If Trump had truly wanted to get a deal done with Ukraine, he...

[konradv]

It all costs money.

The money has already been spent.

 

[Zincwarrior]

What is the US benefit to supporting Ukraine?

Stopping a dictatorship driving into Europe causing us to defend NATO. The same it has always been.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Without manpower Ukraine will continue to lose ground. 50% of their Infrastructure is destroyed already.

Zelensky says the cities are fine.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Unless he doesn't have a choice. If he wants to be welcomed back into polite society, he needs to return to the 2014 borders.

We don't reward aggression.

Or at least we didn't until Neville Trump came along.

Oh right, polite society is on top of his to do list. WTF? Like he’s going to give up everything for a ******* dinner party invite with the EU faggots.

 

[konradv]

What is the US benefit to supporting Ukraine?

Preventing WW3. Dictators don’t stop, if they smell victory.

 

[konradv]

Oh right, polite society is on top of his to do list. WTF? Like he’s going to give up everything for a ******* dinner party invite with the EU faggots.

Better than the Mar-a-Lago bootlickers.

 

[Contumacious]

Preventing WW3. Dictators don’t stop, if they smell victory.

Only the Socialist Demon Rats will claim with a straight face that ******* is good for virginity .

So provoking Russia prevents a nuclear WW3. Aint that some shitsky.

 

[Contumacious]

Stopping a dictatorship driving into Europe causing us to defend NATO. The same it has always been.

*WHY won't Europeans stop the Russians?

 

[konradv]

Only the Socialist Demon Rats will claim with a straight face that ******* is good for virginity .

So provoking Russia prevents a nuclear WW3. Aint that some shitsky.

Did appeasing Hitler prevent WW2?

 

[Contumacious]

Did appeasing Hitler prevent WW2?

Be that as it may , creating standing armies is not the solution to defending our Liberties

As explained by former Supreme Court Justice Story

Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§§ 1890--91

1833

§ 1890.

The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights.

Amendment II: Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§§ 1890--91

press-pubs.uchicago.edu

 

[konradv]

Be that as it may , creating standing armies is not the solution to defending our Liberties

As explained by former Supreme Court Justice Story

Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§§ 1890--91

1833

§ 1890.

The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights.

Amendment II: Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§§ 1890--91

press-pubs.uchicago.edu

Things have changed since 1833. At one time a woman had control over her body.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh right, polite society is on top of his to do list. WTF? Like he’s going to give up everything for a ******* dinner party invite with the EU faggots.

Given that's how trade is done in the world, um, yeah, it's kind of important.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Given that's how trade is done in the world, um, yeah, it's kind of important.

Apparently it’s not. The EU is still buying all the Russian oil and gas they can get. After three years of posting Ukraine flags and all the virtue signaling Putin could shut them down in a day or two by cutting off their supply. Europe is playing stupid games they can’t even win. That’s why they talk shit but are very careful to not commit too hard. The fact is Putin owns their asses.

 

[eagle1462010]

Apparently it’s not. The EU is still buying all the Russian oil and gas they can get. After three years of posting Ukraine flags and all the virtue signaling Putin could shut them down in a day or two by cutting off their supply. Europe is playing stupid games they can’t even win. That’s why they talk shit but are very careful to not commit too hard. The fact is Putin owns their asses.

They are financing Russia while screaming against them.

Bunch of ******* Hipicrites.

 

[JoeB131]

Apparently it’s not. The EU is still buying all the Russian oil and gas they can get. After three years of posting Ukraine flags and all the virtue signaling Putin could shut them down in a day or two by cutting off their supply. Europe is playing stupid games they can’t even win. That’s why they talk shit but are very careful to not commit too hard. The fact is Putin owns their asses.

Oil and gas are international commodities. They could buy more from the ME, and Russia could sell more to China, but it wouldn't make much of a difference.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Oil and gas are international commodities. They could buy more from the ME, and Russia could sell more to China, but it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Sure it does. If you’re talking shit about Putins unacceptable aggression and how you’re all for the poor Ukrainians how about you don’t buy your gas and oil from the guy?

 

[JoeB131]

Sure it does. If you’re talking shit about Putins unacceptable aggression and how you’re all for the poor Ukrainians how about you don’t buy your gas and oil from the guy?

Again, oil and gas are global commodities...

Sorry you don't understand that concept.