If Trump had truly wanted to get a deal done with Ukraine, he...

[Zincwarrior]

He was supposed to sign the deal not be an asshole.

Asking how do you trust Putin is not being an asshole. Putin has broken every cease fire and agreement with Ukraine it has made.

 

[Foxfyre]

...wouldn't have held a presser right before the signing. It was an ambush.

Change my mind. I want to hear both sides explain why or why not.

Personally, it was a childish display from both sides. Zelensky's body language, Vance's demands for thanks. The media questions about Zelensky not wearing a suit. It was all pretty childish.

Was there some hidden tactic behind that farce? You tell me. Because now Zelensky is signaling his willingness to sign the deal.

I posted on other threads on this topic that my gut told me Zelensky was ready to sign the deal he had agreed to but somebody got to him before the Oval Office meeting.

Now turns out my gut was right. Zelensky met with several key Democrats before going to the Oval Office and it is reported they told him to refuse the deal.

Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal

Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn).

nypost.com

Now I think he has thought that over or is being pressured by his own people to rethink that and he may in fact be ready to deal.

The press was there because it was a momentous occasion ending an increasingly deadly and destructive war with no possibility of winning it without massive outside help. That made it appropriate for the press to be there.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Blame Trump? If the arrogant little Ukie prick wanted a deal he would have signed the freaking paper.

There was no deal. This was a setup.

 

[Contumacious]

Putting America FIRST would be supporting Ukraine and not supporting Putin, the war criminal.

HUH?

HOW?

 

[Edgetho]

It's time to investigate where all of these corn pop hundreds of billions went to.

In dimocrap pockets.

Lettuce not forget, there is almost certainly some high-animosity between OMB and Z due to the 2019 Phone Call scandal that scum of the Earth dimocrap FILTH used in that phony-as-fuck impeachment hoax.

Z has to go. That simple

 

[XponentialChaos]

So, to avoid any misunderstanding, do you support giving more money to Ukraine?

If it was up to me, yes. I think it’s a very delicate situation over there and and I think we had been doing a good job of standing up to Russia without getting sucked into another war ourselves.

With that said, I think it’s understandable for the currently administration to want to pull funds out of that conflict because we have been spending a lot on it. But if that’s what the Trump administration wants to do, then just say that.

Criticizing Zelensky for not being thankful enough, calling him a dictator, and making fun of what he wears indicates that the administration is trying to squirm out of supporting Ukraine. It’s a complete diplomatic disaster and our allies are right to criticize us for it. Total embarrassment.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Republicans met with Z as well. Seems like in this case it’s you and your side doing the presumptions and distortions

Ah no shit, the republicans met with Z..............that's just crazy talk.

 

[konradv]

/----/ Proving once again you know nothing about everything.

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Winston Churchill made a striking entrance at the White House during WWII—dressed in full military attire! Discover the bold statement behind his visit and w...

So what was the problem with Zelensky’s military gear?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

So what was the problem with Zelensky’s military gear?

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Not surprising that you couldn't figure that out on your own.




.

 

[konradv]

Not surprising that you couldn't figure that out on your own.

Why can’t Trump wear a tie that fits? I guess it’s his trademark. Is anyone else allowed to have a trademark?

 

[bendog]

Zelensky was prepped by democrats. Now that he knows what they are, he might not listen next time.

I'm willing to consider whether the dems intentionally misled him as to what behavior would send Trump into orbit.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Asking how do you trust Putin is not being an asshole. Putin has broken every cease fire and agreement with Ukraine it has made.

You can’t trust him but you can hopefully contain him. WTF does Zylenski think we’re going to do, attack Russia and get rid of Putin? He needs to get his head out of his ass and realize he’s not getting everything back.

 

[konradv]

You can’t trust him but you can hopefully contain him. WTF does Zylenski think we’re going to do, attack Russia and get rid of Putin? He needs to get his head out of his ass and realize he’s not getting everything back.

Nobody’s asking us to attack Russia. Just send Ukraine what it needs.

 

[justoffal]

Having US workers in Ukraine will do absolutely nothing. Not a single employee will be in Ukraine if fighting were to ever erupt again. There ways both countries can avoid this. Putin also still hasn't agreed to any terms. He still wants Ukraine to demilitarize or there is no deal. So...tell me how exactly would there have been peace?

Before the invasion all that was being asked was a simple agreement not to join NATO.
Now would that definitely have stopped the invasion I don't know.... But it should have been tried. It sure is hell couldn't have hurt to say look we have no intentions of joining NATO at this point.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Nobody’s asking us to attack Russia. Just send Ukraine what it needs.

To do what? Keep a stalemate going for 20 years? Are you ready to send US troops over there? Because Ukraine is out of people to keep fighting.

 

[justoffal]

Having US workers in Ukraine will do absolutely nothing. Not a single employee will be in Ukraine if fighting were to ever erupt again. There ways both countries can avoid this. Putin also still hasn't agreed to any terms. He still wants Ukraine to demilitarize or there is no deal. So...tell me how exactly would there have been peace?

If a large complex of workers were present and to be clear a mining operation of that size would require several thousand people to be on site...... If hostilities broke out and there was any danger to the American citizens there it would be a legitimate reason to land troops with or without the UN Charter agreement.

 

[Contumacious]

What Democrats? Cite?

• Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
• Jacky Rosen (D-NV)
• RINO backstabber Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
• “Danang Dick” (Richard Blumenthal) (D-CT)
• Roger Wicker (R-MS)
• Charles Grassley (R-IA)
• Chris Murphy (D-CT)
• Peter Welch (D-VT)
• Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
• Chris Van Hollen (D-MD)

Zelenskyy meets with bipartisan group of senators ahead of tense White House exchange

A group of bipartisan senators met with Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday ahead of the tense exchange between the Ukrainian leader, Donald Trump and J.D. Vance.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Slade3200]

Z thought he could just come in, get the free grift, fly home, buy another multimillion mansion and laugh. Z can pound dirt.

You really shouldn’t try and translate other people’s thoughts and intensions. Makes you sound like a fool

 

[Slade3200]

Ah no shit, the republicans met with Z..............that's just crazy talk.

Are you trying to make a point with that response? If so you’re doing a piss poor job at it. What are you trying to say?

 

[tyroneweaver]

Actually I think Trump was caught by surprise...

Or he knew perfectly. There's no way trump will have a conversation with z behind closed doors, not ever again after what happened the first time.