If republicans and tea baggers find the constitution so sacred...

[Billo_Really]

Majority rules, really, then why are you lefties bitching that dems received more total votes for the house, yet you remain the minority. This is a representative republic, not a democracy.

They did receive more votes. But because of creative gerrymandering in the red states, we got these psuedo-representatives that only represent 10% of the population of their districts. That's the "only" reason these people got in.

 

[Vox]

VVVVRRROOOOOOOOMMMMMMM
Its a bird, its a plane, Its....TNHarleys point!!

You lost me there.

he is mocking your admiration of majority mob rule

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

...then why can't they accept a law that was ruled as constitutional?

For Christ's sakes, just because you don't support a law like ObamaCare, it does not mean it is justified to hold our country hostage over it. It is Ted Cruz and his band of douche tea baggers who own this shut down. Say what you want about Obama in general, but it is completely justified for him not to negotiate over this. Why should he? This is extortion of the worst kind.

What's even worst about this is that it doesn't even represent the views of the people. While it is true that ObamaCare is unpopular nationwide (with a populace that knows very little about it anyway), polls show that most Americans do not want this shut down, EVEN WITH OBAMACARE AT STAKE.

Did you know that among the Americans who oppose ObamaCare, 14% want a single payer system as a replacement?

If republicans and tea baggers find the constitution so sacred...

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...then why can't they accept a law that was ruled as constitutional?

Exactly!

Dred Scott v. Sandford was decided by the Supreme Court.
Why would Republicans refuse to accept that decision?

 

[Billo_Really]

he is mocking your admiration of majority mob rule

I wasn't admiring it. I was just stating a fact.

And the majority is not a mob. It's just the majority. But it does rule.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

...then why can't they accept a law that was ruled as constitutional?

For Christ's sakes, just because you don't support a law like ObamaCare, it does not mean it is justified to hold our country hostage over it. It is Ted Cruz and his band of douche tea baggers who own this shut down. Say what you want about Obama in general, but it is completely justified for him not to negotiate over this. Why should he? This is extortion of the worst kind.

What's even worst about this is that it doesn't even represent the views of the people. While it is true that ObamaCare is unpopular nationwide (with a populace that knows very little about it anyway), polls show that most Americans do not want this shut down, EVEN WITH OBAMACARE AT STAKE.

Did you know that among the Americans who oppose ObamaCare, 14% want a single payer system as a replacement?

But when the majority in the House is once again Democrats and the radical portion of the Democrats shut the government down because they want universal gun background checks, they Repubs will cry like babies and ***** and claim they NEVER used the exact same tactic. Even though the Dems learned it from the Repubs.

We all, even the ignorant Teabaggers, need to hope and pray that Obama does not negotiate with the funding of government and the debt ceiling as pawns. We will be fucked forever if that happens.

Yeah, if we cut spending, by the tiniest amount, we'll be fucked forever.

 

[Vox]

he is mocking your admiration of majority mob rule

I wasn't admiring it. I was just stating a fact.

And the majority is not a mob. It's just the majority. But it does rule.

no it does not. not by our Constitution, which was designed exactly to prevent this.

the mob can be a majority, or you don't believe it?

 

[Billo_Really]

no it does not. not by our Constitution, which was designed exactly to prevent this.

What part of the Constitution states the minority wins when they are done counting votes?

the mob can be a majority, or you don't believe it?

I guess it depends on the context of "the mob".

The majority of American's, is not a mob.

 

[Trajan]

...then why can't they accept a law that was ruled as constitutional?

For Christ's sakes, just because you don't support a law like ObamaCare, it does not mean it is justified to hold our country hostage over it. It is Ted Cruz and his band of douche tea baggers who own this shut down. Say what you want about Obama in general, but it is completely justified for him not to negotiate over this. Why should he? This is extortion of the worst kind.

What's even worst about this is that it doesn't even represent the views of the people. While it is true that ObamaCare is unpopular nationwide (with a populace that knows very little about it anyway), polls show that most Americans do not want this shut down, EVEN WITH OBAMACARE AT STAKE.

Did you know that among the Americans who oppose ObamaCare, 14% want a single payer system as a replacement?

newsflash- they are not asking for the repeal or defunding of obamcare, they want the grassley amendment enforced in full and the individual mandate suspended, so obamacare is 'not at stake'.

And if the populace knows little about obamcare after obama supposedly campaigned on it, well, whose fault is that? Maybe they do know and , they don't like it?

 

[OKTexas]

Majority rules, really, then why are you lefties bitching that dems received more total votes for the house, yet you remain the minority. This is a representative republic, not a democracy.

They did receive more votes. But because of creative gerrymandering in the red states, we got these psuedo-representatives that only represent 10% of the population of their districts. That's the "only" reason these people got in.

You really are clueless aren't you, if there are all the lefties out there why are most state houses ran by republicans, you folks may control some of the more populous states but not the majority of the states.

 

[Billy000]

...then why can't they accept a law that was ruled as constitutional?

For Christ's sakes, just because you don't support a law like ObamaCare, it does not mean it is justified to hold our country hostage over it. It is Ted Cruz and his band of douche tea baggers who own this shut down. Say what you want about Obama in general, but it is completely justified for him not to negotiate over this. Why should he? This is extortion of the worst kind.

What's even worst about this is that it doesn't even represent the views of the people. While it is true that ObamaCare is unpopular nationwide (with a populace that knows very little about it anyway), polls show that most Americans do not want this shut down, EVEN WITH OBAMACARE AT STAKE.

Did you know that among the Americans who oppose ObamaCare, 14% want a single payer system as a replacement?

newsflash- they are not asking for the repeal or defunding of obamcare, they want the grassley amendment enforced in full and the individual mandate suspended, so obamacare is 'not at stake'.

And if the populace knows little about obamcare after obama supposedly campaigned on it, well, whose fault is that? Maybe they do know and , they don't like it?

Um yeah those are the NEW conditions because those whiney children you call republicans are making concessions because they aren't getting their way.

Yeah i think Obama has done a terrible job explaining it. I agree with that.

 

[Vox]

no it does not. not by our Constitution, which was designed exactly to prevent this.

What part of the Constitution states the minority wins when they are done counting votes?

the mob can be a majority, or you don't believe it?

I guess it depends on the context of "the mob".

The majority of American's, is not a mob.

can easily be a mob.

read the Constitution. we are not a democracy, but a Republic. therefor the majority mob does not rule.

 

[Billo_Really]

You really are clueless aren't you, if there are all the lefties out there why are most state houses ran by republicans, you folks may control some of the more populous states but not the majority of the states.

That has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[Billo_Really]

can easily be a mob.

read the Constitution. we are not a democracy, but a Republic. therefor the majority mob does not rule.

Are you on crack?

All a republic means, is that you have elected representatives. Those representatives get elected with a majority vote. Bills become laws, with a majority vote. Fillibusters were created, to stop the majority from voting.

You are fuckin' nuts!

 

[Vox]

can easily be a mob.

read the Constitution. we are not a democracy, but a Republic. therefor the majority mob does not rule.

Are you on crack?

All a republic means, is that you have elected representatives. Those representatives get elected with a majority vote. Bills become laws, with a majority vote. Fillibusters were created, to stop the majority from voting.

You are fuckin' nuts!

it is you who are nuts.

or you do not understand what representative Republic means? that's what I thought.

 

[Trajan]

...then why can't they accept a law that was ruled as constitutional?

For Christ's sakes, just because you don't support a law like ObamaCare, it does not mean it is justified to hold our country hostage over it. It is Ted Cruz and his band of douche tea baggers who own this shut down. Say what you want about Obama in general, but it is completely justified for him not to negotiate over this. Why should he? This is extortion of the worst kind.

What's even worst about this is that it doesn't even represent the views of the people. While it is true that ObamaCare is unpopular nationwide (with a populace that knows very little about it anyway), polls show that most Americans do not want this shut down, EVEN WITH OBAMACARE AT STAKE.

Did you know that among the Americans who oppose ObamaCare, 14% want a single payer system as a replacement?

newsflash- they are not asking for the repeal or defunding of obamcare, they want the grassley amendment enforced in full and the individual mandate suspended, so obamacare is 'not at stake'.

And if the populace knows little about obamcare after obama supposedly campaigned on it, well, whose fault is that? Maybe they do know and , they don't like it?

Um yeah those are the NEW conditions because those whiney children you call republicans are making concessions because they aren't getting their way.

Yeah i think Obama has done a terrible job explaining it. I agree with that.

yes they did make a concession, they pulled the defund the ACA codicil they tried first.....so, read that again, they backed off and made it about exactly what it should be, so, let me ask you- when does obama back off or make a concession?

 

[Billy000]

newsflash- they are not asking for the repeal or defunding of obamcare, they want the grassley amendment enforced in full and the individual mandate suspended, so obamacare is 'not at stake'.

And if the populace knows little about obamcare after obama supposedly campaigned on it, well, whose fault is that? Maybe they do know and , they don't like it?

Um yeah those are the NEW conditions because those whiney children you call republicans are making concessions because they aren't getting their way.

Yeah i think Obama has done a terrible job explaining it. I agree with that.

yes they did make a concession, they pulled the defund the ACA codicil they tried first.....so, read that again, they backed off and made it about exactly what it should be, so, let me ask you- when does obama back off or make a concession?

Yeah they did make concessions. Are we supposed to pat them on the back for that?

Explain to me with some intelligence why Obama has an ethical obligation to concede. Go ahead. I would love to hear it.

 

[EriktheRed]

no it does not. not by our Constitution, which was designed exactly to prevent this.

What part of the Constitution states the minority wins when they are done counting votes?

the mob can be a majority, or you don't believe it?

I guess it depends on the context of "the mob".

The majority of American's, is not a mob.

can easily be a mob.

read the Constitution. we are not a democracy, but a Republic. therefor the majority mob does not rule.

That doesn't mean the minority gets to dictate things, either.

 

[EriktheRed]

newsflash- they are not asking for the repeal or defunding of obamcare, they want the grassley amendment enforced in full and the individual mandate suspended, so obamacare is 'not at stake'.

And if the populace knows little about obamcare after obama supposedly campaigned on it, well, whose fault is that? Maybe they do know and , they don't like it?

Um yeah those are the NEW conditions because those whiney children you call republicans are making concessions because they aren't getting their way.

Yeah i think Obama has done a terrible job explaining it. I agree with that.

yes they did make a concession, they pulled the defund the ACA codicil they tried first.....so, read that again, they backed off and made it about exactly what it should be, so, let me ask you- when does obama back off or make a concession?

To borrow from someone else form another thread:

 

[asterism]

Majority rules, really, then why are you lefties bitching that dems received more total votes for the house, yet you remain the minority. This is a representative republic, not a democracy.

They did receive more votes. But because of creative gerrymandering in the red states, we got these psuedo-representatives that only represent 10% of the population of their districts. That's the "only" reason these people got in.

Show me a district like that.

10%?

 

[asterism]

Um yeah those are the NEW conditions because those whiney children you call republicans are making concessions because they aren't getting their way.

Yeah i think Obama has done a terrible job explaining it. I agree with that.

yes they did make a concession, they pulled the defund the ACA codicil they tried first.....so, read that again, they backed off and made it about exactly what it should be, so, let me ask you- when does obama back off or make a concession?

To borrow from someone else form another thread:

Delaying the individual mandate is the same as burning down a house?


See that's the problems with "all or nothing" progressives. They actually think that giving an inch is the same as burning down a house. That's why your side let the government shut down instead of passing the budget and negotiating on the delays.

It's very transparent.