If republicans and tea baggers find the constitution so sacred...

[blackhawk]

No one is denying the law was ruled constitutional just because a law is ruled constitutional does not mean you can not challenge it or try and overturn it otherwise prohibition would still be the law of the land.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If republicans and tea baggers find the constitution so sacred then why can't they accept a law that was ruled as constitutional?

Because they don’t respect its case law, which is a failure to respect the Constitution – as the Constitution exists only in the context of its case law.

 

[Vox]

No one is denying the law was ruled constitutional just because a law is ruled constitutional does not mean you can not challenge it or try and overturn it otherwise prohibition would still be the law of the land.

the law was not ruled constitutional as that was not the question in front of the SCOTUS.

the individual mandate was ruled constitutional.

which does not change it from being fascist ( or any other totalitarian regime variety )

 

[jon_berzerk]

No one is denying the law was ruled constitutional just because a law is ruled constitutional does not mean you can not challenge it or try and overturn it otherwise prohibition would still be the law of the land.

the law was not ruled constitutional as that was not the question in front of the SCOTUS.

the individual mandate was ruled constitutional.

which does not change it from being fascist ( or any other totalitarian regime variety )

constitutional only as a tax

making it an appropriate topic in the cr bill

 

[Nyvin]

1. maobamacare originated in the senate and had revenue raising powers, all bills raising revenues must originate in the house.

This is false. The Senate made modification to H.R. 3590 and rewrote it as the ACA

No one is denying the law was ruled constitutional just because a law is ruled constitutional does not mean you can not challenge it or try and overturn it otherwise prohibition would still be the law of the land.

the law was not ruled constitutional as that was not the question in front of the SCOTUS.

the individual mandate was ruled constitutional.

which does not change it from being fascist ( or any other totalitarian regime variety )

No, it really was the entire bill actually. The only part deemed unconstitutional was the expansion of medicaid in states, which the SCOTUS said the federal government couldn't force...just encourage.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If republicans and tea baggers find the constitution so sacred then why can't they accept a law that was ruled as constitutional?

Because they are ignorant and inconsistent; they contrive a childish fantasy ‘understanding’ of what they want to Constitution to mean and then pick the case law they like, such as Heller or Citizens United, for purely subjective, partisan reasons, and ignore the case law they don’t like – again, for purely subjective, partisan reasons, not as a consequence of having any actual understanding of the meaning of the Constitution.

 

[blackhawk]

Has anyone else noticed when the left can't argue their case they go right to the name calling from Harry Reid on the Senate floor to some of the posters on this board.

 

[R.C. Christian]

We don't believe the SCOTUS opinion. We, the terrorists, will do whatever we can stop this monstrosity. It's about time the GOP grew some balls and started representing it's constituency, the terrorists!

 

[The T]

...then why can't they accept a law that was ruled as constitutional?

For Christ's sakes, just because you don't support a law like ObamaCare, it does not mean it is justified to hold our country hostage over it. It is Ted Cruz and his band of douche tea baggers who own this shut down. Say what you want about Obama in general, but it is completely justified for him not to negotiate over this. Why should he? This is extortion of the worst kind.

What's even worst about this is that it doesn't even represent the views of the people. While it is true that ObamaCare is unpopular nationwide (with a populace that knows very little about it anyway), polls show that most Americans do not want this shut down, EVEN WITH OBAMACARE AT STAKE.

Did you know that among the Americans who oppose ObamaCare, 14% want a single payer system as a replacement?

Slavery was LAW too...as was segregation...and other maladies of society...

Do YOU suggest WE bring those back?

YOU sir, are an idiot. LAWS are not written in stone and are prone to be challenged, corrected, and even repealed.

*MORON*

 

[OKTexas]

1. maobamacare originated in the senate and had revenue raising powers, all bills raising revenues must originate in the house.

This is false. The Senate made modification to H.R. 3590 and rewrote it as the ACA

No one is denying the law was ruled constitutional just because a law is ruled constitutional does not mean you can not challenge it or try and overturn it otherwise prohibition would still be the law of the land.

the law was not ruled constitutional as that was not the question in front of the SCOTUS.

the individual mandate was ruled constitutional.

which does not change it from being fascist ( or any other totalitarian regime variety )

No, it really was the entire bill actually. The only part deemed unconstitutional was the expansion of medicaid in states, which the SCOTUS said the federal government couldn't force...just encourage.

HR 3590 originally titled: Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009 was passed by the house, the senate stripped the entire contents of the bill, changed the name and inserted maobamacare. The content of the bill did not originate in the house, therefore the bill raising revenues did not originate in the house. Any questions?

Edit: The penalty for the individual was also found unconstitutional, that's when Roberts decided to resurrect it as a tax.

 

[TNHarley]

Did Billy000 get humiliated and run from his OWN thread?

 

[Vox]

1. maobamacare originated in the senate and had revenue raising powers, all bills raising revenues must originate in the house.

This is false. The Senate made modification to H.R. 3590 and rewrote it as the ACA

No one is denying the law was ruled constitutional just because a law is ruled constitutional does not mean you can not challenge it or try and overturn it otherwise prohibition would still be the law of the land.

the law was not ruled constitutional as that was not the question in front of the SCOTUS.

the individual mandate was ruled constitutional.

which does not change it from being fascist ( or any other totalitarian regime variety )

No, it really was the entire bill actually. The only part deemed unconstitutional was the expansion of medicaid in states, which the SCOTUS said the federal government couldn't force...just encourage.

no it was NOT. learn the basics first.

 

[OKTexas]

If republicans and tea baggers find the constitution so sacred then why can't they accept a law that was ruled as constitutional?

Because they don’t respect its case law, which is a failure to respect the Constitution – as the Constitution exists only in the context of its case law.

Yep, that's what every brainwashed lawyer will tell ya.

 

[Billy000]

Vox is far more fascistic than Obama. Merriam-Webster defines it as "fas·cism noun \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\ " as ": a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government."

Vox would not allow any dissent.

Vox has issues with people of color and minorities and immigrants and Jews.

...then why can't they accept a law that was ruled as constitutional?

For Christ's sakes, just because you don't support a law like ObamaCare, it does not mean it is justified to hold our country hostage over it. It is Ted Cruz and his band of douche tea baggers who own this shut down. Say what you want about Obama in general, but it is completely justified for him not to negotiate over this. Why should he? This is extortion of the worst kind.

What's even worst about this is that it doesn't even represent the views of the people. While it is true that ObamaCare is unpopular nationwide (with a populace that knows very little about it anyway), polls show that most Americans do not want this shut down, EVEN WITH OBAMACARE AT STAKE.

Did you know that among the Americans who oppose ObamaCare, 14% want a single payer system as a replacement?

Slavery was LAW too...as was segregation...and other maladies of society...

Do YOU suggest WE bring those back?

YOU sir, are an idiot. LAWS are not written in stone and are prone to be challenged, corrected, and even repealed.

*MORON*

Well if that's the case, you aren't one of the hypocrites I am addressing, are you? They trust the consititution 100%.

 

[Billo_Really]

its OK. you remain like most of society

If he "remains like most of society", that puts him in the majority.

If you are not "like most of society", that puts you in the minority. And in this country, the majority rules.

That ain't fascism, that's democracy.

 

[Nyvin]

HR 3590 originally titled: Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009 was passed by the house, the senate stripped the entire contents of the bill, changed the name and inserted maobamacare. The content of the bill did not originate in the house, therefore the bill raising revenues did not originate in the house. Any questions?

Edit: The penalty for the individual was also found unconstitutional, that's when Roberts decided to resurrect it as a tax.

The bill originated in the House. It was a cheese move...but it was legal.

 

[OKTexas]

its OK. you remain like most of society

If he "remains like most of society", that puts him in the majority.

If you are not "like most of society", that puts you in the minority. And in this country, the majority rules.

That ain't fascism, that's democracy.

Majority rules, really, then why are you lefties bitching that dems received more total votes for the house, yet you remain the minority. This is a representative republic, not a democracy.

 

[TNHarley]

its OK. you remain like most of society

If he "remains like most of society", that puts him in the majority.

If you are not "like most of society", that puts you in the minority. And in this country, the majority rules.

That ain't fascism, that's democracy.

VVVVRRROOOOOOOOMMMMMMM
Its a bird, its a plane, Its....TNHarleys point!!

 

[OKTexas]

HR 3590 originally titled: Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009 was passed by the house, the senate stripped the entire contents of the bill, changed the name and inserted maobamacare. The content of the bill did not originate in the house, therefore the bill raising revenues did not originate in the house. Any questions?

Edit: The penalty for the individual was also found unconstitutional, that's when Roberts decided to resurrect it as a tax.

The bill originated in the House. It was a cheese move...but it was legal.

No, the bill number only originated in the house, the bill contents originated in the senate and there is currently a court case in progress challenging that very fact.

 

[Billo_Really]

VVVVRRROOOOOOOOMMMMMMM
Its a bird, its a plane, Its....TNHarleys point!!

You lost me there.