Zone1 If "Judeo-Christian" Is Actually TWO Distinct Religions..........

[Hafar1014]

provide that as proof in any manner left by jesus of such a claim ...

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proof be known jesus would rather die than worship the false god of abraham - judaism.

He wasnt a Christian thats damn sure

 

[BreezeWood]

None of us are equal we are all individuals

none are greater than another - monotheism. all in the heavens have triumphed over evil, the means for admission all are pure in spirit.

 

[BreezeWood]

He wasnt a Christian thats damn sure

those were the romans - jesus was not allowed time for their consideration and would have been most enlightening. they, christians then would probably have done as well themselves what the jews had them do beforehand.

 

[Hafar1014]

those were the romans - jesus was not allowed time for their consideration and would have been most enlightening. they, christians then would probably have done as well themselves what the jews had them do beforehand.

Jesus was a Jew his moral values were Jewish so those who define him as God are not Jewish. Sure that makes sense.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Why would I close my eyes? Prayer is part of my life, which can mean when I am right in the middle of something. What I find seems to be a major difference between non-Catholic Christians and Catholics is that many Protestants seem to have the position of, "It's just me and Jesus Christ, alone, by ourselves. No one/nothing else intrudes."

Catholicism taught me that I am part of something much greater, that I am a tiny part of a much greater plan, and God's love cover billions, both the living and those who have passed on. I am a tiny stitch in a magnificent tapestry. Naturally, this tiny stitch does make/take time alone with God, too. Usually, I am walking. I remember once, in the desert...but never mind.

For me--and many Catholics--prayer is much greater than closing one's eyes and saying The Lord's Prayer with just Jesus and me in attendance.

Nevertheless, Jesus told us how and what to pray. He prayed the prayer as an individual -- not in unison with anyone else. So my acceptance of His example is in line with Scripture.

Matthew 6:1-7, "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."

I'm not too sure Jesus could have made it more clear. We may think to ourselves that we can improve on His method or that He just didn't know what He was talking about but that's likely not a wise approach. (And note that Christ isn't interested in "vain repetitions").

 

[Hafar1014]

Nevertheless, Jesus told us how and what to pray. He prayed the prayer as an individual -- not in unison with anyone else. So my acceptance of His example is in line with Scripture.

Matthew 6:1-7, "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."

I'm not too sure Jesus could have made it more clear. We may think to ourselves that we can improve on His method or that He just didn't know what He was talking about but that's likely not a wise approach. (And note that Christ isn't interested in "vain repetitions").

Jesus never existed someone said what they claim he said. He never said anything

 

[SaxonJackson]

Jesus never existed someone said what they claim he said. He never said anything

Says some random nutjob on the internet.

According to the "Jewish" historian, Josephus, Jesus Christ DID exist. Are you saying that Josephus is a liar? You'd be an antisemite if you trash his testimony.

The Earliest Non-Christian Testimony to Jesus (Josephus) Turns Out to Be Genuine

Most of you have probably heard of Josephus. An enormous amount of what we know about the history and culture of the Jewish people in and around the time of Jesus comes from Josephus. But Josephus only wrote one paragraph about Jesus. That paragraph is famous. It is so...

www.biola.edu

 

[SaxonJackson]

provide that as proof in any manner left by jesus of such a claim ...

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proof be known jesus would rather die than worship the false god of abraham - judaism.

There are lots of lamebrains who believe that the biblical Tribe of Judah is the same as the modern Ashkenazi Khazars running occupied Palestine.

 

[Meriweather]

I have no need of an idol

Sure. Label Jesus something he is not, and then believe this will make him something where he can be happily ignored right out of existence. You do that with Jesus and you do that with what Christians note the first act of disobedience towards God.

I sure wish I could label my most troublesome student (s/he changes day-to-day) as a grain of sand on a far away beach and have him/her disappear from the classroom. However, at the end of each day, I am happier with the reality. But that's me.

 

[Meriweather]

Nevertheless, Jesus told us how and what to pray. He prayed the prayer as an individual -- not in unison with anyone else. So my acceptance of His example is in line with Scripture.

Matthew 6:1-7, "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."

I'm not too sure Jesus could have made it more clear. We may think to ourselves that we can improve on His method or that He just didn't know what He was talking about but that's likely not a wise approach. (And note that Christ isn't interested in "vain repetitions").

Keep reaching Matthew. It should eventually catch you up to Catholics.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Keep reaching Matthew. It should eventually catch you up to Catholics.

Most of your replies have been nebulous and a bit off topic. Either you agree with what Christ says or you don't. Just answer with a direct: "Christ is 100% correct" or "Christ just doesn't know what He's talking about."

 

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Most of your replies have been nebulous and a bit off topic. Either you agree with what Christ says or you don't. Just answer with a direct: "Christ is 100% correct" or "Christ just doesn't know what He's talking about."

In my opinion, she is the most knowledgeable and credible poster on scripture in this forum. I have never found her replies to be nebulous or off topic. Her study and research of scripture are extensive.

 

[SaxonJackson]

In my opinion, she is the most knowledgeable and credible poster on scripture in this forum. I have never found her replies to be nebulous or off topic. Her study and research of scripture are extensive.

Yet she avoided addressing a direct passage of SCRIPTURE that I posted that literally negates her particular stance on how Christ taught us to pray. Until she does that ... her response remains nebulous and off topic.

 

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Yet she avoided addressing a direct passage of SCRIPTURE that I posted that literally negates her particular stance on how Christ taught us to pray. Until she does that ... her response remains nebulous and off topic.

And what is it that you think that verse is telling us about how to pray?

 

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Matthew 6:1-7 teaches that prayer should be sincere, private, and focused on God's will, it should be a genuine conversation with God, who already knows our needs.

 

[SaxonJackson]

And what is it that you think that verse is telling us about how to pray?

Did you read the very clear instruction? The passage speaks for itself. Go back and read it again.

 

[Hafar1014]

Sure. Label Jesus something he is not, and then believe this will make him something where he can be happily ignored right out of existence. You do that with Jesus and you do that with what Christians note the first act of disobedience towards God.

I sure wish I could label my most troublesome student (s/he changes day-to-day) as a grain of sand on a far away beach and have him/her disappear from the classroom. However, at the end of each day, I am happier with the reality. But that's me.

When you give god a name and personality you have created an idol. Jesus has never been part of my life

 

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Did you read the very clear instruction? The passage speaks for itself. Go back and read it again.

I'm asking you. I've already said what I believe it says in post #215.

What do you say it is telling us?

 

[SaxonJackson]

I'm asking you. I've already said what I believe it says in post #215.

What do you say it is telling us?

It's telling us EXACTLY what the Scripture says. There's no special "interpretation." It's direct and clear cut. A Kindergartner could tell you that we're not to make a scene while praying and that we need to pray with discretion and humility.

 

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It's telling us EXACTLY what the Scripture says. There's no special "interpretation." It's direct and clear cut. A Kindergartner could tell you that we're not to make a scene while praying and that we need to pray with discretion and humility.

Yes, it is clear that it teaches that prayer should be sincere, private, and focused on God's will, it should be a genuine conversation with God, who already knows our needs.

Was there some other point you were trying to make?