Zone1 If "Judeo-Christian" Is Actually TWO Distinct Religions..........

[PoliticalChic]

I cannot help what you think you saw, or all you misinterpreted. I am Catholic. I practice Catholicism. We worship God, no one else--certainly not artwork. If and when you are ever up to it, I can put you in touch with The Catechism of the Catholic Church in a Year podcast.

As Archbishop Fulton Sheen famously noted, "There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church—which is, of course, quite a different thing".

Are you one of the hundred, or one of the millions?

Large church down the block has a statue of a crucified Jesus just outside. There is a kneeling pew in front. I have sseen folks on bended knees praying to it.

Admit what is clear and evident.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I cannot help what you think you saw, or all you misinterpreted. I am Catholic. I practice Catholicism. We worship God, no one else--certainly not artwork. If and when you are ever up to it, I can put you in touch with The Catechism of the Catholic Church in a Year podcast.

As Archbishop Fulton Sheen famously noted, "There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church—which is, of course, quite a different thing".

Are you one of the hundred, or one of the millions?

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Bishop Sheen was amazing. I wish they'd step up his cause for canonization.

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Admit what is clear and evident.

That you are seeking conflict over the form of religion? Ok. I can admit that.

 

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There is a kneeling pew in front. I have sseen folks on bended knees praying to it.

How do you know what they were praying?

 

[BreezeWood]

How do you know what they were praying?

doesn't matter ...

praying itself denigrates the self worth as is the christian custom than as jesus the 1st century events taught liberation theology, self determination as the means to free one's spirit for judgement and admission to the everlasting.

 

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doesn't matter ...

praying itself denigrates the self worth as is the christian custom than as jesus the 1st century events taught liberation theology, self determination as the means to free one's spirit for judgement and admission to the everlasting.

No one cares what you think. You speak gibberish and you refuse to clarify your gibberish.

 

[Meriweather]

Nevertheless, Jesus told us how and what to pray. He prayed the prayer as an individual -- not in unison with anyone else. So my acceptance of His example is in line with Scripture.

Matthew 6:1-7, "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."

I'm not too sure Jesus could have made it more clear. We may think to ourselves that we can improve on His method or that He just didn't know what He was talking about but that's likely not a wise approach. (And note that Christ isn't interested in "vain repetitions").

Most of your replies have been nebulous and a bit off topic. Either you agree with what Christ says or you don't. Just answer with a direct: "Christ is 100% correct" or "Christ just doesn't know what He's talking about."

Yet she avoided addressing a direct passage of SCRIPTURE that I posted that literally negates her particular stance on how Christ taught us to pray. Until she does that ... her response remains nebulous and off topic.

The Bible contains over 35,000 verses; nearly 8,000 in the New Testament. Therefore, it is puzzling and bemusing when a person expects everyone to focus on one single passage or verse which means ignoring hundreds, even thousands, of other passages/verses. Should the Bible be taken piecemeal?

Did you keep reading (not reaching) Matthew after Chapter 6? Did you absorb that Jesus was addressing the matter of people who were praying to call attention to themselves and not to God? Do you have excoriating words for the early Christians in Acts who joined together in prayer? Even worse, what about those disciples who, when thrown in prison, prayed and sang to God within the hearing of all the other prisoners? How about the teaching that every member of the Body of Christ is united with each other through the Holy Spirit?

Do you ever go to a mountain top to look at a single rock? That is my analogy of a difference between Catholic, and non-Catholic Christians when it comes to scripture. Protestants are up on the mountain top carefully studying a single rock. Meanwhile, Catholics are taking in the entire vista.

 

[Meriweather]

When you give god a name and personality you have created an idol. Jesus has never been part of my life

Creator. Love. Justice. Mercy. Bringing good into existence. Protector.

These are a few words, commonly used to describe God. These are also names humans give their babies. These words are also adjectives/verbs used to describe personalities.

Jesus' name is from the Hebrew for save or salvation. It not only describes his personality, but who he is.

I get that Jesus has never been part of your life. That does not mean Jesus never existed, nor decrease the reality he has been a part of many lives. Just not yours.

 

[Meriweather]

Large church down the block has a statue of a crucified Jesus just outside. There is a kneeling pew in front. I have sseen folks on bended knees praying to it.

Admit what is clear and evident.

What is clear and evident is that it is place of prayer, for prayer. It is evident that the Church/people/person ('u.r.' the Church) worships God in the name of Jesus. It signifies a people who believe Jesus died to save us from our sins and bring salvation to the world.

That is clear and evident to Catholics. What is clear and evident to you? Remember what I posted yesterday:

 

[BreezeWood]

Protestants are up on the mountain top carefully studying a single rock. Meanwhile, Catholics are taking in the entire vista.

the practices are done by either and visa versa ... if it is criticism of bible study surly that is worthy of consideration.

provide the heavenly claims of the so called prophets to have communicated w/ the heavens their proof as there is no verification for any found written in the desert bibles and as who and why they included them in those books.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That you are seeking conflict over the form of religion? Ok. I can admit that.

I simply do what you are unable to do: state the truth.

Life isn't fair. Expect to make sacrifices.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is clear and evident is that it is place of prayer, for prayer. It is evident that the Church/people/person ('u.r.' the Church) worships God in the name of Jesus. It signifies a people who believe Jesus died to save us from our sins and bring salvation to the world.

That is clear and evident to Catholics. What is clear and evident to you? Remember what I posted yesterday:

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that it is place of prayer, for prayer.

Clear and evident.

 

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I simply do what you are unable to do: state the truth.

Life isn't fair. Expect to make sacrifices.

I love the truth. The truth is free of bias. You are full of bias.

Everyone makes sacrifices. There's no avoiding it. The trick is feeling joy instead of pain when making them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I love the truth. The truth is free of bias. You are full of bias.

Everyone makes sacrifices. There's no avoiding it. The trick is feeling joy instead of pain when making them.

More nuanced.........


AI Overview

No, Catholics don't pray
to statues; they use them as visual aids to focus prayer through them to the saint or Jesus depicted, asking for the saint's intercession with God, similar to asking a living friend to pray for you, while reserving worship (adoration) solely for God. Statues are honored (venerated) as reminders of holy individuals, not worshipped as deities, acting as symbolic reminders like a photo of a loved one.
Key Distinctions:

• Worship (Adoration): Reserved only for God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

 

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More nuanced.........


AI Overview

No, Catholics don't pray
to statues; they use them as visual aids to focus prayer through them to the saint or Jesus depicted, asking for the saint's intercession with God, similar to asking a living friend to pray for you, while reserving worship (adoration) solely for God. Statues are honored (venerated) as reminders of holy individuals, not worshipped as deities, acting as symbolic reminders like a photo of a loved one.
Key Distinctions:

• Worship (Adoration): Reserved only for God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

I believe the whole don't worship other idols thing has two components. The ancient one, which is based on the thousands of years of transitioning from polytheism to monotheism which wasn't formally completed until after the times of Exodus. And the modern one, where we worship created things instead of the creator. I think the whole statue thing and how Catholics pray thing is just rival religions doing what rival religions do. Rather than worrying what other religious adherents do, their time would be better spent communing with the Holy Spirit. If everyone would just work on their relationship with God, their relationships with everyone else and their lives would be better.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I believe the whole don't worship other idols thing has two components. The ancient one, which is based on the thousands of years of transitioning from polytheism to monotheism which wasn't formally completed until after the times of Exodus. And the modern one, where we worship created things instead of the creator. I think the whole statue thing and how Catholics pray thing is just rival religions doing what rival religions do. Rather than worrying what other religious adherents do, their time would be better spent communing with the Holy Spirit. If everyone would just work on their relationship with God, their relationships with everyone else and their lives would be better.

My post was not in any way meant to damage catholicism.


The thread is, in reality, a discussion of anti-Semitism.

Lots have, as you did, state that Judaism and Christainity are two distinct religions, notwithstanding the numerous consistencies, and the actual testimony of Jesus Christ.

Yet I can and have named numerous serious and fundamental differences between Cathoicism and Protestanism and yet no claim that they are two distinct and separate religions.

There is only one explanation .

 

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My post was not in any way meant to damage catholicism.


The thread is, in reality, a discussion of anti-Semitism.

Lots have, as you did, state that Judaism and Christainity are two distinct religions, notwithstanding the numerous consistencies, and the actual testimony of Jesus Christ.

Yet I can and have named numerous serious and fundamental differences between Cathoicism and Protestanism and yet no claim that they are two distinct and separate religions.

There is only one explanation .

I understand. I would say Catholicism and Protestantism are not distinct because of their shared belief in the Trinity. What do you believe the one and only explanation is?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I understand. I would say Catholicism and Protestantism are not distinct because of their shared belief in the Trinity. What do you believe the one and only explanation is,

I believe that there is one religion, the judeo-Christian Religion. with three branches.

 

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I believe that there is one religion, the judeo-Christian Religion. with three branches.

I do too. The three main branches of Christianity are Catholicism, Protestantism, and Eastern Orthodoxy. I consider Judaism to be a separate religion that Christianity branched from.

 

[Quantrill]

I believe that there is one religion, the judeo-Christian Religion. with three branches.

The Judeo-Christian term is really a political term. It recognizes that the Christian faith is born out of the same Bible that the Jews use. Which in turn causes politicians to use it to promote peace amidst any antisemitism.

There are serious differences between the Roman and Protestant Church. But both recognize the Person of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.

There is no problem with the Christians concerning the Old Testament. Except with Protestants contention of Roman acceptance of some apocryphal books. The point being, there is one faith as far as the Bible is concerned. But Judaism is not a branch of that faith as it rejects Jesus Christ.

As I have said before, Jesus has no problem with the Old Testament. It is Judaism that has perverted the Old Testament and rejected it's Messiah.

Thus I don't see how Judaism can be included as a branch of the true faith. The Person of Jesus Christ is the key.

My opinion.

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