Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[rosends]

Great then can you summarize what a standard is and why standards exist.

A standard is a rule or expectation that applies in a given case. This allows anyone to measure the success or failure of something being held to that standard. Different standards apply in different situations.

 

[Picaro]

The law of Moses was a lower law that was given to the Israelites by Jesus, who is the Great I AM or Jehovah. When Jesus came to earth for his ministry he did not do away with the law of Moses but fulfilled the law of Moses which was his own law.

Matthew 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

In fact, read the entire sermon on the mount to see how Jesus does not destroy the law of Moses but fulfills it.

Yep. He was a reformer who rejected the fake Oral Torah and the inane legalisms imposed by the likes of the Sadducees and many Pharisees. He was a threat to their cushy lifestyles and wealth.

 

[rosends]

That's not what rosends said which is what started this conversation in the first place.

See?




So who is right? You? Or rosends.

Way to muddy the water.
Leviticus applies to the Jews. The law against sexual immorality for non Jews is derived in Genesis.

 

[ding]

God's laws apply to the groups to whom the laws were given. I am not bound by laws for women or priests or farmers. I am bound by the laws for me. The same is true of every group.

That's called dogma at best and moral relativity at worst. I for one do not accept that God has different standards for different people. That would be illogical. Truth is discovered. Truth is the same for all people. What is morally true for one is morally true for another. Customs are different. Different groups can have different customs.

 

[ding]

Way to muddy the water.
Leviticus applies to the Jews. The law against sexual immorality for non Jews is derived in Genesis.

The only one muddying waters is you, brother. Moral laws are the same for everyone.

 

[ding]

A standard is a rule or expectation that applies in a given case. This allows anyone to measure the success or failure of something being held to that standard. Different standards apply in different situations.

Yes, a standard is an expectation for a certain level of performance or excellence. For any given thing there will be a standard which is the highest level of expectation of performance or excellence. Different standards apply in different conditions.

Standards do not exist to measure success or failure to the standard. Standards exist to prevent or mitigate certain consequences from occurring. Now here is the important part, standards exist for logical reasons. If you deviate from the standard the reason the standard existed will be discovered through outcomes or consequences.

Note that no where in there does an exception apply because of race, creed or color. The predictable surprises of normalizing one's deviance to the standard affect everyone exactly the same way. Which is to say in a probabilistic manner. Many times people get away with violating a standard. Which is why they normalize their deviance from the standard in the first place. But rest assured given enough time predictable surprises will occur.

 

[hobelim]

That's how so many Jews ended up in Spain.

No, they settled there peacefully after the first temple was destroyed.

 

[hobelim]

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

To fulfill the law is to comply with its demands. Sin is disobedience to the law. Just because Jesus 'fulfilled the Law" doesn't matter or help you in the least if you don't fulfill the law in the same way that Jesus did and cannot have the eternal life promised by God for fulfilling the law within you.

Your religion is dedicated to defying the Law of God that remains in effect and in full force...

"Therefore anyone who sets aside even the least of the laws demands, and teaches others to do the same, (which amounts to murder) will be called least in the kingdom of God."

To understand what Jesus meant by saying LEAST see Genesis 3:14

 

[ding]

To fulfill the law is to comply with its demands. Sin is disobedience to the law. Just because Jesus 'fulfilled the Law" doesn't matter or help you in the least if you don't fulfill the law in the same way that He did. You cannot have the eternal life promised by God for fulfilling the law within you.

"Therefore anyone who sets aside even the least of the laws demands, and teaches others to do the same, (which amounts to murder) will be called least in the kingdom of God."

To understand what Jesus meant by saying LEAST see Genesis 3:14

You can't even interpret Leviticus 18:22 properly.

 

[hobelim]

You can't even interpret Leviticus 18:22 properly.

When you master the first commandment you and I can discuss the second and so on....lol

 

[ding]

When you master the first commandment you and I can discuss the second and so on....lol

That you reject the Christian belief of the Trinity does not concern me. That you condemn respect for Christians because of that belief does. You keep doing what you're doing and I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

 

[ding]

I pay back militant atheists in their own coin.

 

[onefour1]

To fulfill the law is to comply with its demands. Sin is disobedience to the law. Just because Jesus 'fulfilled the Law" doesn't matter or help you in the least if you don't fulfill the law in the same way that Jesus did and cannot have the eternal life promised by God for fulfilling the law within you.

Your religion is dedicated to defying the Law of God that remains in effect and in full force...

"Therefore anyone who sets aside even the least of the laws demands, and teaches others to do the same, (which amounts to murder) will be called least in the kingdom of God."

To understand what Jesus meant by saying LEAST see Genesis 3:14

What Jesus meant by fulfilling the law was to take the lesser law of Moses and add to it to give us the higher law of the gospel. It isn't a reference to obeying the law. Yes, I agree that Jesus was however obedient to whole law of God and that we should follow in his footsteps and also obey all the laws of God. But the idea of fulfilling the law was to establish the higher law by fulfilling the lesser law of Moses.

You state that my religion is dedicated to defying the Law of God that remains in effect and full force... In what way does my religion defy the Law of God?

 

[ding]

In what way does my religion defy the Law of God?

 

[irosie91]

So Hitler seeing Jews as wild beasts is evil but when Jews do it, it's ok?

your saint adolf said "jews are wild beasts"? you got a citation.
You could cite the koran---it says jews are apes and pigs----but ADOLF
too? When jews do WHAT?

 

[rosends]

That's called dogma at best and moral relativity at worst. I for one do not accept that God has different standards for different people. That would be illogical. Truth is discovered. Truth is the same for all people. What is morally true for one is morally true for another. Customs are different. Different groups can have different customs.

Judaism says otherwise.

 

[rosends]

The only one muddying waters is you, brother. Moral laws are the same for everyone.

You keep saying but not only is it untrue, it isn't related to how you misrepresented what I said.

 

[irosie91]

You keep saying but not only is it untrue, it isn't related to how you misrepresented what I said.

MORAL LAWS are the same the world over????

 

[Lisa558]

That's called dogma at best and moral relativity at worst. I for one do not accept that God has different standards for different people. That would be illogical. Truth is discovered. Truth is the same for all people. What is morally true for one is morally true for another. Customs are different. Different groups can have different customs.

You do not accept that Gd has more demanding laws for Jews, just as I do not accept that Jesus was Gd’s son and that those who don’t believe that don’t get to Heaven.

Different religions have different teachings.

 

[irosie91]

You do not accept that Gd has more demanding laws for Jews, just as I do not accept that Jesus was Gd’s son and that those who don’t believe that don’t get to Heaven.

Different religions have different teachings.

my all time fave teaching is ding's-----ETERNAL HELLFIRE FOR
SIMPLE LACK OF "BELIEF"----some "our father...."