Zone1 If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[hadit]

Yeah, a "natural disaster" that God MADE to punish humanity for being violent. He literally says "I'm going to **** you bitches up, yo".

Sounds like a good reason to pay attention to what He has to say.

 

[hadit]

God doesn't act the way you want Him to, to your expectations, to your commands, to your perceptions.

That's the bottom line. Man is incredibly arrogant to think he has even the standing to criticize God's actions, because he doesn't understand the mind of God at all.

 

[Woodznutz]

So he allows the bad things to happen. Why?

Free will.

If violence is bad, then why be violent?

Those who are violent don't think it's bad.

 

[hadit]

So he allows the bad things to happen. Why?

Because to do otherwise means we would be no more than robots unable to decide to obey God or not. Would you prefer that?

If violence is bad, then why be violent?

Are you really not understanding a very simple thing? Scenario, a killer walks through a crowded shopping mall, shooting random people as he goes. A policeman faces him with weapon drawn and demands the shooter drop his weapon. The shooter does not. Choices:

1. The policeman shoots the killer, ending the killing.
2. The policeman does not want to be violent, so he puts his own weapon down. The killer kills the cop and resumes his march of death.

Is the policeman right to use violence to stop violence?

 

[Woodznutz]

and everyone can read what the crucifiers, desert dwellers have written - howabout a universal heavenly language and open communication like ann landers where the heavens will give a written response to inquiries ...

and tablets written in the heavens that are not destroyed by a mad man who is then loved by their followers for making up their own phony commandments those same people claim are real and used to persecute and victimize the innocent - "written" in all three desert bibles.

Where can we get a copy of the real commandments?

 

[BreezeWood]

Where can we get a copy of the real commandments?

the heavens do not issue commandments ...

there exists only the verbal heavenly goal granted a&e at their request for self determination - the triumph of good vs evil - to acquire heavenly judgment when accomplished necessary for admission to the everlasting and possibility of immortality.

known through birth in all languages past and present for all living beings.

 

[Woodznutz]

the heavens do not issue commandments ...

there exists only the verbal heavenly goal granted a&e at their request for self determination - the triumph of good vs evil - to acquire heavenly judgment when accomplished necessary for admission to the everlasting and possibility of immortality.

known through birth in all languages past and present for all living beings.

Man has an intrinsic need for rules. Without laws we are "outlaws".

 

[BreezeWood]

Man has an intrinsic need for rules. Without laws we are "outlaws".

outlaws ...

using artificial heavenly personifications to unjustly equate biased and flagrant commandments they claim to persecute and victimize the innocent is itself lawlessness the desert religions use for their own selfserving purposes.

used by all three from their beginnings as a corrupt reason for their existence.

 

[Luckyone]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

Let me give you my thinking on this.

One thing that is tangible and that does exist is the soul. The soul is what teaches us right from wrong, with people choosing to go in one direction or the other. The soul is not physical but emotional and as such, there is no tangible proof as to whether it dies or not after the physical death occurs.

The soul being an emotion means that right and wrong does exist in all people, which could explain religion and God, with God being the emotion of what is right and the Devil being the emotion of what is wrong.

As such and if the soul does not die, there can be after death judgement of each person based on emotions (not based on an actual God).

I personally believe that the soul continues after death. There is no scientific fact that it does but there is also no scientific fact that it doesn't.

There is so much that we do not know about the Universe, its creation and how it happened and from what it happened. Where did matter come from and how some planets can have life and other not (and why). What exists in the Universe (as far as energy and emotion). As such, the soul can also not be explained. We know (without any doubt) that the physical body dies. and we also know (without a doubt) how the physical body is created. Both of these are scientific facts. We don't know at all how energy and matter were created/exist and if they die/live on, meaning we also do not know how emotions are created/exist and if they die/live on.

 

[Luckyone]

So he allows the bad things to happen. Why?

If violence is bad, then why be violent?

We are here to learn and decide whether to go down the Godly way (for the good of us and all) or go down the Devil way (for the bad side). We are fallible (not perfect) so God puts bad things in our way for US to decide which way to go. How do we learn? by facing bad things. God is not here to protect us but to teach us!

In addition, our souls live many lives, meaning that our lessons are not learned in just one life by through many. If we make the right decisions in our life, our lives will be better as well as our next life will be better as well, though we will have to face those problems then, where we failed in this life. If we did not learn anything, our next life will be even worse.

Does that address and answer your question?

 

[Woodznutz]

outlaws ...

using artificial heavenly personifications to unjustly equate biased and flagrant commandments they claim to persecute and victimize the innocent is itself lawlessness the desert religions use for their own selfserving purposes.

used by all three from their beginnings as a corrupt reason for their existence.

There is safety, health, and prosperity within the law.

 

[Crepitus]

If your point is that God should eliminate faith, I have not missed it at all, and am addressing it.

I believe I may have posted this already but:

 

[Crepitus]

Do you know the odds against even a single protein assembling itself randomly, much less all the proteins in the order needed to assemble a DNA molecule? Keep in mind that you not only have the odds against a protein assembling itself, but it has to survive long enough for another protein to randomly assemble itself and be connected to the first one. The universe seems big and to have been around a long time, but it's nothing compared to those odds.

It didn't start with a modern complex DNA molecule. It started with a couple of proteins and evolved from there.

 

[Crepitus]

Let me give you my thinking on this.

One thing that is tangible and that does exist is the soul. The soul is what teaches us right from wrong, with people choosing to go in one direction or the other. The soul is not physical but emotional and as such, there is no tangible proof as to whether it dies or not after the physical death occurs.

The soul being an emotion means that right and wrong does exist in all people, which could explain religion and God, with God being the emotion of what is right and the Devil being the emotion of what is wrong.

As such and if the soul does not die, there can be after death judgement of each person based on emotions (not based on an actual God).

I personally believe that the soul continues after death. There is no scientific fact that it does but there is also no scientific fact that it doesn't.

There is so much that we do not know about the Universe, its creation and how it happened and from what it happened. Where did matter come from and how some planets can have life and other not (and why). What exists in the Universe (as far as energy and emotion). As such, the soul can also not be explained. We know (without any doubt) that the physical body dies. and we also know (without a doubt) how the physical body is created. Both of these are scientific facts. We don't know at all how energy and matter were created/exist and if they die/live on, meaning we also do not know how emotions are created/exist and if they die/live on.

Send me a pic of yours.

 

[hobelim]

Not just the christian god, any god. If they were real it would be self evident.

This sounds like an amoeba questioning the existence of a human. What you have left out of your speculations is that God has no visible shape or material form and like the wind the effects it has on things is self evident.

So try to understand if you want to see God you must first purify your own mind and be refined, then follow the instructions given in Kosher Law, which is not about what's for dinner, and then God will make himself known to you.

"As Heaven is higher than the earth so are my ways higher than your ways, my thoughts higher than your thoughts."

To stand in the presence of God one must ascend to his realm of his conscious existence. God will never reveal himself to you just because you whine about him never coming down from Heaven to kiss your funky ass.

Now you know.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The story is about human behavior, how it contrasts with what is good, and how good reacts to the kind of behavior that was/is present in mankind.

What is your purpose for flipping the story and turning against God? Or, is your purpose to turn against mankind, and vote for human destruction?

What is your purpose for deliberately ignoring things that don't fit your narrative?

Is it a "story"? Something made up or something that happened?

If it is a story, then the whole of the Bible is something just made up. Then what?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sounds like a good reason to pay attention to what He has to say.

Sounds like God is an idiot boss, the sort that uses fear to keep everyone in line.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Free will.

Those who are violent don't think it's bad.

If God liked free will, he'd let people do whatever they wanted and wouldn't intervene.

And he decided humans were really violent back then, but did nothing about WW2, the Holocaust, WW1, the Killing Fields in Cambodia and all the other mass violence we've seen in this world since.

The point is, you can't say "I think you're wrong because you're too violent" and then go and punish them with WORSE VIOLENCE.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Because to do otherwise means we would be no more than robots unable to decide to obey God or not. Would you prefer that?

Are you really not understanding a very simple thing? Scenario, a killer walks through a crowded shopping mall, shooting random people as he goes. A policeman faces him with weapon drawn and demands the shooter drop his weapon. The shooter does not. Choices:

1. The policeman shoots the killer, ending the killing.
2. The policeman does not want to be violent, so he puts his own weapon down. The killer kills the cop and resumes his march of death.

Is the policeman right to use violence to stop violence?

So what's the point of God?

There's this guy, up in the clouds, who just lets you do whatever you want. So, why would anyone pray to this God? Because he could, if he chose to, when having a bad day, suddenly kill all but 9 people?

So he's using fear, but telling people to do whatever they want??? Contradictory as hell.

Your analogy doesn't work.

Your analogy should be this:

A killer is going around shooting people. A cop tells the killer to stop shooting, otherwise the cop is going to kill EVERYONE in the crowded mall.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Life is totally black afterlife.

How do you know that?