Zone1 If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Woodznutz]

speak for yourself - its the christians, desert dwellers that believe they have a right to persecute and victimize the innocent in the name of their phony religion, madeup commandments they wallow in.

It's worked out pretty good for me.

It's the devil that has a stranglehold on mankind, not God.

 

[BreezeWood]

It's worked out pretty good for me.

It's the devil that has a stranglehold on mankind, not God.

you'll be the first in their ballroom the minions left with their cake ...

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

God allows disease, he doesn't spread it. He created us to resist disease but we have done everything to reject the protection that he has built within us.

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The illness that killed my husband was not given to him by God. It was given to him by an incompetent doctor.

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[hadit]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

Simple. Scripture is the way God chooses to communicate with us. Want to know what God is thinking? It's in Scripture. Want to know what He expects from you? It's in Scripture. But you can't just pull one little piece out and claim to understand all of it. Read the whole thing.

 

[hadit]

Nobody "programmed" DNA. It's the end result of several billion years of randomness.

Impossible. The odds against a self-replicating, self-correcting information storage system randomly evolving are truly astronomical.

 

[BreezeWood]

Simple. Scripture is the way God chooses to communicate with us. Want to know what God is thinking? It's in Scripture. Want to know what He expects from you? It's in Scripture. But you can't just pull one little piece out and claim to understand all of it. Read the whole thing.

and everyone can read what the crucifiers, desert dwellers have written - howabout a universal heavenly language and open communication like ann landers where the heavens will give a written response to inquiries ...

and tablets written in the heavens that are not destroyed by a mad man who is then loved by their followers for making up their own phony commandments those same people claim are real and used to persecute and victimize the innocent - "written" in all three desert bibles.

 

[BreezeWood]

Impossible. The odds against a self-replicating, self-correcting information storage system randomly evolving are truly astronomical.

nothing random about evolution - the elements of the periodic table were known before being found the same w/ dna being known before assembly.

evolution is a process from beginning to end before implementation.

 

[hadit]

nothing random about evolution - the elements of the periodic table were known before being found the same w/ dna being known before assembly.

evolution is a process from beginning to end before implementation.

Are you saying evolution is directed, not random? That requires a creator and designer, yes? Seriously, it's either totally random, which requires more time to happen than the universe has existed, or it's designed, which requires a designer.

That doesn't address the sheer magnitude of the odds against a single DNA molecule assembling itself randomly, much less the trillions of repetitions necessary to form one multi-cellular organism, much less the trillions of those to form higher level organisms. Consider that we are told evolution requires eons of time to work, and to assemble even the simplest protein would require conditions to be perfect for millions of years, and there's one thing we know about the early earth, it was not stable for millions of years.

 

[Crepitus]

Simple. Scripture is the way God chooses to communicate with us. Want to know what God is thinking? It's in Scripture. Want to know what He expects from you? It's in Scripture. But you can't just pull one little piece out and claim to understand all of it. Read the whole thing.

Yu seem to have missed the whole point of the thread.

 

[Crepitus]

Impossible. The odds against a self-replicating, self-correcting information storage system randomly evolving are truly astronomical.

"astronomical" is exactly how it works.

 

[BreezeWood]

much less the trillions of repetitions necessary to form one multi-cellular organism

programed then initiated ...

no multi cellular organisms exist only single cell or replicated single cell organisms are all there is -

the designer is the multitudes that have over time assembled the pieces for a progression of one sort or another including life itself ... heavenly exists and has nothing to do with desert religions or any facsimiles of their likeness.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Jesus once noted that there are crosses in every life. His teaching: Pick up that cross...and follow me.

We were not born into a world where all would be happy, healthy, and wise. Look to the pyramids; look to the moon landing. Both these took great work, tremendous effort. Both visions led to mankind inventing new tools, developing better materials. Runners and weightlifters build stronger endurance, stronger muscles.

Hardships can come with blessings, especially if one, instead of blaming God and being bitter towards him because of hardship, welcomes Him as the guide/trainer through that pain and tribulation. Christians remember that Jesus' suffering and death led to his resurrection into a new life. Our pain and suffering may not lead to physical death; it can lead into a new life right here.

You think killing all but 9 people is introducing "hardship"???

And if hardship is a thing, then why did God care if humans were killing each other?

 

[frigidweirdo]

God allows disease, he doesn't spread it. He created us to resist disease but we have done everything to reject the protection that he has built within us.

So he allows the bad things to happen. Why?

If violence is bad, then why be violent?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

God doesn't act the way you want Him to, to your expectations, to your commands, to your perceptions.

 

[Cougarbear]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

The books haven't failed. Well not the Old or New Testaments. So, God exists. End of your stupid post.

 

[Meriweather]

You think killing all but 9 people is introducing "hardship"???

And if hardship is a thing, then why did God care if humans were killing each other?

It was a natural disaster that decimated the population. The Bible speaks of nine who survived. What was going on in the human population before this disaster? There was a new beginning. How did it begin? Against what is it warning mankind?

 

[frigidweirdo]

It was a natural disaster that decimated the population. The Bible speaks of nine who survived. What was going on in the human population before this disaster? There was a new beginning. How did it begin? Against what is it warning mankind?

Yeah, a "natural disaster" that God MADE to punish humanity for being violent. He literally says "I'm going to **** you bitches up, yo".

 

[Meriweather]

Yeah, a "natural disaster" that God MADE to punish humanity for being violent. He literally says "I'm going to **** you bitches up, yo".

The story is about human behavior, how it contrasts with what is good, and how good reacts to the kind of behavior that was/is present in mankind.

What is your purpose for flipping the story and turning against God? Or, is your purpose to turn against mankind, and vote for human destruction?

 

[hadit]

Yu seem to have missed the whole point of the thread.

If your point is that God should eliminate faith, I have not missed it at all, and am addressing it.

 

[hadit]

"astronomical" is exactly how it works.

Do you know the odds against even a single protein assembling itself randomly, much less all the proteins in the order needed to assemble a DNA molecule? Keep in mind that you not only have the odds against a protein assembling itself, but it has to survive long enough for another protein to randomly assemble itself and be connected to the first one. The universe seems big and to have been around a long time, but it's nothing compared to those odds.