If God is all powerful, ...

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If we were perfect, we'd just choose good.

But isn't good what god wants us to choose? And if so, evil is unnecessary.

There's no choice if there's no evil, and choice is meaningless if there's only one. The point is choice, hence agency, otherwise he has only created drones. This is not complicated.

There's no choice if only one pick is valid and the other pick condemns you to a lake of fire for eternity. This is not complicated.

It's not that only one is valid, it's that people only consider one desirable. That doesn't stop you, so how can you claim there's only one choice? You prove he has given you agency in absolutely everything you do.

It's your decision to bathe in the lake of fire or not. If he had created everyone perfect, they would not be able to choose the lake of fire if they wanted to be separated for eternity.

Just because you refuse to acknowledge the existence of a choice, does not mean that one does not exist.

What kind of disgusting, vile, evil creature would create sentient beings that might suffer for eternity? Gross. You can keep your evil sky daddy. **** him.

 

[Frannie]

Yes DNA wrote itself, its evolved from 1 cell organisms.

When computer operating systems grow in ponds, not before

PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

Nope you can't demonstrate any of this, but have fun dying trying

No, look it up. The OP question is

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

My answer is : because God does not exist.

What is your answer:

I never once said that God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect.

What I did say is that DNA did not write itself in Darwin's warm little pond with all sorts magical elements that have always wanted to write code and that an intelligent being able to direct elements to assemble themselves into living beings by the most complicated and memory dense hard drive that also assembles the working computer was needed.

Ya know by the time this is over you are going to be fully shrink wrapped, you might even be breathing thru a straw.

But I like you because you are fun.

A little warm pond like a cell!
Charles Darwin was reluctant to publish his views on life's origin. His only speculations on the subject are known from a private letter to his friend and colleague Joseph Hooker, in which he speaks of a 'warm little pond' in which the first molecules of life could have formed.

A new and controversial study suggests Darwin's stab in the dark hit close to truth. In the article that was published earlier this week, researchers claim that the first cells evolved in volcanic pools. This new hypothesis brings the origin of life debate back from the depths of the oceans to the surface of the earth - other scientists believe hydrothermal vents in the deep sea are the most conducive environments for nascent life.

The researchers, led by Armen Mulkidjanian, presume that the chemistry of modern cells mirror the original environment in which life first evolved. Since oceans and cells are chemically dissimilar, they think it is unlikely life evolved there. The chemical nature of volcanic pools, or 'warm little ponds', resembles the cell's composition of its cytoplasm much more closely.
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The backbone of DNA is made of phosphate, many ancient proteins require zinc, and the cell needs potassium ions to solder amino acids together in the manufacture proteins, one of the most important chemical reactions in life.
The backbone of DNA is made of phosphate, many ancient proteins require zinc, and the cell needs potassium ions to solder amino acids together in the manufacture proteins, one of the most important chemical reactions in life.
Did life evolve in a `warm little pond'?

Look dopey the simple fact that you forgot is that Darwin's pond was imaginary. As in he made up what was in it, but hey the electricity worked for Victor Frankenstein. Darwin never once even imagined DNA, but hey you need a God and Darwin is it.

LOL you have just become clueless, like everyone who stays in my game long enough.

But hey you found proof on the internet of Darwin's pond

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[Frannie]

Their is no known way known to science that programs write themselves

So what? Thats a stupid argument. "Because I don't understand, therefore impossible." Dumbest argument ever. If we bought into that argument, we would still be living in caves.

Actually when we were living in caves the DNA program was already written.

But you keep babbling, its a skill I suppose

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Actually when we were living in caves the DNA program was already written

What an idiotic, meaningless response. This is like playing basketball against midgets.

 

[Frannie]

Actually when we were living in caves the DNA program was already written

What an idiotic, meaningless response. This is like playing basketball against midgets.

You never did explain how epigenetics effects the first generations sperm

I will get you a Nobel prize for the info....

yawning

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You never did explain how epigenetics effects the first generations sperm

And you never looked up any of the workong hypotheses...

Is this your newest, stupid argument? If a syranger on the internet can't explain it to you...therefore,magic? Haha...how dumb.

 

[BreezeWood]

Yes DNA wrote itself, its evolved from 1 cell organisms.

When computer operating systems grow in ponds, not before

PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

Nope you can't demonstrate any of this, but have fun dying trying

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PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

fragments within the pond and their affinity joined them together in time to form a single unit.

- the chemical print formed in the pond separately as the same for the metaphysical components, membrane etc. simultaneously combining in unison to create the first cell.

 

[Frannie]

You never did explain how epigenetics effects the first generations sperm

And you never looked up any of the workong hypotheses...

Is this your newest, stupid argument? If a syranger on the internet can't explain it to you...therefore,magic? Haha...how dumb.

I know all the hypothesis, they haven't changed in the last 100 years, from before DNA was even discovered

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

know all the hypothesis, they haven't changed in the last 100 years

Of ....epigenetics and inheritance? Um...

 

[Frannie]

Yes DNA wrote itself, its evolved from 1 cell organisms.

When computer operating systems grow in ponds, not before

PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

Nope you can't demonstrate any of this, but have fun dying trying

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PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

fragments within the pond and their affinity joined them together in time to form a single unit.

- the chemical print formed in the pond separately as the same for the metaphysical components, membrane etc. simultaneously combining in unison to create the first cell.

DNA is a complicated code, you don't just need fragments, you must have all the fragments in the right place. That said if what you say did happen there is also no way for the fragments to make themselves smarter, stronger, better suited to the environment as is happening with humans. Sure evolution does this but how would random fragments joining know that they needed to evolve.

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Because God programed them that way

 

[Frannie]

know all the hypothesis, they haven't changed in the last 100 years

Of ....epigenetics and inheritance? Um...

The babble regarding spontaneous generation began with Darwin and has not changed since. Experiments were done to confirm the theory but all failed completely.

The best answer was God then as it is now

 

[Blackrook]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

The Adam and Eve story explains this.

 

[Frannie]

You never did explain how epigenetics effects the first generations sperm

And you never looked up any of the workong hypotheses...

Is this your newest, stupid argument? If a syranger on the internet can't explain it to you...therefore,magic? Haha...how dumb.

u r dubmb

 

[Frannie]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

The Adam and Eve story explains this.

The Bambi story has more facts

 

[Frannie]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

The Adam and Eve story explains this.

Why would God create such failure, and why would a God get pissed at a chick for picking an apple? I mean without Eve there would be no apple strudel.……………….

Makes sense

 

[Blackrook]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

The Adam and Eve story explains this.

Why would God create such failure, and why would a God get pissed at a chick for picking an apple? I mean without Eve there would be no apple strudel.……………….

Makes sense

Free will.

 

[Frannie]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

The Adam and Eve story explains this.

Why would God create such failure, and why would a God get pissed at a chick for picking an apple? I mean without Eve there would be no apple strudel.……………….

Makes sense

Free will.

So God got pissed off at what he created...…………….

Was he stupid?

Seriously the free will thing is nonsense, God made us and got back on the ship, his program was so perfect that eventually he knew that we would come to find him or his kids.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

If we were perfect, we'd just choose good.

But isn't good what god wants us to choose? And if so, evil is unnecessary.

There's no choice if there's no evil, and choice is meaningless if there's only one. The point is choice, hence agency, otherwise he has only created drones. This is not complicated.

There's no choice if only one pick is valid and the other pick condemns you to a lake of fire for eternity. This is not complicated.

It's not that only one is valid, it's that people only consider one desirable. That doesn't stop you, so how can you claim there's only one choice? You prove he has given you agency in absolutely everything you do.

It's your decision to bathe in the lake of fire or not. If he had created everyone perfect, they would not be able to choose the lake of fire if they wanted to be separated for eternity.

Just because you refuse to acknowledge the existence of a choice, does not mean that one does not exist.

What kind of disgusting, vile, evil creature would create sentient beings that might suffer for eternity? Gross. You can keep your evil sky daddy. **** him.

The decision is up to them. If you'd prefer to be separated from him for eternity, you're the one who made the decision, and that's your own fault.

Someone who cuts off their own arm is responsible for the act of cutting off their own arm, it's not the creator's fault that the creation made that decision.

 

[BreezeWood]

Yes DNA wrote itself, its evolved from 1 cell organisms.

When computer operating systems grow in ponds, not before

PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

Nope you can't demonstrate any of this, but have fun dying trying

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PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

fragments within the pond and their affinity joined them together in time to form a single unit.

- the chemical print formed in the pond separately as the same for the metaphysical components, membrane etc. simultaneously combining in unison to create the first cell.

DNA is a complicated code, you don't just need fragments, you must have all the fragments in the right place. That said if what you say did happen there is also no way for the fragments to make themselves smarter, stronger, better suited to the environment as is happening with humans. Sure evolution does this but how would random fragments joining know that they needed to evolve.

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Because God programed them that way

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DNA is a complicated code, you don't just need fragments, you must have all the fragments in the right place. That said if what you say did happen there is also no way for the fragments to make themselves smarter, stronger, better suited to the environment as is happening with humans. Sure evolution does this but how would random fragments joining know that they needed to evolve.

but how would random fragments joining know that they needed to evolve ...needed to evolve.[/QUOTE]

but how would random fragments joining know that they needed to evolve ...

they would first

Yes DNA wrote itself, its evolved from 1 cell organisms.

When computer operating systems grow in ponds, not before

PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

Nope you can't demonstrate any of this, but have fun dying trying

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PS. Can you explain how DNA is the result of one celled organisms that can not exist without DNA? Presumably you do know that the smallest one celled organisms have hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA that can be in only one position for the cell to form, but that the cell only forms from another cell anyway.

fragments within the pond and their affinity joined them together in time to form a single unit.

- the chemical print formed in the pond separately as the same for the metaphysical components, membrane etc. simultaneously combining in unison to create the first cell.

DNA is a complicated code, you don't just need fragments, you must have all the fragments in the right place. That said if what you say did happen there is also no way for the fragments to make themselves smarter, stronger, better suited to the environment as is happening with humans. Sure evolution does this but how would random fragments joining know that they needed to evolve.

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Because God programed them that way

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DNA is a complicated code, you don't just need fragments, you must have all the fragments in the right place. That said if what you say did happen there is also no way for the fragments to make themselves smarter, stronger, better suited to the environment as is happening with humans. Sure evolution does this but how would random fragments joining know that they needed to evolve.

but how would random fragments joining know that they needed to evolve.

after joining together, evolving would be the obvious next step ...

Because God programed them that way

not so -

change is inevitable ... only for the good is the intervention from the metaphysical - guidance, the religion of antiquity.

 

[onefour1]

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and an all loving God, then why didn't he create us to be perfect?

If God is all powerful and can do all things, surely he would be able to create a perfect being who has all power, all knowledge, and is a perfectly loving being. To say that he cannot create such a being is to admit that God is not all powerful.

If God is all knowing surely he has the knowledge to create a perfect being and to give that perfect being a perfect knowledge.

If God is an all loving being who loves his creations then he would surely want the best for his creations. He would want his creations to be perfect. Thus he would create us to be perfect. Even in a world or universe where free will exists, if God created us to be perfect, then we with our perfect knowledge could surely reason out that we should choose good over evil always and never make a bad decision. We would be created with a heart filled with love for our fellow beings and our own creations. God would spare us the evil we experience in this world as we would have started out from creation as perfect beings never to commit any act that is contrary to what is right and good.

So why didn't God simply create us to be perfect?

God did create the Son to be perfect. Flesh/son of Man is merely a container that holds both the good and the what we consider to be the bad. It is a cocoon in a sense that contains the Man (male and female types both) that will be eventually birthed into the fullness of what it was originally intended and purposed for. When a child is in the womb it is nourished inside the womb. Humans of flesh are in essence a container for the spiritual fetus that goes through various stages of growth.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. (goy/nations is speaking of those portions/people/hosts within or cattle/herds all those pieces and portions of thoughts and behaviors within one's own mind/lands that has disbelief, is unfinished, portions of the Spirit not yet perfected, or completed yet)

Gen 25:23
And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people (spiritually speaking literally two different types hosts. Jacob the upright 'he grasps the heel' [that which is holding the rear guard] to rule the heavenly and Esau the 'red hairy one' who is Edom to rule over the earthly portions that guide the living soul) shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

If God created the Son to be perfect, then why wouldn't he create the rest of us to be perfect also?

Are you not content that you have the capability to be formed into the image of the Son? Is a fetus fully form at conception or does it take some time?

You have a soul made of Breath that is perfectly designed to be formed into the image of the Son. Sorry but you do not get the #1 position as a flesh being until you can overcome it/carnal flesh and that which goes with it for that is reserved for that which is pure.

But the question is why? If God is an all loving being, it seems that he could have foregone the suffering, pain, and death of all of us and simply made us to be what he himself is, perfect.

Apparently you are having a tough time or are incapable of separating in your mind that which is spirit and that which is flesh. The spirit of the Son in these current flesh containers was created perfect from the beginning,

There was 'a great war in heaven', 'I saw satan fall from the heavens like lightening fall' and 'satan deceive a third of the angels who followed the deceiver'. Created already in perfection but certain ones made a choice to follow the enmity to God who decided that they could rise above God and take over His/Her throne, Would you prefer total destruction or an opportunity to save what was created in your own image?

The great war in heaven proves that even as spirits, before they were cast to this earth were not perfect. A perfect being would never have rebelled against God but would have had a perfect knowledge that his way was the right way. Why didn't God give these spirits perfection so there would be no war in heaven and a rebellion. Whether it be spirits or the souls of mankind, they lacked perfection. Why didn't God simply create them to be perfect?