If capitalism works why are you all getting government handouts ?

[jc456]

The guberment is sending them out?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

ell me more how this creates poverty........LOL!

One in nine U.S. workers are paid wages that can leave them in poverty, even when working full time

Leave them in poverty? You're saying they started in poverty, before the job?
Are they deeper in poverty before the job or after the job?

 

[elektra]

How are you defining "rich"?
I never made more than $16,000 in any single year of my working life.

No wonder you hate so much. All the socialism in the world and all you could do was a lousy 16K.
Money is a product of our labor as well as the choices we make. That is if you live in the USA. With more capitalism, less democrats. Nobody would make such a pathetically small amount of money.

 

[georgephillip]

want to compare america's environmental record with, say, the soviet unions? or china's

Clean up your own house before worrying about others

US military is a bigger polluter than as many as 140 countries – shrinking this war machine is a must

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

want to compare america's environmental record with, say, the soviet unions? or china's

Clean up your own house before worrying about others

US military is a bigger polluter than as many as 140 countries – shrinking this war machine is a must

The US military’s carbon bootprint is enormous.

So was the boot we put in the USSR's ass.

 

[georgephillip]

/----/ I stopped reading at your wildly exaggerated claim that US corporations have the lowest corporate tax rates. FACT CHECK: Does The U.S. Have The Highest Corporate Tax Rate In The World?

Maybe you should just stop reading altogether since you don't seem very good at it?

Fact Sheet: Corporate Tax Rates - Americans For Tax Fairness.

"The top statutory tax rate of 35% in the U.S. is somewhat higher than that of 30 other OECD countries, but the average effective tax rate — the actual rate paid after deductions and credits — is slightly lower than our competitors, according to the Congressional Research Service (CRS).

"Several studies have found that U.S. corporations pay a similar or a lower effective tax rate — the rate actually paid — than corporations in other countries. For example:

• "Our average effective tax rate is 27.1% compared with 27.7% for the other 30 OECD countries, according to CRS.
• Profitable corporations paid U.S. income taxes amounting to just 12.6% of worldwide income in 2010, according to the Government Accountability Office."

 

[jc456]

Clean up your own house before worrying about others

It is. But it’s clear you don’t care cause you won’t comment. So really it isn’t an issue is it? You just hate the USA. We know

 

[Correll]

want to compare america's environmental record with, say, the soviet unions? or china's

Clean up your own house before worrying about others

US military is a bigger polluter than as many as 140 countries – shrinking this war machine is a must

and we have. our environment is in great shape. i live in a rust belt city and i have not seen smog here since the 70s.

 

[beagle9]

The answer to you title, is NOBODYS WORKING BECAUSE OF STATE GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE.

Michigan's at 21% unemployment because Gretche Whitler shut the state down. That's not "capitalism"

Yet another stupid fuck blaming the States for Trump's COVID failure.

You really think that without the shut downs that people would be flocking to bars & restaurants, etc when the infection rates would be so much higher without the shut downs?

prove it. pull the benchmark data that agrees with your post. You can't, but you're condescension will have you insult me.

There is lots of data on the option that did not happen. Not.

You think the only reason people did not go out to eat was because there were closed. Lots of people would no go because of the virus. Lots of people only venture out now when absolutely necessary because of the virus. Withiout the shutdown, we could have tens of millions more infections, lots more deasrth & lots mopre people staying home.

In 1979 I made $5 dollars an hour, today I make 35 dollars an hour. that isn't 11.6. just saying, you're wrong. And by the way, there are tens of millions of me

How does 1979 GDP compare with today?
Do you understand why that matters?

An Annual Review of the U.S. Economy Since 1929

It is just simple referencing when gauging the past with the future, but policy is what adjust the outcomes of our present conditions. The Democrats have had the wrong policies, and they have hurt so many because of their wrongheadedness, and to the point that we can't even reference the Democrat periods in respect to the future, and do it from within the future once we get there.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

/----/ I stopped reading at your wildly exaggerated claim that US corporations have the lowest corporate tax rates. FACT CHECK: Does The U.S. Have The Highest Corporate Tax Rate In The World?

Maybe you should just stop reading altogether since you don't seem very good at it?

Fact Sheet: Corporate Tax Rates - Americans For Tax Fairness.

"The top statutory tax rate of 35% in the U.S. is somewhat higher than that of 30 other OECD countries, but the average effective tax rate — the actual rate paid after deductions and credits — is slightly lower than our competitors, according to the Congressional Research Service (CRS).

"Several studies have found that U.S. corporations pay a similar or a lower effective tax rate — the rate actually paid — than corporations in other countries. For example:

• "Our average effective tax rate is 27.1% compared with 27.7% for the other 30 OECD countries, according to CRS.
• Profitable corporations paid U.S. income taxes amounting to just 12.6% of worldwide income in 2010, according to the Government Accountability Office."

Profitable corporations paid U.S. income taxes amounting to just 12.6% of worldwide income in 2010, according to the Government Accountability Office."

Why would a US corporation pay US taxes on income earned in their UK or Japanese subsidiary?

 

[georgephillip]

The Democrats have had the wrong policies, and they have hurt so many because of their wrongheadedness, and to the point that we can't even reference the Democrat periods in respect to the future, and do it from within the future once we get there.

Over the last thirty years, I struggle to find any significant differences between Republicans and Democrats on policy issues except for wedge concerns like abortion and guns:

Republicans vs Democrats: Two Neoliberal War Parties With the same Economic and Foreign Policies - Islam Times

"What did Bill Clinton actually do policy-wise that ever betrayed Republican political values?

"He certainly had earlier clearly proved his national security bonafides to the Republican establishment.

"Bill Clinton came to national political prominence out of nowhere, but only after having proved himself to the CIA and deep state actors of the Republican Reagan/Bush I administrations.

"He did this by playing a crucial part in the illegal and sordid Iran Contra operation.

"Bill Clinton performed a key role in that operation by warding off Arkansas State police investigations into the 'drugs in / guns out' Republican White House and CIA operation that was being run out of the Mena, Arkansas airport.

"Without Governor Bill Clinton running interference Mena simply couldn’t have functioned as the cocaine import hub in the government drugs for guns [Iran-Contra] operation.

"Quite a loyalty test, but one Bill passed with flying colors as evidenced by his rise from nowhere to the presidency."

 

[georgephillip]

So was the boot we put in the USSR's ass.

 

[elektra]

you defining "rich"?
I never made more than $16,000 in any single year of my working life.

No wonder you hate so much. All the socialism in the world and all you could do was a lousy 16K.
Money is a product of our labor as well as the choices we make. That is if you live in the USA. With more capitalism, less democrats. Nobody would make such a pathetically small amount of money.

 

[georgephillip]

It is. But it’s clear you don’t care cause you won’t comment. So really it isn’t an issue is it? You just hate the USA. We know

Why do you love pollution?

Brazil and U.S. Ranked Worst for Environmental Impact

"The world’s 10 worst environmental performers (out of 171 considered) in absolute global terms are:

1. Brazil
2. USA
3. China
4. Indonesia
5. Japan
6. Mexico
7. India
8. Russia
9. Australia
10. Peru"

 

[Dagosa]

I consider it a rebate of income illegally confiscated before I even receive it. Even with a second stimulus check, the government still has several thousand dollars of my income "after" my tax refund came.
Those that have no tax liability after receiving their refund shouldn't get the money.

It’s most ironic that our government and the Fed bailout big business to the tune of trillions, yet no one says this is a disincentive to work. However, they do say this for the working class.

Republicans call the $600 unemployment boost a disincentive to work. Many experts disagree
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/is-...a-disincentive-to-work-no-economists-say.html

$600 a week is $15 an hour. Let’s pay congress $15 an hour till they pass this fking measure.

 

[harmonica]

Stimulus check money: You and your family may get $1,200 or more with another relief payment

Here's how much to expect if the IRS sends out an additional round of stimulus checks in 2020.

www.cnet.com

There seem to be double standards at work here. I do think that it is the role of government to help out when capitalism fails but so many of my fellow posters seem to be happy decrying "Venezuela" whilst gorging themselves on the government teat.

Are you all going to give the money back ?

very very stupid--this is during a world wide pandemic --capitalism is not failing

 

[elektra]

life goes up and down, the losers cry that something they do not understand has not been fair

chances are, the losers are losers because they cry and blame everyone and everything but themselves

 

[Correll]

It is. But it’s clear you don’t care cause you won’t comment. So really it isn’t an issue is it? You just hate the USA. We know

Why do you love pollution?
...

your post makes no sense from the tiny bit of jc456's post you did not cut.

he obviously made a point, one so strong that you felt you had to completely cut it from the thread, before you could "respond" to it.


we have no way of knowing if your "reply" addressed his point at all. probably not.


the only reason to cut that much before you reply, is because you know it crushed your entire position and that you lost the debate and know it is now time to play silly troll games.

 

[elektra]

Why are we getting handouts? Last I checked the $1200 I got is two weeks of the tax I pay.

 

[jc456]

It is. But it’s clear you don’t care cause you won’t comment. So really it isn’t an issue is it? You just hate the USA. We know

Why do you love pollution?

Brazil and U.S. Ranked Worst for Environmental Impact

"The world’s 10 worst environmental performers (out of 171 considered) in absolute global terms are:

1. Brazil
2. USA
3. China
4. Indonesia
5. Japan
6. Mexico
7. India
8. Russia
9. Australia
10. Peru"

Let’s say ok, why aren’t you feverently demanding the other countries to step up? Again, we know you just hate the USA, which actually has done the most!