Zone1 If Blacks Do What Whites Have Done We Will Be Successful

[JoeB131]

IMAVICTIM strikes again.

No Joe, most white women wouldn't. Nor would Asians. High performing Asians aren't getting rejected for low performing blcks.

This is the case coming before the Supreme Court. Let's look at the facts.

You do realize SCOTUS is going to strike down Affirmative Action, right? I want to brace you for it, because all your whining aside, everyone is sick and tired of this.

Asians are six percent of the American population, but they were 25.9 percent of the students entering Harvard in 2021. That is a full ten percentage points more than African Americans (15.9%) and more than double the percentage of both Hispanics (12.5%) and Native Americans (11%). In fact, there were more Asians admitted into Harvard than Hispanics and Native Americans combined.

Point is, if you went by test scores and grades, you'd have a lot more Asians and a lot less blacks. Period. If that wasn't the case, you wouldn't be fighting this so hard.

I don't know what history you say you studied but when you can't mention that blacks were denied union membership to argue that blacks were scabs, you must have studied the history of comic books. You are ignorant when it comes to this discussion. White men have got AA since 1776 and you did not get passed over for an AA hire.

You see, I took ACTUAL history, and not whatever CRT Garbage you learned. Now, I admit, that I come from a long line of Union guys, and that is actually a bias. My Grandfather was in the union, my dad was in the Union, my brothers were in unions. My grandmother was an organizer of union labor at textile factories.

But this whole thing of "White people got AA", we've been over this, buddy. For MOST white people, this meant having to work jobs that frankly no one here would last five minutes at and dying fairly young.

Here, we see that lower performing WHITES are provided entry into Harvard by preferences they would not qualify for if not for connections they have due to their race. The study shows that white ALDC students who would not qualify under any other circumstance get accepted at more than double the percentage of Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans who meet the same criteria.

So what? Harvard maintains itself by a network of the powerful. Since most of us will never get into Harvard, just not seeing the point.

That's a lie told here and if it were true, you could have sued the company. I have hired people and have written company policy, it is illegal to discuss with employees why they got hired over another employee. So quit telling that lie.

That's the problem. Company policies are written by people like you.

No, no one had to discuss how Ms. AA got hired. It was pretty obvious the third time she asked how to perform basic functions of her job. No HR Department that wasn't half asleep would have hired her unless it was trying to fill a quota.

My Manager actually DID want me for the role. He was overruled by people who were higher up. And this person quickly learned whining to HR was the fastest way to get out of work. By the time I left, everyone hated her... and not because we were racists, but because she wasn't pulling her weight.

The only perpetual victim here is you. And I did not take African American Studies. I graduated in Sociology. This is why I can say what I do here about the behavior of people like you. There is no black victimhood, that's something a bunch of butthurt whites made up because they can't dispute the truth we present.

Wow.. "Sociology". Yeah, that explains much. You know, I'm on another thread arguing with the knuckle-draggers why student loan forgiveness is a good thing, but talking with you and that other guy, I'm starting to kind of doubt it.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm not. If I don't get a job, I shrug my shoulders and move on to the next thing. I don't take my frustrations out on an entire class of people just because I speculate that I might have gotten stiffed by some hiring policy.

Again, if you worked with this cow... you'd have a different opinion.

No offense man, but re-read this and think about what you're saying. Imagine a friend is writing this to you. I'm not calling you crazy - I'm not qualified to make that judgment. But I do think that any mental health specialist would point out that this is not healthy thinking. You say you're not a violent person by nature, but your natural default for handling grievances seems to be violent ideation. I'm just using your own words here, dude. You need to think in a more positive vein. I'm not saying you don't have a right to feel pissed - you have a right to feel however the hell you want - to a degree. But romanticizing violence, fantasizing about what you'd do under the wrong circumstances...like I said, consider getting some help. I don't mean that flippantly, either. There was a period a few years ago when I was probably in a similar state. Check it - check those feelings. Go take up boxing or MMA and kick some ass in the gym or something, but don't bottle it up like you're doing.

I'm sorry you are such a metrosexual sissy.

Be assured that there are soldiers and policemen out there to keep you safe. I am proud to have done one of those jobs for 11 years.

Your choice, but unless you're super wealthy, you're probably voting against your own interests. If you've got an extra yacht in a marina somewhere, a) how much do you charge for monthly rent (asking for a friend), and b) yeah, DeSantis is probably your guy.

Or we are just sick and tired of the nonsense.

Frankly, Biden is kind of screwing it up.... and frankly, Desantis is preferable to Trump returning at this point.

Just remember, when one of them gets in... you and IMAVICTIM2 made it happen.

 

[JoeB131]

What we see here is classic white fragility.

The question has been asked, "Do whites really want us to do things the way they did it?"

Not the way some whites tell each other how they did it, but the actual way it was done.

I know exactly how we did it... and frankly, it wasn't sitting around waiting for a government check for reparations.

Joe is getting soundly beaten in his debates, so he lashes out.

Cognitive dissonance is not a good thing.

You're the one whining about stuff that happened 100 years ago, and that's why you are a big bag of fail.

Anyway, I have to go off to my job, so you and Metrosexual-Man can whine about mean white people some more.

 

[multivita-man]

Again, if you worked with this cow... you'd have a different opinion.

I probably would, but then I'd be reminded of the fact that a lot of other people get jobs they're not necessarily qualified for. It happens.

I'm sorry you are such a metrosexual sissy.

LOL, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm a total fruit. Who knows, maybe I dress up in drag once in a while, lol.

Whatever, tell me, how is this whole "Cowboy up" thing working for you? Because from where I sit, the whole white guy "I'm a tough guy" thing is leading to opioid addiction, drug overdoses, and suicides. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you even wrote something to the effect that you're past the point of caring whether you end up in prison or not. I mean, that might not be suicidal ideation per se, but that's a pretty suicidal, permanently life-altering outlook.

Explain to me how that's healthy and how you think you're benefiting as an individual. How would beating the snot out of someone or worse and ending up with a lengthy prison sentence help you? I assume you have assets, savings, some accumulated wealth. You have creature comforts, I assume. And you'd give that up all because you think you got jobbed by a progressive woke policy that was intended to correct 400 years or racism? That's just breathtakingly, mind-bogglingly...wow.

Again, think about this. Logically, not emotionally.

Be assured that there are soldiers and policemen out there to keep you safe. I am proud to have done one of those jobs for 11 years.

Would never argue otherwise, and I tip my hat.

Or we are just sick and tired of the nonsense.

Frankly, Biden is kind of screwing it up.... and frankly, Desantis is preferable to Trump returning at this point.

Just remember, when one of them gets in... you and IMAVICTIM2 made it happen.

Nah, if you knowingly, willingly voted for a fascist and against the economic interests of pretty much everyone who isn't in the top 10% of wealth, then that is a conscious decision and a conscious action on your part. I take responsibility for my actions, and I think you should as well. If you vote someone like DeSantis into power because you were so triggered over wokeness, "you did that."

 

[IM2]

Poor Joe. The world hates him because he's white. Everybody wants to take from him because he's white. He didn't get a job so he wasn't hired because of AA. But he doesn't have victim mentality.

 

[multivita-man]

I know exactly how we did it... and frankly, it wasn't sitting around waiting for a government check for reparations.



You're the one whining about stuff that happened 100 years ago, and that's why you are a big bag of fail.

Anyway, I have to go off to my job, so you and Metrosexual-Man can whine about mean white people some more.

Oh I've been called worse, lol.

I guess I'm gonna have to sign off on this thread and leave it at that. Good luck.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's an insignificant difference. It shatters your belief and you can't handle it.

If 5% of your army is killed every day, in two weeks it will be below half its original strength.
If 2% of your army is killed every day, in five weeks it will be below half its original strength.

That's a huge difference.

Sorry your math is so weak. Did your white teachers fail you?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

attributed racial inequality as well as poverty and crime in the black community to family structure, particularly the prevalence of families headed by single mothers.

I wonder what percentage of the black prison population were raised by single mothers, or grandmothers, and what percentage were raised in two-parent households?

What about poor black households?
Probably just as many single parent as two parent households, right?

What about homeless black families?
Probably just as many single parent as two-parent groups, right?

 

[IM2]

If 5% of your army is killed every day, in two weeks it will be below half its original strength.
If 2% of your army is killed every day, in five weeks it will be below half its original strength.

That's a huge difference.

Sorry your math is so weak. Did your white teachers fail you?

My math is just fine. You can't accept that what you believe is wrong.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Asians are six percent of the American population, but they were 25.9 percent of the students entering Harvard in 2021.

And if they weren't excluded in favor of lower performing black and hispanic applicants, they'd
have been an even higher percentage of students.

 

[IM2]

I wonder what percentage of the black prison population were raised by single mothers, or grandmothers, and what percentage were raised in two-parent households?

What about poor black households?
Probably just as many single parent as two parent households, right?

What about homeless black families?
Probably just as many single parent as two-parent groups, right?

Blah, blah, blah.

You can't discuss the thread topic because it kills the lie you have lived.

 

[IM2]

And if they weren't excluded in favor of lower performing black and hispanic applicants, they'd
have been an even higher percentage of students.

But they weren't excluded for lower performing black and Hispanic applicants. Asians, blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans were excluded for lower performing whites.

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

Daniella Silva, Study on Harvard finds 43 percent of white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff, https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-harvard-finds-43- percent-white-students-are-legacy-athletes-n1060361

Peter Arcidiacono, Josh Kinsler, Tyler Ransom, National Bureau Of Economic Research, Legacy And Athlete Preferences At Harvard, Working Paper 26316, Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And I did not take African American Studies. I graduated in Sociology

Hilarious!
Not a lot of tough math classes for you in college, eh?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

My math is just fine. You can't accept that what you believe is wrong.

I put $10,000 each in two stocks.
One paid a 5% annual dividend and increased in price 5% a year for the last 10 years.
The other one paid a 2% annual dividend and increased in price 2% a year for the last 10 years.

Which one was worth more at the end? Were they worth about the same?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

But they weren't excluded for lower performing black and Hispanic applicants. Asians, blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans were excluded for lower performing whites.

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

Daniella Silva, Study on Harvard finds 43 percent of white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff, https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-harvard-finds-43- percent-white-students-are-legacy-athletes-n1060361

Peter Arcidiacono, Josh Kinsler, Tyler Ransom, National Bureau Of Economic Research, Legacy And Athlete Preferences At Harvard, Working Paper 26316, Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard

But they weren't excluded for lower performing black and Hispanic applicants.

They obviously were. Just look at the grades and test scores for the 3 groups.

Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs

And how many black and Hispanic applicants would have been rejected if they had been treated as Asians?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Blah, blah, blah.

You can't discuss the thread topic because it kills the lie you have lived.

Blah, blah, blah.

You can't discuss my questions because they kill the lie you have lived.

 

[22lcidw]

Blah, blah, blah.

You can't discuss the thread topic because it kills the lie you have lived.

Joe does not speak from the heart. So, we cannot address this thread to this poster until Joe is dealt with.

 

[Friends]

We have none of that. Apparently your brain malfunctions whereby you can't understand facts when they are put in front fo your face. But such is the problem with online forums.

This is the only fact anyone needs to know.

 

[IM2]

IMAVICTIM strikes again.



You do realize SCOTUS is going to strike down Affirmative Action, right? I want to brace you for it, because all your whining aside, everyone is sick and tired of this.



Point is, if you went by test scores and grades, you'd have a lot more Asians and a lot less blacks. Period. If that wasn't the case, you wouldn't be fighting this so hard.



You see, I took ACTUAL history, and not whatever CRT Garbage you learned. Now, I admit, that I come from a long line of Union guys, and that is actually a bias. My Grandfather was in the union, my dad was in the Union, my brothers were in unions. My grandmother was an organizer of union labor at textile factories.

But this whole thing of "White people got AA", we've been over this, buddy. For MOST white people, this meant having to work jobs that frankly no one here would last five minutes at and dying fairly young.



So what? Harvard maintains itself by a network of the powerful. Since most of us will never get into Harvard, just not seeing the point.



That's the problem. Company policies are written by people like you.

No, no one had to discuss how Ms. AA got hired. It was pretty obvious the third time she asked how to perform basic functions of her job. No HR Department that wasn't half asleep would have hired her unless it was trying to fill a quota.

My Manager actually DID want me for the role. He was overruled by people who were higher up. And this person quickly learned whining to HR was the fastest way to get out of work. By the time I left, everyone hated her... and not because we were racists, but because she wasn't pulling her weight.



Wow.. "Sociology". Yeah, that explains much. You know, I'm on another thread arguing with the knuckle-draggers why student loan forgiveness is a good thing, but talking with you and that other guy, I'm starting to kind of doubt it.

Joe,

If your manager wanted you for the job and was overruled, its probably because your company was still practicing discrimination and was trying to fix it. Now I'm sure you have worked with unqualified whites. And I bhave been denied jobs while whites who were less qualified got hired. A person with your limited mental ability does seem able to recognize that happens and I'm sure you'll have some illogical comeback to dismiss my experience.

Your rant is stupid. I'm going to show you this again and then you need to be quiet, because your argument is trash and again, it's based on something I can't say in this zone while you can call me a victim because you are not man enough to face the truth.

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs.

Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

-National Bureau of Economic Research

All groups of color were reduced to let in whites who would not have qualified as regular admissions.

Understand?

 

[IM2]

This is the only fact anyone needs to know.

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That's fiction.