If Az is shown to have cheated...then what?

[kyzr]

I'll show you examples of two issues that should be investigated:

What exactly needs investigating here? That big bump in the Democratic vote is when Milwaukee county posted their results. It’s the biggest population center and happens to be very democratic. It’s not anomalous, it’s exactly what you’d expect.

You don't know that the bump up was Milwaukee. Votes should have all been counted by 11pm or so, that bump is more than suspicious. I'd like to see overplots of prior presidential elections to see how the plots compare.

 

[LeftofLeft]

But, please don’t be naive to to think mass mail-in ballots arriving last minute at 3:00 AM without matching signatures is legitimate

This didn’t happen.

Don’t be naive to think that everything people post on the internet is legitimate.

What really is happening is mail-in ballots show up well after Election Days and courts say they will count. At the same time, entities struggle to match signatures. It’s an extremely flawed system and needs cleanup. Audits will expose this and we can have more confidence in our elections moving forward.

https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/election/article246741881.html

Pennsylvania ballots can’t be tossed out over voters' signatures, court says

The prospect of disqualified mail-in ballots poses a greater threat to Biden’s candidacy.

www.nbcnews.com

Mismatched signatures prompt tossed absentee ballots, legal fights ahead of election

Remember hanging chads, Florida's 2000 election nightmare? The 2020 equivalent could wind up being mismatched signatures.

www.cnn.com

Supreme Court Rules Pennsylvania Can Count Ballots Received After Election Day

Pennsylvania Republicans had sought to block the counting of late-arriving ballots, which the state's Supreme Court had approved last month.

www.npr.org

 

[kyzr]

I don’t know but a nation that can’t hold a fair and transparent election, is a failed nation.

Except we held a fair and transparent election...

The craziness is we are still using the "Bad idea because they wanted to get home and rape their slaves" method of picking a president, instead of just having a direct election like any sensible nation would do.

To note......as crazy as it was 2016 was a fair election also.

That’s the thing with partisans, they can’t think rationally.

1. Prove that partisans don't think rationally, you can't
2. Partisans are active in the policies being voted on, as opposed to low-information voters, or non-voters
3. The old saying, "everyone votes their own pocketbook" is generally true

That’s too easy. Partisans of the two gangs think their gang is better, when clearly there is little difference between them. But like I stated, you must be able to think rationally and partisans can’t.

There are major differences between the two political parties, Leftists vs Conservatives.
If you think that the following policy differences don't matter, you aren't thinking.
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
In-sourcing jobs vs outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.

That’s propaganda designed to deceive you and it’s working.

If you can't see the major differences between the two parties you're either lying, or stupid.
Why are you on this forum when all you say is "both parties suck"?
We're supposed to debate ideas, i.e. real "content". Your posts have no content, maybe you should try the "flame zone"?

Both parties sucking is an idea.

Both parties suck is a simplistic "opinion". Debating ideas is about why each party sucks, and which one sucks more.

Yes it alone is simplistic but both Gipper and myself have posted endlessly as to why they both suck.

If that's true, then why keep posting "both parties suck". That comment is worthless, it has no content. Then don't vote. Go fishing or to the shore.

 

[pknopp]

I don’t know but a nation that can’t hold a fair and transparent election, is a failed nation.

Except we held a fair and transparent election...

The craziness is we are still using the "Bad idea because they wanted to get home and rape their slaves" method of picking a president, instead of just having a direct election like any sensible nation would do.

To note......as crazy as it was 2016 was a fair election also.

That’s the thing with partisans, they can’t think rationally.

1. Prove that partisans don't think rationally, you can't
2. Partisans are active in the policies being voted on, as opposed to low-information voters, or non-voters
3. The old saying, "everyone votes their own pocketbook" is generally true

That’s too easy. Partisans of the two gangs think their gang is better, when clearly there is little difference between them. But like I stated, you must be able to think rationally and partisans can’t.

There are major differences between the two political parties, Leftists vs Conservatives.
If you think that the following policy differences don't matter, you aren't thinking.
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
In-sourcing jobs vs outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.

That’s propaganda designed to deceive you and it’s working.

If you can't see the major differences between the two parties you're either lying, or stupid.
Why are you on this forum when all you say is "both parties suck"?
We're supposed to debate ideas, i.e. real "content". Your posts have no content, maybe you should try the "flame zone"?

Both parties sucking is an idea.

Both parties suck is a simplistic "opinion". Debating ideas is about why each party sucks, and which one sucks more.

Yes it alone is simplistic but both Gipper and myself have posted endlessly as to why they both suck.

If that's true, then why keep posting "both parties suck". That comment is worthless, it has no content. Then don't vote. Go fishing or to the shore.

There are always options outside of (D) or (R) to vote for.

 

[Gracie]

Everything is warped. All is upside down. Cities being burned, the perps released to continue doing it. A man in the white house that should be in a mental ward. Crooked people in control. Lies everywhere. Media involvement. The destruction of freedom of speech. Cheating.

If someone cheats on their taxes and they get caught, they are punished. Some don't get punished at all. Business as usual. But to MAYBE cheat to win an election for POTUS is treason. Period. Wash it any way you want to, it's still treason.

If Trump cheated in 2016, the same applies. He is removed and the running mate put in the WH. If Biden & Co cheated, same deal. Why should our nation suffer the consequences in either case? It's illegal. Against all we supposedly stand for. So WHY, if cheating is proven, would not the person that cheated not be removed? It's false. All of it is false. And those responsible/involved should be behind bars.

No Gracie, everything is right side up. The guy who belongs in the mental ward is now living in Mar-a-lago. The crooked people got voted out of office, and the lies have ended. It you're hearing lies, it's only because you're listening to Donald Trump.

You seem incapable of discerning the truth tellers from the liars. Time to wake up and stop listening to Donald Trump and those who enable his lies. Donald Trump attempted an authoritarian take over of the USA. In almost any other country in the world, he would have be shot on January 6th for treason. He would not have remained in the White House for another day.

There were 3 prior recounts/audits in Arizona and few irregularities were found. Recounts in more than a half dozen states confirmed Biden's victory. Every state in the Union certified their election results, and 53 court cases involving more than 90 judges from all sides, some even appointed by Trump, all confirmed that Donald Trump had no case.

Trump didn't even try to claim the election was "stolen" in the courts. He tried to claim that ballots from the large, urban, predominently black cities, should not be counted. Trump is the guy who cheated. Who tried to sabotage the US postal system to prevent mail-in ballots.

Trump tried to steal the election, and failed. And then he tried to litigate a win and failed. And then he tried to overthrow the government and kill all of the leaders, and that failed.

When are you going to see the reality of who the traitor is here?

Hogwash. You are self projecting.
And for the record, I do not follow Trump. I liked what he did for our country, though. Am I a "deplorable"? Probably. Would I vote for him again? Certainly. Funny how I go with what is right for this nation and not back someone totally against us but I and those like me are the ones that are listening to lies? You see it right in front of your face....but you STILL back up that retard sitting in the oval office. His brain is MUSH. But, you are partisan and thats all that matters..even if it means our country goes down in flames you STILL will defend him and your party.

Get a clue. Now you are going back on ignore.

 

[MarcATL]

Then we will look like fools and move on.

However what would you say if there is credible evidence?????...............FRAUD>>>FRAUD

You people who have to slave to a boss for a dust breathing existence make me laugh.

Well Markie. My biggest problem in life now is this slice with my 2 and 3 irons. so I'm off to get this straightened out by June

Enjoy your day.

 

[colfax_m]

You don't know that the bump up was Milwaukee. Votes should have all been counted by 11pm or so, that bump is more than suspicious. I'd like to see overplots of prior presidential elections to see how the plots compare.

No, we know exactly what that bump is and we know for sure it is Milwaukee. We know this because the question has been raised and people found the answer. I don't know why you say that the "should have" been counted by 11 PM. They take as long as they take to count. Given that the Republican legislature declined calls to allow the counties to start processing votes before election day, the cause of the delay is solely because of Republican negligence.

Fact check: Vote spikes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania do not prove election fraud

Social media users have been sharing posts claiming that during the night of Nov. 3 to Nov. 4 there were vote dumps of hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots only for Democrat Joe Biden in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, suggesting this proves voter fraud allegations...

www.reuters.com

Ron Johnson says Wisconsin Legislature should pass a law to allow ballot counting before Election Day

"I think we should change the law so the ballots can be counted well before Election Day," the U.S. senator from Wisconsin said.

www.jsonline.com

 

[Claudette]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

Yes. Trump should be brought back and Biden should be kicked out of the oval office. He's made one giant mess so far and Trump will have to clean it up.

Wisconsin is also auditing that election and each of the battle ground states should be doing the same.

 

[colfax_m]

What really is happening is mail-in ballots show up well after Election Days and courts say they will count. At the same time, entities struggle to match signatures. It’s an extremely flawed system and needs cleanup. Audits will expose this and we can have more confidence in our elections moving forward.

The number of ballots received in Pennsylvania after election were not enough to cause any change in the outcome. This idea that tons of ballots were pulled out of nowhere in the middle of the night is false.

 

[InspectorDetector]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The election was rigged b y the fascist left. It worked and they "won". It has been certified. The long-term implications will wake the American people up and they WILL go to the polls.

Waste of time however. This country has seen it's last "fair and free" election (Presidential) that it will ever have again.

Screw the fascist Democrats. I pray that all of them die of horrible heart attacks.

 

[kyzr]

You don't know that the bump up was Milwaukee. Votes should have all been counted by 11pm or so, that bump is more than suspicious. I'd like to see overplots of prior presidential elections to see how the plots compare.

No, we know exactly what that bump is and we know for sure it is Milwaukee. We know this because the question has been raised and people found the answer. I don't know why you say that the "should have" been counted by 11 PM. They take as long as they take to count. Given that the Republican legislature declined calls to allow the counties to start processing votes before election day, the cause of the delay is solely because of Republican negligence.

Fact check: Vote spikes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania do not prove election fraud

Social media users have been sharing posts claiming that during the night of Nov. 3 to Nov. 4 there were vote dumps of hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots only for Democrat Joe Biden in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, suggesting this proves voter fraud allegations...

www.reuters.com

Ron Johnson says Wisconsin Legislature should pass a law to allow ballot counting before Election Day

"I think we should change the law so the ballots can be counted well before Election Day," the U.S. senator from Wisconsin said.

www.jsonline.com

OK, thanks. Let's hope that states allow vote counting before election day so the results aren't so questionable.
Past elections were generally called before 11pm. We need results certified on "Election Day", not weeks after.

 

[lennypartiv]

Obviously these audits are needed in AZ, GA, PA, MI, NV, and WI. Stolen elections have consequences.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You sad little person. Trump is done for a variety of different reasons. Don't you feel better not having to explain away his erratic behavior and open corruption? Maybe the next maniac you people fall in love with will not be so deeply flawed.

What about your erratic behavior and the DEMs open corruption?

 

[colfax_m]

OK, thanks. Let's hope that states allow vote counting before election day so the results aren't so questionable.
Past elections were generally called before 11pm. We need results certified on "Election Day", not weeks after.

Close elections are always going to take time to determine a winner. That's the nature of close elections. We have called elections before 11 PM in the past because they're usually not as close as they are here.

But the Democratic side was trying to encourage Republicans to change laws on vote counting in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, maybe more places, I'm not totally sure. It's almost as if Republicans wanted the process to be questioned. Not sure.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

Actually, nothing. The certified results have already been entered, after having been counted three times legitimately. Some half-ass audit of one county isn't going change that.

Yes, we Democrats counted to three , legitimately...Thank god they didnt make us count to four, we would of screwed the pooch then...

"would of"?

 

[LeftofLeft]

I think Mail-in Balloting needs to go away. Too many flaws. All of the arguments Liberals cling to hold onto Mail In Balloting are addressed with Absentee Balloting. The difference is that the voter REQUESTS the ballot and the election commission checks against the registered voter list.

Mail-In Voting (without voter requesting ballot) + Signature Matching Irregularities + Loosely Enforced Ballot Deadlines do not add up to a strong Election back by confidence of the all of the voters.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's a good question. I hear some saying that the important thing is to prevent it from happening again and that these forensic investigations are somehow bad for the republic. Nonsense. You have to expose everything illegal that happened in order to make sure it doesn't happen again. That means putting people in jail. The truth is the best thing for this republic. Anyway, what is the remedy in the case that eventually it is proven that enough votes were tampered with in enough states to have affected the election? Rescind all executive orders and have another election as soon as it is possible to ensure a tamper proof election. Same candidates. That is the only remedy.

Not in the Constitution. Biden would need to be impeached along with Harris. That puts Nancy in the White House.

 

[colfax_m]

Just to be clear, this audit has no legal standing. It is not going to prove anything one way or another. It is supposedly just a fact finding mission for crafting future legislation. This has no impact on any election past and cannot.

 

[Care4all]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

Cyber Ninjas were scheduled to do Audits in the other battleground states BEFORE this Arizona audit started. It's been the plan all along....to milk donations from you all...and to spread their lies and propaganda....again, to keep the troops riled and fleece donations from you all, as long as they can. A lot of FREE Press from the gimmick as well!

The phony audits and phony fraud claims is simply, CHA CHING!

NOW, to answer your question. If criminal fraud was truly proven, with people involved being charged with election fraud in Arizona, and that fraud was proven in the counts to be more than the 10,000 or so that Biden won by, then in my opinion, the Arizona electors given to Biden should be removed from his count and given to Trump, in the least, in the History Books.

Also, if and this is a big IF, it were PROVEN that Joe Biden was personally involved in this voter fraud that was proven to have taken place in Arizona, he should resign or be impeached and removed.

But if the proven voter fraud in Arizona did not involve President Biden and done by the people in Arizona being charged only....

AND THREE MORE of these battle ground STATES were all found and proven to have voter fraud taken place, without Biden's hand in it, and the hundreds of thousands of votes he won by all were Trump votes, then again, in my opinion of what would be fair, but not necessarily the law, is for those electors reversed and given to Trump, and Trump should be president, if this gets him to the 270 electors needed.

BUT I believe in the Constitution, because all certification is said and done with the election, I believe Biden stays President, unless he chooses to resign, or congress decides to impeach and remove Biden, Harris becomes President...

And if Harris also resigns or is impeached, then the Speaker of the House temporarily becomes president, until Congress picks a new president.

 

[Dragonlady]

I don’t know but a nation that can’t hold a fair and transparent election, is a failed nation.

Except we held a fair and transparent election...

The craziness is we are still using the "Bad idea because they wanted to get home and rape their slaves" method of picking a president, instead of just having a direct election like any sensible nation would do.

To note......as crazy as it was 2016 was a fair election also.

That’s the thing with partisans, they can’t think rationally.

1. Prove that partisans don't think rationally, you can't
2. Partisans are active in the policies being voted on, as opposed to low-information voters, or non-voters
3. The old saying, "everyone votes their own pocketbook" is generally true

That’s too easy. Partisans of the two gangs think their gang is better, when clearly there is little difference between them. But like I stated, you must be able to think rationally and partisans can’t.

There are major differences between the two political parties, Leftists vs Conservatives.
If you think that the following policy differences don't matter, you aren't thinking.
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
In-sourcing jobs vs outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.

That’s propaganda designed to deceive you and it’s working.

If you can't see the major differences between the two parties you're either lying, or stupid.
Why are you on this forum when all you say is "both parties suck"?
We're supposed to debate ideas, i.e. real "content". Your posts have no content, maybe you should try the "flame zone"?

Both parties sucking is an idea.

Both parties suck is a simplistic "opinion". Debating ideas is about why each party sucks, and which one sucks more.

In a post which uses the word "suck", three times. Some debate.

One side is debating programs, principles, and an agenda. The other side is claiming the election was stolen, and Donald Trump is the greatest president in history.

One side doesn't suck, but Democrats are very tired of trying to keep the country running while Republicans keep crashing the economy to impoverish working people and benefit their corporate donors.