IDF murders children playing on beach

[aris2chat]

These are the nice Zionists are they not hostile maniacs?

You really are gullible aren't you freddy boy, did you see that they wore fake IDF uniforms and carried ak47's. Any thing that racially attacks the Jews you believe and then claim that it is propaganda when it is shown to be false

Many images of IDF abuse of palestinians, even pointing guns as women and children have in large part been proven as hoaxes. Those 'iconic' images have been viewed round the world, but sadly the truth about them is slow to get reported or rebuttals issued by papers that have used them.

Hamas has been found by HR and UN to be guilty of violations including the death of civilians by using them as human shields. They have also killed many with 'accidents' and rockets that fall short. Add to the the failure of infrastructure and services while they build illegal tunnels into egypt and Israel.

In case it was missed, Egypt has destroyed tens of thousands of homes in the sinai. It is not just Israel. The homes are illegal or don't meet building standards. Some were used for smuggling. Egypt is clearing out the region.
Egypt finally opened the crossing on a temporary and limited basis. We shall see if hamas can keep the peace.

 

[montelatici]

These are the nice Zionists are they not hostile maniacs?

You really are gullible aren't you freddy boy, did you see that they wore fake IDF uniforms and carried ak47's. Any thing that racially attacks the Jews you believe and then claim that it is propaganda when it is shown to be false

Many images of IDF abuse of palestinians, even pointing guns as women and children have in large part been proven as hoaxes. Those 'iconic' images have been viewed round the world, but sadly the truth about them is slow to get reported or rebuttals issued by papers that have used them.

Hamas has been found by HR and UN to be guilty of violations including the death of civilians by using them as human shields. They have also killed many with 'accidents' and rockets that fall short. Add to the the failure of infrastructure and services while they build illegal tunnels into egypt and Israel.

In case it was missed, Egypt has destroyed tens of thousands of homes in the sinai. It is not just Israel. The homes are illegal or don't meet building standards. Some were used for smuggling. Egypt is clearing out the region.
Egypt finally opened the crossing on a temporary and limited basis. We shall see if hamas can keep the peace.

 

[fanger]

Tel Aviv moves to block release of UN report on Israeli war crimes
Tel Aviv seeks to prevent the release of the findings of a UN investigation into Israeli war crimes against Palestinians in Gaza, with the prime minister of the regime labeling such a move as a “waste of time.”

Addressing Israeli ministers on Sunday, Benjamin Netanyahu claimed that “whoever wants a baseless automatic accusation against Israel can waste their time reading the UN report.”

The UN Human Rights Council (HRC) is due later in June to publish the findings of the probe into Tel Aviv’s war crimes during the latest Israeli military aggression against the blockaded Gaza Strip in the summer of 2014.

The remarks by Netanyahu signal Tel Aviv’s attempt to preempt the release of the findings, which was postponed in March.

The Israeli premier also blamed the Palestinian resistance movement Hamas for civilian casualties in the Gaza war.

On Sunday, Israel issued its own report on the latest war, defending its crimes against the people of Gaza. The report cites Western leaders who have expressed support for the military action. It also claims that Israel did its utmost to avoid civilian casualties in the war.

Tel Aviv has boycotted the HRC investigators. The regime took a similar action when the council probed its 2008-9 war on Gaza. Israel was accused of war crimes after the previous inquiry.
PressTV-Israel moves to block UN war crimes report

Government-sanctioned report is released as ‘pre-emptive strike’ ahead of international UN report due to come out this month; authors say report provides evidence to justify Israel’s decision to launch war in Gaza based on international law.
At least 44 percent of the 2,125 Palestinians killed during Operation Protective Edge in Gaza last summer were identified by the IDF as armed fighters belonging to Hamas or other terror organizations in the Strip, according to an Israeli report released Sunday.

The Foreign Ministry’s report presents Israel’s diplomatic, military and legal positions on the events of Protective Edge, ahead of the release of a UN committee’s report on Monday.

The international report will only be presented to the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva on June 29, but the two warring sides, as well the members of the UN Security Council, will receive a copy of it this week.
Here’s a photo of the ‘terrorists’ they speak of

THE JUSTIFIED HOLOCAUST Desertpeace

 

[fanger]

Israel’s UN Mission Accused of Deceiving NY Member States

The permanent Israeli mission at the UN was accused, on Saturday, of misleading envoys of permanent missions of other member states in New York.
An official at one of the permanent missions for a European country told Days of Palestine that the Israeli mission had circulated misleading information about its human rights record in occupied Palestine.

“We received emails from the Israeli mission, including direct instructions, which is against our sovereignty as a state, not to believe the recent Human Rights Watch report and rely only on two organisations they recommended,” the official said.

“When we googled these NGOs, we knew that they were Israelis,” the official, who preferred to keep the name of his Western-European country unknown, added.

He further criticised the Israeli behaviour at the UN, which is often supported by the United States. “We are disgusted in some of the European countries about what Israel and the US are doing,” he said, “It is rather shameful that Israel attempts to mislead us.”

Showing his anger while speaking to Days of Palestine, he said: “Israel should understand that European countries have certain red lines when it comes to Human rights. We cannot stand with Israel when it comes to human rights violations such as killing children in Gaza and before in Lebanon.

“There is now more awareness among member states at the UN, where they do not take the Israeli account unquestioned.

Israel s UN Mission Accused of Deceiving NY Member States - International Middle East Media Center

 

[Phoenall]

These are the nice Zionists are they not hostile maniacs?

You really are gullible aren't you freddy boy, did you see that they wore fake IDF uniforms and carried ak47's. Any thing that racially attacks the Jews you believe and then claim that it is propaganda when it is shown to be false

Many images of IDF abuse of palestinians, even pointing guns as women and children have in large part been proven as hoaxes. Those 'iconic' images have been viewed round the world, but sadly the truth about them is slow to get reported or rebuttals issued by papers that have used them.

Hamas has been found by HR and UN to be guilty of violations including the death of civilians by using them as human shields. They have also killed many with 'accidents' and rockets that fall short. Add to the the failure of infrastructure and services while they build illegal tunnels into egypt and Israel.

In case it was missed, Egypt has destroyed tens of thousands of homes in the sinai. It is not just Israel. The homes are illegal or don't meet building standards. Some were used for smuggling. Egypt is clearing out the region.
Egypt finally opened the crossing on a temporary and limited basis. We shall see if hamas can keep the peace.

Many of the pieces are pure pallywood, as can be seen by the weapons carried and the uniforms worn, it is all islamomoron propaganda from "Palestinian sources"

 

[Phoenall]

Tel Aviv moves to block release of UN report on Israeli war crimes
Tel Aviv seeks to prevent the release of the findings of a UN investigation into Israeli war crimes against Palestinians in Gaza, with the prime minister of the regime labeling such a move as a “waste of time.”

Addressing Israeli ministers on Sunday, Benjamin Netanyahu claimed that “whoever wants a baseless automatic accusation against Israel can waste their time reading the UN report.”

The UN Human Rights Council (HRC) is due later in June to publish the findings of the probe into Tel Aviv’s war crimes during the latest Israeli military aggression against the blockaded Gaza Strip in the summer of 2014.

The remarks by Netanyahu signal Tel Aviv’s attempt to preempt the release of the findings, which was postponed in March.

The Israeli premier also blamed the Palestinian resistance movement Hamas for civilian casualties in the Gaza war.

On Sunday, Israel issued its own report on the latest war, defending its crimes against the people of Gaza. The report cites Western leaders who have expressed support for the military action. It also claims that Israel did its utmost to avoid civilian casualties in the war.

Tel Aviv has boycotted the HRC investigators. The regime took a similar action when the council probed its 2008-9 war on Gaza. Israel was accused of war crimes after the previous inquiry.
PressTV-Israel moves to block UN war crimes report

Government-sanctioned report is released as ‘pre-emptive strike’ ahead of international UN report due to come out this month; authors say report provides evidence to justify Israel’s decision to launch war in Gaza based on international law.
At least 44 percent of the 2,125 Palestinians killed during Operation Protective Edge in Gaza last summer were identified by the IDF as armed fighters belonging to Hamas or other terror organizations in the Strip, according to an Israeli report released Sunday.

The Foreign Ministry’s report presents Israel’s diplomatic, military and legal positions on the events of Protective Edge, ahead of the release of a UN committee’s report on Monday.

The international report will only be presented to the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva on June 29, but the two warring sides, as well the members of the UN Security Council, will receive a copy of it this week.
Here’s a photo of the ‘terrorists’ they speak of

THE JUSTIFIED HOLOCAUST Desertpeace

You are too late as the ICC released its findings over a month ago and they said that they were not going to pursue Israel for war crimes. They also said that the Palestinians were guilty of war crimes and they would look into this further. This prompted Abu Mazen to drop the case and admit defeat again.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel’s UN Mission Accused of Deceiving NY Member States

The permanent Israeli mission at the UN was accused, on Saturday, of misleading envoys of permanent missions of other member states in New York.
An official at one of the permanent missions for a European country told Days of Palestine that the Israeli mission had circulated misleading information about its human rights record in occupied Palestine.

“We received emails from the Israeli mission, including direct instructions, which is against our sovereignty as a state, not to believe the recent Human Rights Watch report and rely only on two organisations they recommended,” the official said.

“When we googled these NGOs, we knew that they were Israelis,” the official, who preferred to keep the name of his Western-European country unknown, added.

He further criticised the Israeli behaviour at the UN, which is often supported by the United States. “We are disgusted in some of the European countries about what Israel and the US are doing,” he said, “It is rather shameful that Israel attempts to mislead us.”

Showing his anger while speaking to Days of Palestine, he said: “Israel should understand that European countries have certain red lines when it comes to Human rights. We cannot stand with Israel when it comes to human rights violations such as killing children in Gaza and before in Lebanon.

“There is now more awareness among member states at the UN, where they do not take the Israeli account unquestioned.

Israel s UN Mission Accused of Deceiving NY Member States - International Middle East Media Center

Unknown diplomat from a country not named points to this being islamomoron propaganda fiction

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Tel Aviv moves to block release of UN report on Israeli war crimes
Tel Aviv seeks to prevent the release of the findings of a UN investigation into Israeli war crimes against Palestinians in Gaza, with the prime minister of the regime labeling such a move as a “waste of time.”

Addressing Israeli ministers on Sunday, Benjamin Netanyahu claimed that “whoever wants a baseless automatic accusation against Israel can waste their time reading the UN report.”

The UN Human Rights Council (HRC) is due later in June to publish the findings of the probe into Tel Aviv’s war crimes during the latest Israeli military aggression against the blockaded Gaza Strip in the summer of 2014.

The remarks by Netanyahu signal Tel Aviv’s attempt to preempt the release of the findings, which was postponed in March.

The Israeli premier also blamed the Palestinian resistance movement Hamas for civilian casualties in the Gaza war.

On Sunday, Israel issued its own report on the latest war, defending its crimes against the people of Gaza. The report cites Western leaders who have expressed support for the military action. It also claims that Israel did its utmost to avoid civilian casualties in the war.

Tel Aviv has boycotted the HRC investigators. The regime took a similar action when the council probed its 2008-9 war on Gaza. Israel was accused of war crimes after the previous inquiry.
PressTV-Israel moves to block UN war crimes report

Government-sanctioned report is released as ‘pre-emptive strike’ ahead of international UN report due to come out this month; authors say report provides evidence to justify Israel’s decision to launch war in Gaza based on international law.
At least 44 percent of the 2,125 Palestinians killed during Operation Protective Edge in Gaza last summer were identified by the IDF as armed fighters belonging to Hamas or other terror organizations in the Strip, according to an Israeli report released Sunday.

The Foreign Ministry’s report presents Israel’s diplomatic, military and legal positions on the events of Protective Edge, ahead of the release of a UN committee’s report on Monday.

The international report will only be presented to the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva on June 29, but the two warring sides, as well the members of the UN Security Council, will receive a copy of it this week.
Here’s a photo of the ‘terrorists’ they speak of

THE JUSTIFIED HOLOCAUST Desertpeace

You can blame Hamas for these deaths. 50 million people died in WW2 to defeat evil. I'm sure there were some German civilian deaths. So should WW2 not have been fought?

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Fortunately, that is an irrelevant question. We are not dealing with the racial issues of the Boers and South African politics. We are talking about the Arab Palestinians that took a solemn oath to further Jihad.

Just as the non-whites were citizens of the Bantustans in South Africa. Good move. How far did it get the Boers?

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian people represent a clear and present danger to the safety, security and sovereignty of the State of Israel and it citizenry. In the last seven decades, that Arab Palestinian has promoted violence and maintained the policy that "Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem" and that "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."

It is what it is. Every single week we hear the voice of the Hostile Arab Palestinians attempt to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression.

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, the hostile European colonists went to Palestine to eliminate and/or evict the people living in Palestine, should the Christians and Muslims not try to regain their land and homes?

How about posting some evidence of your racist claims then freddy boy, as you seem to be ignoring these requests. As for their homes they had none or they would have produce title deeds by now

False argument.

A house is a piece of property.

A home is where people live.

They do not necessarily coincide.

No a valid argument as it shows that they had no property and are lying about living there. How can some 20 year old claim to have lived in Israel prior to 1967 ?

Israelis don't own any land either. So can we say that they have no rights to Israel.

93% of the land in Israel is in the public domain; that is, either property of the state, the Jewish National Fund (JNF) or the Development Authority.
The Israel Land Authority (ILA) is the government agency responsible for managing this land which comprises 4,820,500 acres (19,508,000 dunams). "Ownership" of real estate in Israel usually means leasing rights from the ILA for 49 or 98 years.

Israel Land Authority​

It is said that Palestinians did not own land so they have no right to a state.

Well...???

 

[RoccoR]

(OFF-TOPIC)
P F Tinmore, et al,

Again we slid off-track here.

Israelis don't own any land either. So can we say that they have no rights to Israel.

93% of the land in Israel is in the public domain; that is, either property of the state, the Jewish National Fund (JNF) or the Development Authority.
The Israel Land Authority (ILA) is the government agency responsible for managing this land which comprises 4,820,500 acres (19,508,000 dunams). "Ownership" of real estate in Israel usually means leasing rights from the ILA for 49 or 98 years.

Israel Land Authority​

It is said that Palestinians did not own land so they have no right to a state.

Well...???

(COMMENT)

Establishing ownership via private and civil real estate processes are altogether different from establishing sovereignty through the right of self-determination.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

(OFF-TOPIC)
P F Tinmore, et al,

Again we slid off-track here.

Israelis don't own any land either. So can we say that they have no rights to Israel.

93% of the land in Israel is in the public domain; that is, either property of the state, the Jewish National Fund (JNF) or the Development Authority.
The Israel Land Authority (ILA) is the government agency responsible for managing this land which comprises 4,820,500 acres (19,508,000 dunams). "Ownership" of real estate in Israel usually means leasing rights from the ILA for 49 or 98 years.

Israel Land Authority​

It is said that Palestinians did not own land so they have no right to a state.

Well...???

(COMMENT)

Establishing ownership via private and civil real estate processes are altogether different from establishing sovereignty through the right of self-determination.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, but Israeli propagandists are always bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights.

My point has always been that the rights belong to the habitual residents.

BTW, have you checked out my link yet?

UNHCR - Draft Articles on Nationality of Natural Persons in relation to the Succession of States with commentaries 1999

Article 4. Prevention of statelessness
States concerned shall take all appropriate meas-
ures to prevent persons who, on the date of the succes-
sion of States, had the nationality of the predecessor
State from becoming stateless as a result of such
succession.

 

[toastman]

(OFF-TOPIC)
P F Tinmore, et al,

Again we slid off-track here.

Israelis don't own any land either. So can we say that they have no rights to Israel.

93% of the land in Israel is in the public domain; that is, either property of the state, the Jewish National Fund (JNF) or the Development Authority.
The Israel Land Authority (ILA) is the government agency responsible for managing this land which comprises 4,820,500 acres (19,508,000 dunams). "Ownership" of real estate in Israel usually means leasing rights from the ILA for 49 or 98 years.

Israel Land Authority​

It is said that Palestinians did not own land so they have no right to a state.

Well...???

(COMMENT)

Establishing ownership via private and civil real estate processes are altogether different from establishing sovereignty through the right of self-determination.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, but Israeli propagandists are always bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights.

My point has always been that the rights belong to the habitual residents.

BTW, have you checked out my link yet?

UNHCR - Draft Articles on Nationality of Natural Persons in relation to the Succession of States with commentaries 1999

Article 4. Prevention of statelessness
States concerned shall take all appropriate meas-
ures to prevent persons who, on the date of the succes-
sion of States, had the nationality of the predecessor
State from becoming stateless as a result of such
succession.

"bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights."

Bullshit, no one ever says they didn't have rights because of land ownership, no sovereignty etc.... You've made this false accusation before.

 

[Slyhunter]

(OFF-TOPIC)
P F Tinmore, et al,

Again we slid off-track here.

Israelis don't own any land either. So can we say that they have no rights to Israel.

93% of the land in Israel is in the public domain; that is, either property of the state, the Jewish National Fund (JNF) or the Development Authority.
The Israel Land Authority (ILA) is the government agency responsible for managing this land which comprises 4,820,500 acres (19,508,000 dunams). "Ownership" of real estate in Israel usually means leasing rights from the ILA for 49 or 98 years.

Israel Land Authority​

It is said that Palestinians did not own land so they have no right to a state.

Well...???

(COMMENT)

Establishing ownership via private and civil real estate processes are altogether different from establishing sovereignty through the right of self-determination.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, but Israeli propagandists are always bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights.

My point has always been that the rights belong to the habitual residents.

BTW, have you checked out my link yet?

UNHCR - Draft Articles on Nationality of Natural Persons in relation to the Succession of States with commentaries 1999

Article 4. Prevention of statelessness
States concerned shall take all appropriate meas-
ures to prevent persons who, on the date of the succes-
sion of States, had the nationality of the predecessor
State from becoming stateless as a result of such
succession.

"bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights."

Bullshit, no one ever says they didn't have rights because of land ownership, no sovereignty etc.... You've made this false accusation before.

right of return, rights, they get the two confused with one another.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

(COMMENT)
Establishing ownership via private and civil real estate processes are altogether different from establishing sovereignty through the right of self-determination.

Indeed, but Israeli propagandists are always bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights.

My point has always been that the rights belong to the habitual residents.

BTW, have you checked out my link yet?

UNHCR - Draft Articles on Nationality of Natural Persons in relation to the Succession of States with commentaries 1999

Article 4. Prevention of statelessness
States concerned shall take all appropriate meas-
ures to prevent persons who, on the date of the succes-
sion of States, had the nationality of the predecessor
State from becoming stateless as a result of such
succession.

(COMMENT)

You will notice that the first word in the title is "DRAFT." This DRAFT is over a decade old --- very old and unlikely to achieve adoption any time in the near future. It has no veracity or standing in this issue. It is simply one of many law concepts that was suggested and not accepted. But more importantly, even if this was a law ---- made law in 1999, a decade after the State of Palestine Independence; 3 decades after the Six-Day War; a half century after the Israeli War of Independence and the adoption of the Partition Plan; and 8 decades after the Allied Powers at San Remo decided to reconstitute the Jewish National Home. (It is still not law; because the DRAFT doesn't adequately reflect how it works in the real-world; at least not yet.)

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Kondor3]

(OFF-TOPIC)
P F Tinmore, et al,

Again we slid off-track here.

Israelis don't own any land either. So can we say that they have no rights to Israel.

93% of the land in Israel is in the public domain; that is, either property of the state, the Jewish National Fund (JNF) or the Development Authority.
The Israel Land Authority (ILA) is the government agency responsible for managing this land which comprises 4,820,500 acres (19,508,000 dunams). "Ownership" of real estate in Israel usually means leasing rights from the ILA for 49 or 98 years.

Israel Land Authority​

It is said that Palestinians did not own land so they have no right to a state.

Well...???

(COMMENT)

Establishing ownership via private and civil real estate processes are altogether different from establishing sovereignty through the right of self-determination.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, but Israeli propagandists are always bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights.

My point has always been that the rights belong to the habitual residents.

BTW, have you checked out my link yet?

UNHCR - Draft Articles on Nationality of Natural Persons in relation to the Succession of States with commentaries 1999

Article 4. Prevention of statelessness
States concerned shall take all appropriate meas-
ures to prevent persons who, on the date of the succes-
sion of States, had the nationality of the predecessor
State from becoming stateless as a result of such
succession.

Trouble with that is, it's not retroactive... no ex post facto...

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

(COMMENT)
Establishing ownership via private and civil real estate processes are altogether different from establishing sovereignty through the right of self-determination.

Indeed, but Israeli propagandists are always bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights.

My point has always been that the rights belong to the habitual residents.

BTW, have you checked out my link yet?

UNHCR - Draft Articles on Nationality of Natural Persons in relation to the Succession of States with commentaries 1999

Article 4. Prevention of statelessness
States concerned shall take all appropriate meas-
ures to prevent persons who, on the date of the succes-
sion of States, had the nationality of the predecessor
State from becoming stateless as a result of such
succession.

(COMMENT)

You will notice that the first word in the title is "DRAFT." This DRAFT is over a decade old --- very old and unlikely to achieve adoption any time in the near future. It has no veracity or standing in this issue. It is simply one of many law concepts that was suggested and not accepted. But more importantly, even if this was a law ---- made law in 1999, a decade after the State of Palestine Independence; 3 decades after the Six-Day War; a half century after the Israeli War of Independence and the adoption of the Partition Plan; and 8 decades after the Allied Powers at San Remo decided to reconstitute the Jewish National Home. (It is still not law; because the DRAFT doesn't adequately reflect how it works in the real-world; at least not yet.)

Most Respectfully,
R

This may be 1999 but the legal concepts are a hundred years old. They are attempting to define and refine old principles. So don't try to imply that these are new ideas.

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The Palestinians are stateless due to politics not law. Or, I would say, due to the violation of law.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

(COMMENT)
Establishing ownership via private and civil real estate processes are altogether different from establishing sovereignty through the right of self-determination.

Indeed, but Israeli propagandists are always bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights.

My point has always been that the rights belong to the habitual residents.

BTW, have you checked out my link yet?

UNHCR - Draft Articles on Nationality of Natural Persons in relation to the Succession of States with commentaries 1999

Article 4. Prevention of statelessness
States concerned shall take all appropriate meas-
ures to prevent persons who, on the date of the succes-
sion of States, had the nationality of the predecessor
State from becoming stateless as a result of such
succession.

(COMMENT)

You will notice that the first word in the title is "DRAFT." This DRAFT is over a decade old --- very old and unlikely to achieve adoption any time in the near future. It has no veracity or standing in this issue. It is simply one of many law concepts that was suggested and not accepted. But more importantly, even if this was a law ---- made law in 1999, a decade after the State of Palestine Independence; 3 decades after the Six-Day War; a half century after the Israeli War of Independence and the adoption of the Partition Plan; and 8 decades after the Allied Powers at San Remo decided to reconstitute the Jewish National Home. (It is still not law; because the DRAFT doesn't adequately reflect how it works in the real-world; at least not yet.)

Most Respectfully,
R

This may be 1999 but the legal concepts are a hundred years old. They are attempting to define and refine old principles. So don't try to imply that these are new ideas.

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The Palestinians are stateless due to politics not law. Or, I would say, due to the violation of law.

They are stateless because of the ignorance of their government.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

(COMMENT)
Establishing ownership via private and civil real estate processes are altogether different from establishing sovereignty through the right of self-determination.

Indeed, but Israeli propagandists are always bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights.

My point has always been that the rights belong to the habitual residents.

BTW, have you checked out my link yet?

UNHCR - Draft Articles on Nationality of Natural Persons in relation to the Succession of States with commentaries 1999

Article 4. Prevention of statelessness
States concerned shall take all appropriate meas-
ures to prevent persons who, on the date of the succes-
sion of States, had the nationality of the predecessor
State from becoming stateless as a result of such
succession.

(COMMENT)

You will notice that the first word in the title is "DRAFT." This DRAFT is over a decade old --- very old and unlikely to achieve adoption any time in the near future. It has no veracity or standing in this issue. It is simply one of many law concepts that was suggested and not accepted. But more importantly, even if this was a law ---- made law in 1999, a decade after the State of Palestine Independence; 3 decades after the Six-Day War; a half century after the Israeli War of Independence and the adoption of the Partition Plan; and 8 decades after the Allied Powers at San Remo decided to reconstitute the Jewish National Home. (It is still not law; because the DRAFT doesn't adequately reflect how it works in the real-world; at least not yet.)

Most Respectfully,
R

This may be 1999 but the legal concepts are a hundred years old. They are attempting to define and refine old principles. So don't try to imply that these are new ideas.

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The Palestinians are stateless due to politics not law. Or, I would say, due to the violation of law.

They are stateless because of the ignorance of their government.

Indeed, and they have never been allowed to choose their own government. It has always been imposed on them by foreigners.

 

[Slyhunter]

P F Tinmore, et al,

(COMMENT)
Establishing ownership via private and civil real estate processes are altogether different from establishing sovereignty through the right of self-determination.

Indeed, but Israeli propagandists are always bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights.

My point has always been that the rights belong to the habitual residents.

BTW, have you checked out my link yet?

UNHCR - Draft Articles on Nationality of Natural Persons in relation to the Succession of States with commentaries 1999

Article 4. Prevention of statelessness
States concerned shall take all appropriate meas-
ures to prevent persons who, on the date of the succes-
sion of States, had the nationality of the predecessor
State from becoming stateless as a result of such
succession.

(COMMENT)

You will notice that the first word in the title is "DRAFT." This DRAFT is over a decade old --- very old and unlikely to achieve adoption any time in the near future. It has no veracity or standing in this issue. It is simply one of many law concepts that was suggested and not accepted. But more importantly, even if this was a law ---- made law in 1999, a decade after the State of Palestine Independence; 3 decades after the Six-Day War; a half century after the Israeli War of Independence and the adoption of the Partition Plan; and 8 decades after the Allied Powers at San Remo decided to reconstitute the Jewish National Home. (It is still not law; because the DRAFT doesn't adequately reflect how it works in the real-world; at least not yet.)

Most Respectfully,
R

This may be 1999 but the legal concepts are a hundred years old. They are attempting to define and refine old principles. So don't try to imply that these are new ideas.

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The Palestinians are stateless due to politics not law. Or, I would say, due to the violation of law.

They are stateless because of the ignorance of their government.

Indeed, and they have never been allowed to choose their own government. It has always been imposed on them by foreigners.

Must suck to be them. They should go back to their own countries; Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, etc.

 

[Kondor3]

P F Tinmore, et al,

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Establishing ownership via private and civil real estate processes are altogether different from establishing sovereignty through the right of self-determination.

Indeed, but Israeli propagandists are always bringing the lack of land ownership of the Palestinians as proof that they have no rights.

My point has always been that the rights belong to the habitual residents.

BTW, have you checked out my link yet?

UNHCR - Draft Articles on Nationality of Natural Persons in relation to the Succession of States with commentaries 1999

Article 4. Prevention of statelessness
States concerned shall take all appropriate meas-
ures to prevent persons who, on the date of the succes-
sion of States, had the nationality of the predecessor
State from becoming stateless as a result of such
succession.

(COMMENT)

You will notice that the first word in the title is "DRAFT." This DRAFT is over a decade old --- very old and unlikely to achieve adoption any time in the near future. It has no veracity or standing in this issue. It is simply one of many law concepts that was suggested and not accepted. But more importantly, even if this was a law ---- made law in 1999, a decade after the State of Palestine Independence; 3 decades after the Six-Day War; a half century after the Israeli War of Independence and the adoption of the Partition Plan; and 8 decades after the Allied Powers at San Remo decided to reconstitute the Jewish National Home. (It is still not law; because the DRAFT doesn't adequately reflect how it works in the real-world; at least not yet.)

Most Respectfully,
R

This may be 1999 but the legal concepts are a hundred years old. They are attempting to define and refine old principles. So don't try to imply that these are new ideas.

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

The Palestinians are stateless due to politics not law. Or, I would say, due to the violation of law.

They are stateless because of the ignorance of their government.

They are stateless because they were too ignorant to form and hold a government, until it was too late - decades too late.

You snooze, you lose.