ICE arresting more innocent people than criminals. Up 800% more under Trump!

[Luckyone]

Nonsense

You obviously hate America for electing Trump

wrong. I understand why he was elected, then again Chavez was elected in Venezuela and look what that brought.

I do hate anything that hurts my country, but not specifically anyone that made a bad choise.

I do not hate you (for example), though you are on the opposite side of what I believe. I do not debase anyone (other than Trump) and I dare you to prove me wrong.

 

[multivita-man]

Illegals have fewer rights under the Constitution than American citizens

I could probably agree with this.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

That's not correct (at least it hasn't been until now). Basic civil liberties under the Constitution are (at least in theory) supposed to apply to all people. The right to be secure in one's person from unreasonable searches and seizures, the right to legal representation, due process, etc...apply to all people.

It is true that it applies differently in the case of illegal aliens because the United States government has the power to determine which foreign nationals it permits into the country. The government's powers generally outweigh the illegal migrant's rights but not completely so.

Unfortunately, this Supreme Court has taken a rather novel approach not only to the separation of powers and civil liberties alike.

Save it. I know better and you do too but you're trying so hard

 

[multivita-man]

Save it. I know better and you do too but you're trying so hard

Yeah lol. Are you an immigration judge or something?

 

[Mac-7]

wrong. I understand why he was elected, then again Chavez was elected in Venezuela and look what that brought.

I do hate anything that hurts my country, but not specifically anyone that made a bad choise.

I do not hate you (for example), though you are on the opposite side of what I believe. I do not debase anyone (other than Trump) and I dare you to prove me wrong.

America is doing much better under trump

As for you being the exception to the rule, that applies to all the trump haters who are the Lake Wobegon of politics

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Yeah lol. Are you an immigration judge or something?

I just know better. You should but you're a left loon... basically clueless

 

[Hellokitty]

Please don't do this. Generative AI is not a source; it's the large language model output based on whatever words you type.



I agree that MAGA Jesus is playing fast and loose with the Constitution, but your post wasn't very persuasive. One, because you didn't really put much original thought into it, and two, you conflated the rights of citizens with many others who entered the country illegally and thus, don't have legal status.

They are entitled to basic human rights as detainees, though. Maybe you could focus on the reported conditions in many of these detention centers and ask if the posters here would want to find themselves in that position if they ever traveled abroad. I tend to think not.

Do you have an example of millions of US citizens illegally entering a country, or even millions of US citizens committing non-violent crimes that other countries are ignoring?

 

[Lisa558]

I do not care about the statistics. Our country was built and became great because of our Constitution. Why are you not defending it?

HOLD THE PHONE!

Didn’t you just say a couple of posts up that AI relies on statistics?!

And now, when I give you the statistics involving how much illegals cost us, you “don’t care about statistics?”

You need to be more clear: You don’t care about statistics when they refute your leftist argument.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

HOLD THE PHONE!

Didn’t you just say a couple of posts up that AI relies on statistics?!

And now, when I give you the statistics involving how much illegals cost us, you “don’t care about statistics?”

You need to be more clear: You don’t care about statistics when they refute your leftist argument.

Well that's inconvenient

 

[Luckyone]

You mean you’re not interested in FACTS?

I am not interested in facts that are not addressing the OP. For example, Cancer kills people (Fact) but what does that have to do with the OP?

You just deflected by ignoring I pointed out your lie, and switched to trying to out me on the defensive. To recap:

YOU said that illegals contribute to our society, with the obvious implication that they are good for us.

Many of them are good for us. Prove me wrong. I dare you.

I pointed out that they cost us a net of $150 billion a year, ruin the public schools where they settle, and drive up the cost of rents on modest-income working class Americans.

You can always "cherry pick" a negative but whether they help or hurt us economically is not something that is clear. There are two opposing views and nothing concrete:

Studies on the economic effects of undocumented immigration have produced varying conclusions, highlighting the complexity and multi-faceted nature of this issue. Some studies suggest a relatively small overall impact on the wages of native-born workers, with potential negative effects concentrated on certain groups. Others emphasize the contributions of undocumented immigrants to the economy through labor, entrepreneurship, and tax payments.

So I repeat: why do you side with foreigners who broke out lees over honest, working-class Americans?

You make the same mistake that every Trump supporter makes. You do not understand the OP and think the worst for it.

This OP clearly states that the subject of the OP is about human and legal rights that every human being has and supports. I am not about siding with anyone (foreigners or Americans). I am siding with the Constitution and the rights we all have.

 

[Lisa558]

wrong. I understand why he was elected, then again Chavez was elected in Venezuela and look what that brought.

I do hate anything that hurts my country, but not specifically anyone that made a bad choise.

I do not hate you (for example), though you are on the opposite side of what I believe. I do not debase anyone (other than Trump) and I dare you to prove me wrong.

OMG. NY leftists are about to elect a Communist as mayor, and this libtard is drawing comparisons between Trump and Chavez?

 

[multivita-man]

I just know better. You should but you're a left loon... basically clueless

 

[Lisa558]

Well that's inconvenient

You’d think that if these leftists were going to reveal their double standards, they’d at least let five minutes pass before they post something that contradicts what they just said.

(They’re not very smart, are they?)

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You don’t really see them these days, because survivors are in their 90s, but when I was a young adult 40 years ago, I used to see them all the time since they would have been only in their 50s at the time and were out in the working world.

I saw them just after the war. Many came to New York. Some had been the victim of torturous medical experiments.

 

[Mac-7]

OMG. NY leftists are about to elect a Communist as mayor, and this libtard is drawing comparisons between Trump and Chavez?

Thats an excellent point

Libs see no difference between trump and any of the worst monsters in human history

Its why they think and sound so irrational

 

[Luckyone]

HOLD THE PHONE!

Didn’t you just say a couple of posts up that AI relies on statistics?!

And now, when I give you the statistics involving how much illegals cost us, you “don’t care about statistics?”

You need to be more clear: You don’t care about statistics when they refute your leftist argument.

This OP is NOT about statistics, it is about human and legal rights. There are no statistics that apply here.

Here is the only thing that applies in this OP:

 

[BrokeLoser]

That's not correct (at least it hasn't been until now). Basic civil liberties under the Constitution are (at least in theory) supposed to apply to all people. The right to be secure in one's person from unreasonable searches and seizures, the right to legal representation, due process, etc...apply to all people.

It is true that it applies differently in the case of illegal aliens because the United States government has the power to determine which foreign nationals it permits into the country. The government's powers generally outweigh the illegal migrant's rights but not completely so.

Unfortunately, this Supreme Court has taken a rather novel approach not only to the separation of powers and civil liberties alike.

If they have rights, why can’t alien enemies vote or buy/own guns?
One either has rights or they don’t.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Grow up. Seriously,

 

[Thinker101]

I do not HATE America. I love it and put my life at risk for it. I hate a lack of morals, ethics, principles and humanity and given that Trump has none of them, I do hate TRUMP. Big difference

 

[Luckyone]

OMG. NY leftists are about to elect a Communist as mayor, and this libtard is drawing comparisons between Trump and Chavez?

Again, you are WRONG again. I am an Independent (not a leftist). In fact, I was a Republican for 35 years and do support many of the things the Right stands for. I do not support ANY extreme though.