ICE arresting more innocent people than criminals. Up 800% more under Trump!

[Luckyone]

If someone is an Illegal Alien- they aren't "innocent".

If someone has never committed a crime in America- but has a criminal record abroad, they are still a criminal and an undesirable alien.

Do you think that a Venezuelan Child Molester suddenly gives up his paedophilic ways when he crosses the border illegally?

A lot of countries don't allow Americans with criminal records into their countries.

See post #21

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Please don't do this. Generative AI is not a source; it's the large language model output based on whatever words you type.



I agree that MAGA Jesus is playing fast and loose with the Constitution, but your post wasn't very persuasive. One, because you didn't really put much original thought into it, and two, you conflated the rights of citizens with many others who entered the country illegally and thus, don't have legal status.

They are entitled to basic human rights as detainees, though. Maybe you could focus on the reported conditions in many of these detention centers and ask if the posters here would want to find themselves in that position if they ever traveled abroad. I tend to think not.

The Constitution is for United States citizens. Illegals are NOT US citizens. They're illegals and have absolutely no rights

 

[j-mac]

Wow, where’d Lucky go? Man I’m on a roll today.

 

[Hellokitty]

AI Overview

While ICE's primary focus is on non-citizens, there have been instances of U.S. citizens being mistakenly arrested or detained by the agency. While the exact number of American citizens arrested by ICE is difficult to pinpoint, it's been reported that ICE has deported some U.S. citizens erroneously in the past.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Accidental Arrests:
  ICE's enforcement activities can sometimes lead to the arrest of U.S. citizens, either due to mistaken identity or being caught in the crossfire of broader immigration enforcement actions.
  
  
• Erroneous Deportations:
  In the past, some U.S. citizens have been deported by ICE before the error was discovered.

You can place the blame with democrats, starting with the Biden administration for flooding the country with illegals, and followed by all those who are working to block ICE from doing their job.

 

[Luckyone]

Please don't do this. Generative AI is not a source; it's the large language model output based on whatever words you type.



I agree that MAGA Jesus is playing fast and loose with the Constitution, but your post wasn't very persuasive. One, because you didn't really put much original thought into it, and two, you conflated the rights of citizens with many others who entered the country illegally and thus, don't have legal status.

They are entitled to basic human rights as detainees, though. Maybe you could focus on the reported conditions in many of these detention centers and ask if the posters here would want to find themselves in that position if they ever traveled abroad. I tend to think not.

AI is based on data, statistics and known facts. That is why it is the #1 industry in the world right now. If it is not a source, then why are ALL the big companies investing everything they have into it?

 

[Lisa558]

First of all, HATE is a negative feeling that never brings anything good.

Second of all, your post is supporting the OP. You have rights, like being against someone breaking into your home without your consent. Illegal aliens also have rights (according to the Constitution 4th and 5th Amendment). You defend your rights but not those of others?

Thirdly, the OP is not about violent criminals but about immigrants that came here illegally but have done nothing violent. They work, pay taxes and contribute to the U.S. society. True, they came here illegally but they do have rights. You want to take that away from them?

They take more than they contribute to U.S. society. They cost taxpayers a net of $150 billion a year, lower the caliber of schools in the working class neighborhoods they move into, and drive rents up on modest apartments by increasing demand.

On balance, they are a detriment to America, and Americans. Why do you care more about foreigners who violate our laws than honest working-class Americans?

Hint: it’s why your lost the working class vote. They see it.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

AI is based on data, statistics and known facts. That is why it is the #1 industry in the world right now. If it is not a source, then why are ALL the big companies investing everything they have into it?

To dupe you

 

[Luckyone]

You can place the blame with democrats, starting with the Biden administration for flooding the country with illegals, and followed by all those who are working to block ICE from doing their job.

This is not about BLAME. This is about human and legal rights everyone has (throughout time).

 

[Luckyone]

They take more than they contribute to U.S. society. They cost taxpayers a net of $150 billion a year, lower the caliber of schools in the working class neighborhoods they move into, and drive rents up on modest apartments by increasing demand.

On balance, they are a detriment to America, and Americans. Why do you care more about foreigners who violate our laws than honest working-class Americans?

Hint: it’s why your lost the working class vote. They see it.

I do not care about the statistics. Our country was built and became great because of our Constitution. Why are you not defending it?

 

[multivita-man]

Shit, I was trying to help you out here.

AI is based on data, statistics and known facts. That is why it is the #1 industry in the world right now.

What kind of logic is this?

If it is not a source, then why are ALL the big companies investing everything they have into it?

No, AI is not a source. It's like saying Google is a source. AI uses sources to respond to a query to provide you with data, but the data can be literally anything.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

All humans (whether illegal or not) have rights. Those rights include being taken to court to plead their cases. Trump is taking those human rights away.

I am sure that if something like this was happening to you (either here, on when traveling to another country), you would want your legal rights upheld. Or am I wrong?

Someone illegally here has no case. It's not like they can say "I'm innocent. I'm not here,"

 

[Luckyone]

Yep, guess that explains why you HATE America.

I do not HATE America. I love it and put my life at risk for it. I hate a lack of morals, ethics, principles and humanity and given that Trump has none of them, I do hate TRUMP. Big difference

 

[Mac-7]

AI Overview

In fiscal year 2025 (starting October 1, 2024), ICE has arrested a significant number of individuals with no criminal convictions. Data from June indicates that 65% of the over 204,000 people booked into detention had no criminal convictions, according to the Cato Institute. Furthermore, over 93% of those detained had no history of violent offenses, according to the American Immigration Council.

Human and legal rights are being thrown out the window by the Trump administration.

AI Overview

Based on recent news reports and statements from civil rights and human rights organizations, there are concerns and allegations regarding the Trump administration's approach to human and legal rights in 2025. These include:

• Immigration Enforcement: The administration has been accused of adopting policies that disregard due process for immigrants and asylum seekers, including expanding immigration enforcement to target foreign nationals, particularly students and researchers, attempting to end birthright citizenship via executive order, and carrying out mass deportations and raids. A former Department of Justice lawyer, Erez Reuveni, has also accused the Trump administration of ignoring court rulings and pressuring attorneys to prioritize the President's agenda over ethical obligations in deportation cases.
• • Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI): The administration has moved to terminate grants related to DEI programs and prohibit federally-funded entities from engaging in such initiatives, prompting legal challenges.
  • Housing Discrimination: The Department of Housing and Urban Development is reportedly preparing to shut down investigations into housing discrimination and segregation cases.
  • Education: There are concerns about the Trump administration's dismantling of the Education Department's civil rights division and attacks on academic freedom and free expression at universities.
• Targeting of Critics:
  • Law Firms: Some law firms have been targeted with executive orders, facing sanctions like revoked security clearances and restricted access to federal buildings, for their pro bono work or associations with investigations involving President Trump.
  • Media and NGOs: There are concerns about undermining press freedom and the critical role of independent media. The administration has also cut funding to organizations supporting human rights defenders and independent journalists.

Is losing your rights to freedom and justice something that you want? If by any chance, you personally (or a member of your family) get arrested and thrown in jail (or worse, deported) without any chance of defending yourself, would you still be a Trump supporter?

By the way and for all of you that accuse these OP's as being TDS, may I remind you that Trump is doing things that no other U.S. president has done? He is changing the U.S. in ways that are against what our Constitution was built on. Do you honestly think that it should be ignored and Trump allowed to do it, without trying to change it (to the nth degree)?

99.99% of the individuals detained by ICE are in this country illegally

 

[SassyIrishLass]

99.99% of the individuals detained by ICE are in this country illegally

Bbbbuutt.. . something or other

 

[Mac-7]

I do not HATE America. I love it and put my life at risk for it. I hate a lack of morals, ethics, principles and humanity and given that Trump has none of them, I do hate TRUMP. Big difference

Nonsense

You obviously hate America for electing Trump

 

[Luckyone]

Shit, I was trying to help you out here.



What kind of logic is this?

The kind of logic that Capitalism brings to the table.

No, AI is not a source. It's like saying Google is a source. AI uses sources to respond to a query to provide you with data, but the data can be literally anything.

Is AI a credible source of information?

AI can inadvertently perpetuate existing biases present in the data it is trained on (the 'P' in 'GPT' stands for 'pre-trained'). Look for AI tools that have mechanisms in place to detect and mitigate bias. Cross check AI-generated data with data from reliable sources.Nov 1, 2024

AI...What to trust? A guide to AI-generated data use and reliability​

Minnesota Compass
https://www.mncompass.org › data-insights › articles › ai...

 

[multivita-man]

The Constitution is for United States citizens. Illegals are NOT US citizens. They're illegals and have absolutely no rights

That's not correct (at least it hasn't been until now). Basic civil liberties under the Constitution are (at least in theory) supposed to apply to all people. The right to be secure in one's person from unreasonable searches and seizures, the right to legal representation, due process, etc...apply to all people.

It is true that it applies differently in the case of illegal aliens because the United States government has the power to determine which foreign nationals it permits into the country. The government's powers generally outweigh the illegal migrant's rights but not completely so.

Unfortunately, this Supreme Court has taken a rather novel approach not only to the separation of powers and civil liberties alike.

 

[multivita-man]

Cross check AI-generated data with data from reliable sources.

That's more like it.

 

[Lisa558]

I do not care about the statistics. Our country was built and became great because of our Constitution. Why are you not defending it?

You mean you’re not interested in FACTS?

You just deflected by ignoring I pointed out your lie, and switched to trying to out me on the defensive. To recap:

YOU said that illegals contribute to our society, with the obvious implication that they are good for us.

I pointed out that they cost us a net of $150 billion a year, ruin the public schools where they settle, and drive up the cost of rents on modest-income working class Americans.

So I repeat: why do you side with foreigners who broke out lees over honest, working-class Americans?

 

[Mac-7]

That's not correct (at least it hasn't been until now). Basic civil liberties under the Constitution are (at least in theory) supposed to apply to all people. The right to be secure in one's person from unreasonable searches and seizures, the right to legal representation, due process, etc...apply to all people.

It is true that it applies differently in the case of illegal aliens because the United States government has the power to determine which foreign nationals it permits into the country. The government's powers generally outweigh the illegal migrant's rights but not completely so.

Unfortunately, this Supreme Court has taken a rather novel approach not only to the separation of powers and civil liberties alike.

Illegals have fewer rights under the Constitution than American citizens