I will not Bow!

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is misleading, but not entirely untrue.


(COMMENT)

• The proposed borders of resolution 181 never became borders.
  • They were borders for several hours; until the Sun rose and the Arab Armies overran them. As an outcome of battlefield success, what was the Forward Edge of the Battlefield Area (a line known as the FEBA) between the Arab Armies and Israel, essential became the Armistice Lines.

Resolution 181 borders were never recognized by anyone. Israel was attacking Palestinians outside of those borders before its declaration.


The creation of Israel was completely unilateral. The UN had nothing to do with it.


I have never heard of that one before. Got a link?

Armistice lines do not define any land or states.


Control is the operative word. Israeli control of Palestinian land does not make it Israeli land. It makes it Israeli occupied Palestinian land.


I can't find where Israel ever annexed the land that Israel sits on. Got a link?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel was attacking Palestinians outside of those borders before its declaration

You're a liar. They were BOTH attacking each other. The Jewish residents (with European Zionists in the mix) vs. the Arab residents (with Arab soldiers coming in from surrounding countries to help)

You need to stop distorting history if you want the little bit of credibility you have left to remain intact

And nobody was attacking anyone before the Zionist invasion.

You have to place the blame where the blame is due.

 

[pbel]

Resolution 181 borders were never recognized by anyone. Israel was attacking Palestinians outside of those borders before its declaration.


The creation of Israel was completely unilateral. The UN had nothing to do with it.


I have never heard of that one before. Got a link?

Armistice lines do not define any land or states.


Control is the operative word. Israeli control of Palestinian land does not make it Israeli land. It makes it Israeli occupied Palestinian land.


I can't find where Israel ever annexed the land that Israel sits on. Got a link?

Israel was attacking Palestinians outside of those borders before its declaration

You're a liar. They were BOTH attacking each other. The Jewish residents (with European Zionists in the mix) vs. the Arab residents (with Arab soldiers coming in from surrounding countries to help)

You need to stop distorting history if you want the little bit of credibility you have left to remain intact

And nobody was attacking anyone before the Zionist invasion.

You have to place the blame where the blame is due.

I was just thinking that...However, it wasn't the Zionist presence (Or Jews in Palestine) that created the problem, It was the Zionist intent of creating a Jewish State out of their homes...After all Jews lived amongst the Islamists for thousands of years...

 

[toastman]

Resolution 181 borders were never recognized by anyone. Israel was attacking Palestinians outside of those borders before its declaration.


The creation of Israel was completely unilateral. The UN had nothing to do with it.


I have never heard of that one before. Got a link?

Armistice lines do not define any land or states.


Control is the operative word. Israeli control of Palestinian land does not make it Israeli land. It makes it Israeli occupied Palestinian land.


I can't find where Israel ever annexed the land that Israel sits on. Got a link?

Israel was attacking Palestinians outside of those borders before its declaration

You're a liar. They were BOTH attacking each other. The Jewish residents (with European Zionists in the mix) vs. the Arab residents (with Arab soldiers coming in from surrounding countries to help)

You need to stop distorting history if you want the little bit of credibility you have left to remain intact

And nobody was attacking anyone before the Zionist invasion.

You have to place the blame where the blame is due.

Invasion lol!

Go back to school and get your vocabulary in tact. You really sound like a Palestinian Jihadist.

How many time do we have to tell you that it was not an INVASION. The European Jews were INVITED by the RULERS OF THE LAND. Their immigration was FASCILITATED by the BRITISH.

Why does this have to be explained to you over and over and over.

Now, back to the topic, your statement that the Jews attacks Palestinians before Israels declaration is a bullshit statement. Either you are lying, or you have zero knowledge of the events leading up to Israels declaration (mainly between 1936-1947)

Where do you get you information from concerning these events?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel was attacking Palestinians outside of those borders before its declaration

You're a liar. They were BOTH attacking each other. The Jewish residents (with European Zionists in the mix) vs. the Arab residents (with Arab soldiers coming in from surrounding countries to help)

You need to stop distorting history if you want the little bit of credibility you have left to remain intact

And nobody was attacking anyone before the Zionist invasion.

You have to place the blame where the blame is due.

Invasion lol!

Go back to school and get your vocabulary in tact. You really sound like a Palestinian Jihadist.

How many time do we have to tell you that it was not an INVASION. The European Jews were INVITED by the RULERS OF THE LAND. Their immigration was FASCILITATED by the BRITISH.

Why does this have to be explained to you over and over and over.

Now, back to the topic, your statement that the Jews attacks Palestinians before Israels declaration is a bullshit statement. Either you are lying, or you have zero knowledge of the events leading up to Israels declaration (mainly between 1936-1947)

Where do you get you information from concerning these events?

You need to read up.

And get off those Israeli propaganda sites.

 

[toastman]

And nobody was attacking anyone before the Zionist invasion.

You have to place the blame where the blame is due.

Invasion lol!

Go back to school and get your vocabulary in tact. You really sound like a Palestinian Jihadist.

How many time do we have to tell you that it was not an INVASION. The European Jews were INVITED by the RULERS OF THE LAND. Their immigration was FASCILITATED by the BRITISH.

Why does this have to be explained to you over and over and over.

Now, back to the topic, your statement that the Jews attacks Palestinians before Israels declaration is a bullshit statement. Either you are lying, or you have zero knowledge of the events leading up to Israels declaration (mainly between 1936-1947)

Where do you get you information from concerning these events?

You need to read up.

And get off those Israeli propaganda sites.

That's what I thought, you cannot argue my FACTUAL points

And I don't get ANY of my information from propaganda sites.

I showed me where I got my information from concerning events leading up to Israels declaration, but you haven't because you're too scare that I'm going to find information in those links that contradict what you say.

Telling ME that I need to read up on it. No offense, but that's extremely funny coming from you.

So, are you EVER going o show me where you get you information from ??

 

[P F Tinmore]

Invasion lol!

Go back to school and get your vocabulary in tact. You really sound like a Palestinian Jihadist.

How many time do we have to tell you that it was not an INVASION. The European Jews were INVITED by the RULERS OF THE LAND. Their immigration was FASCILITATED by the BRITISH.

Why does this have to be explained to you over and over and over.

Now, back to the topic, your statement that the Jews attacks Palestinians before Israels declaration is a bullshit statement. Either you are lying, or you have zero knowledge of the events leading up to Israels declaration (mainly between 1936-1947)

Where do you get you information from concerning these events?

You need to read up.

And get off those Israeli propaganda sites.

That's what I thought, you cannot argue my FACTUAL points

And I don't get ANY of my information from propaganda sites.

I showed me where I got my information from concerning events leading up to Israels declaration, but you haven't because you're too scare that I'm going to find information in those links that contradict what you say.

Telling ME that I need to read up on it. No offense, but that's extremely funny coming from you.

So, are you EVER going o show me where you get you information from ??

So the Zionists had the help of the British to invade and take over their country.

Well then, that makes it OK.

 

[toastman]

You need to read up.

And get off those Israeli propaganda sites.

That's what I thought, you cannot argue my FACTUAL points

And I don't get ANY of my information from propaganda sites.

I showed me where I got my information from concerning events leading up to Israels declaration, but you haven't because you're too scare that I'm going to find information in those links that contradict what you say.

Telling ME that I need to read up on it. No offense, but that's extremely funny coming from you.

So, are you EVER going o show me where you get you information from ??

So the Zionists had the help of the British to invade and take over their country.

Well then, that makes it OK.

1) There was no country called Palestine during this time. You keep repeating this lie over and over. Nor was their an invasion. I explained to why this is so, and you choose to ignore that.

2) The British had the authority to invite them and fascilitate their immigration. Who were the Palestinians to say weather or not they could come???? It was NOT THEIR COUNTRY.

3) You have now reached expert level in Palestinian propaganda

4) There was no country called Palestine during this time

5) There was no country called Palestine during this time (is there now?? I say no)

6) You STILL haven't shown me where you get your info from concerning the events leading up to Israels declaration, as well as the 1948 Arab - Israeli war.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That's what I thought, you cannot argue my FACTUAL points

And I don't get ANY of my information from propaganda sites.

I showed me where I got my information from concerning events leading up to Israels declaration, but you haven't because you're too scare that I'm going to find information in those links that contradict what you say.

Telling ME that I need to read up on it. No offense, but that's extremely funny coming from you.

So, are you EVER going o show me where you get you information from ??

So the Zionists had the help of the British to invade and take over their country.

Well then, that makes it OK.

1) There was no country called Palestine during this time. You keep repeating this lie over and over. Nor was their an invasion. I explained to why this is so, and you choose to ignore that.

2) The British had the authority to invite them and fascilitate their immigration. Who were the Palestinians to say weather or not they could come???? It was NOT THEIR COUNTRY.

3) You have now reached expert level in Palestinian propaganda

4) There was no country called Palestine during this time

5) There was no country called Palestine during this time (is there now?? I say no)

6) You STILL haven't shown me where you get your info from concerning the events leading up to Israels declaration, as well as the 1948 Arab - Israeli war.

Do you have a link for that?

 

[toastman]

So the Zionists had the help of the British to invade and take over their country.

Well then, that makes it OK.

1) There was no country called Palestine during this time. You keep repeating this lie over and over. Nor was their an invasion. I explained to why this is so, and you choose to ignore that.

2) The British had the authority to invite them and fascilitate their immigration. Who were the Palestinians to say weather or not they could come???? It was NOT THEIR COUNTRY.

3) You have now reached expert level in Palestinian propaganda

4) There was no country called Palestine during this time

5) There was no country called Palestine during this time (is there now?? I say no)

6) You STILL haven't shown me where you get your info from concerning the events leading up to Israels declaration, as well as the 1948 Arab - Israeli war.

Do you have a link for that?

Really?? Again?? This??

You're so funny. You get owned in the previous argument concerning this issue, and the next time it comes up, you pretend it never happened.


When did Palestine become a country?? What day, month and year?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well...

Resolution 181 borders were never recognized by anyone. Israel was attacking Palestinians outside of those borders before its declaration.

(AND)

I have never heard of that one before. Got a link?

(COMMENT)

A decision to admit Israel at the present session would entail serious consequences in still another field: that of the delimitation of the territorial boundaries of the new State. It would be remembered that the 1947 Assembly resolution had allotted the whole of Western Galilee and the Arab towns of Jaffa, Lydda and Ramleh, as well as other Arab areas, to the proposed Arab State. However, the State of Israel now controlled all those territories and there was every indication that the Israeli authorities had no intention of giving them up. Immigrant Jews were being established there exactly as they were being settled in the rest of Israel. It was difficult to distinguish between what the authorities considered part of Israel and what they considered merely temporarily-occupied territory, if such a qualification existed at all in their thinking. To admit Israel before it had given up territories which had not been allotted to it by the Assembly's decision was equivalent to giving it a blank cheque to draw its frontiers wherever it wished. In effect, it meant condoning, by a solemn act of the United Nations, the right of conquest. Moreover, such a decision would be prejudicial to the negotiations on the demarcation of boundaries now in progress under the supervision of the Conciliation Commission.

The Security Council,

Having received and considered the application of Israel for membership in the United Nations,1/

1. Decides in its judgement that Israel is a peace-loving State and is able and willing to carry out the obligations contained in the Charter, and accordingly,

2. Recommends to the General Assembly that it admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

Having received the report of the Security Council on the application of Israel for membership in the United Nations,1/

Noting that, in the judgment of the Security Council, Israel is a peace-loving State and is able and willing to carry out the obligations contained in the Charter,

Noting that the Security Council has recommended to the General Assembly that it admit Israel to membership in the United Nations,

Noting furthermore the declaration by the State of Israel that it "unreservedly accepts the obligations of the United Nations Charter and undertakes to honour them from the day when it becomes a Member of the United Nations",2/

Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 3/ and 11 December 1948 4/ and taking note of the declarations and explanations made by the representative of the Government of Israel 5/ before the ad hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,

The General Assembly,

Acting in discharge of its functions under Article 4 of the Charter and rule 125 of its rules of procedure,

1. Decides that Israel is a peace-loving State which accepts the obligations contained in the Charter and is able and willing to carry out those obligations;

2. Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.

SOURCE: A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949

SOURCE: S/RES/69 (1949) S/1277 4 March 1949

SOURCE: A/AC.24/SR.45 5 May 1949

The creation of Israel was completely unilateral. The UN had nothing to do with it.

(COMMENT)

The General Assembly had to determine first of all the criterion on which to base its decision to admit Israel. Ordinarily, applicant States were merely required to comply with the conditions laid down in Article 4 of the Charter. However, in so far as Israel had actually been created in November 1947 by a resolution of the General Assembly (181 (II)), the Assembly had first to consider the cardinal question of whether the new State in its present structure conformed to the previous decisions affecting it which had been adopted by the United Nations itself.

SOURCE: A/AC.24/SR.45 5 May 1949

Armistice lines do not define any land or states.

(COMMENT)

That is correct. An Armistice Line (a form of Demarcation Line) separate belligerents. The separation was Israel from Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria! NOT Palestine. The Palestinian had no recognized country.

Control is the operative word. Israeli control of Palestinian land does not make it Israeli land. It makes it Israeli occupied Palestinian land.

(COMMENT)

No, there was no recognized occupation of Palestine (it wasn't a country). It was allotted land to Israel.

I can't find where Israel ever annexed the land that Israel sits on. Got a link?

(COMMENT)

Very good. As I said: "Luckily, Israel did not do what Jordan did and annex the West Bank."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

So the Zionists had the help of the British to invade and take over their country.

Well then, that makes it OK.

1) There was no country called Palestine during this time. You keep repeating this lie over and over. Nor was their an invasion. I explained to why this is so, and you choose to ignore that.

2) The British had the authority to invite them and fascilitate their immigration. Who were the Palestinians to say weather or not they could come???? It was NOT THEIR COUNTRY.

3) You have now reached expert level in Palestinian propaganda

4) There was no country called Palestine during this time

5) There was no country called Palestine during this time (is there now?? I say no)

6) You STILL haven't shown me where you get your info from concerning the events leading up to Israels declaration, as well as the 1948 Arab - Israeli war.

Do you have a link for that?

After the 1948 war, Israel was established on a more extensive territory than recommended in the partition plan. By entering into the Armistice Agreement with Egypt in 1949, Israel, demonstrated a sufficient level of stable and effective government of the territory to be recognised as a state by other states and the UN. Israel was effectively and lawfully established as a state, on the armistice territory, by secession from the Mandate of Palestine. A state for the Palestinians living in the Mandate of Palestine was never created and this unrealised goal still constitutes one of the core issues of the conflict.

http://www.diakonia.se/sa/node.asp?node=3142

 

[P F Tinmore]

No, there was no recognized occupation of Palestine (it wasn't a country).

Then what was Egypt and Jordan occupying between 1949 and 1967?

 

[P F Tinmore]

1) There was no country called Palestine during this time. You keep repeating this lie over and over. Nor was their an invasion. I explained to why this is so, and you choose to ignore that.

2) The British had the authority to invite them and fascilitate their immigration. Who were the Palestinians to say weather or not they could come???? It was NOT THEIR COUNTRY.

3) You have now reached expert level in Palestinian propaganda

4) There was no country called Palestine during this time

5) There was no country called Palestine during this time (is there now?? I say no)

6) You STILL haven't shown me where you get your info from concerning the events leading up to Israels declaration, as well as the 1948 Arab - Israeli war.

Do you have a link for that?

After the 1948 war, Israel was established on a more extensive territory than recommended in the partition plan. By entering into the Armistice Agreement with Egypt in 1949, Israel, demonstrated a sufficient level of stable and effective government of the territory to be recognised as a state by other states and the UN. Israel was effectively and lawfully established as a state, on the armistice territory, by secession from the Mandate of Palestine. A state for the Palestinians living in the Mandate of Palestine was never created and this unrealised goal still constitutes one of the core issues of the conflict.

http://www.diakonia.se/sa/node.asp?node=3142

Nice link.

 

[toastman]

Do you have a link for that?

After the 1948 war, Israel was established on a more extensive territory than recommended in the partition plan. By entering into the Armistice Agreement with Egypt in 1949, Israel, demonstrated a sufficient level of stable and effective government of the territory to be recognised as a state by other states and the UN. Israel was effectively and lawfully established as a state, on the armistice territory, by secession from the Mandate of Palestine. A state for the Palestinians living in the Mandate of Palestine was never created and this unrealised goal still constitutes one of the core issues of the conflict.

http://www.diakonia.se/sa/node.asp?node=3142

Nice link.

I just saw that the link didn't work. I copy pasted it before so I had it at hand. IT used to work, and in fact, it's the same link YOU have used many times.

Easy Guide to International Humanitarian Law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

Stop pretending like I or Rocco have never posted that paragraph with the link working

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Just as the link describes.

No, there was no recognized occupation of Palestine (it wasn't a country).

Then what was Egypt and Jordan occupying between 1949 and 1967?

(COMMENT)

It was unincorporated, UN trustee territory allotted for the Arab State. Although it is incorrect to say Jordan occupied it throughout. The West Bank and part of Jerusalem were Annex.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

I just saw that the link didn't work. I copy pasted it before so I had it at hand. IT used to work, and in fact, it's the same link YOU have used many times.

Easy Guide to International Humanitarian Law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

Stop pretending like I or Rocco have never posted that paragraph with the link working

Israel took land, by force, that was not allotted to them in the Mandate.

That's the issue.

It wasn't their land then and it's not their land now.

 

[toastman]

I just saw that the link didn't work. I copy pasted it before so I had it at hand. IT used to work, and in fact, it's the same link YOU have used many times.

Easy Guide to International Humanitarian Law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

Stop pretending like I or Rocco have never posted that paragraph with the link working

Israel took land, by force, that was not allotted to them in the Mandate.

That's the issue.

It wasn't their land then and it's not their land now.

That's not the issue we're discussing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

After the 1948 war, Israel was established on a more extensive territory than recommended in the partition plan. By entering into the Armistice Agreement with Egypt in 1949, Israel, demonstrated a sufficient level of stable and effective government of the territory to be recognised as a state by other states and the UN. Israel was effectively and lawfully established as a state, on the armistice territory, by secession from the Mandate of Palestine. A state for the Palestinians living in the Mandate of Palestine was never created and this unrealised goal still constitutes one of the core issues of the conflict.

http://www.diakonia.se/sa/node.asp?node=3142

Nice link.

I just saw that the link didn't work. I copy pasted it before so I had it at hand. IT used to work, and in fact, it's the same link YOU have used many times.

Easy Guide to International Humanitarian Law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

Stop pretending like I or Rocco have never posted that paragraph with the link working

I know. I was just jerking your chain.

Try this one. It is quite interesting.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

 

[Billo_Really]

That's not the issue we're discussing.

It better not be the Lakers!

 

[toastman]

Nice link.

I just saw that the link didn't work. I copy pasted it before so I had it at hand. IT used to work, and in fact, it's the same link YOU have used many times.

Easy Guide to International Humanitarian Law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

Stop pretending like I or Rocco have never posted that paragraph with the link working

I know. I was just jerking your chain.

Try this one. It is quite interesting.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Thanks