I will not Bow!

[Phoenall]

I agree, Israeli prospects look good for the near future, militarily...they lead the US congress and Federal officials like cows in a pasture with the most money contributions in history via AIPAC in America... But, America now oil independent, is withdrawing, because of the cost in money and blood.

Israel will become alone.


But the rest of the World dislikes Israel and her policies of land grabbing...they desperately need ME Oil over Israeli war mongering...Oil will win out.

Plus all those quarreling Arabs in the Arab Spring has produced a civil society that has supported Jihadists...Yes in a hundred years, Israel will control Erets Israel by force...That's about the time they will all have nukes...I see Armageddon and Allah and Yaweh the moon gods will separate the rest, if peace to the 67 borders is not made.

The way I see it, Israel is already alone

I honestly believe if an acceptable peace with Arab league blessing can turn things around...We all know the miracle of Economic prosperities ability to transform societies...

Israel at peace can make a huge Economic impact on the middle east and transform it into an Economic Oasis.

That would transform the view of the Jew, a co- religious brother who brought them a decent life.

Define what you mean by an "acceptable peace", and why you only include one side in this " acceptable peace". Is this because you are just a NEONAZI JEW HATING ANTI SEMITE WAR MONGER.

Isreal has a proven track record of honourable peace and decency as shown by the deals it has made with Egypt and Jordan.

What you describe is a totalitarian Islamic state with the Jews as its slaves, well those that would be left.

 

[pbel]

The way I see it, Israel is already alone

I honestly believe if an acceptable peace with Arab league blessing can turn things around...We all know the miracle of Economic prosperities ability to transform societies...

Israel at peace can make a huge Economic impact on the middle east and transform it into an Economic Oasis.

That would transform the view of the Jew, a co- religious brother who brought them a decent life.

Define what you mean by an "acceptable peace", and why you only include one side in this " acceptable peace". Is this because you are just a NEONAZI JEW HATING ANTI SEMITE WAR MONGER.

Isreal has a proven track record of honourable peace and decency as shown by the deals it has made with Egypt and Jordan.

What you describe is a totalitarian Islamic state with the Jews as its slaves, well those that would be left.

You obviously lack intellect or have a heart...

 

[P F Tinmore]

Switzerland did not become a member of the UN until 2003. Does that mean it was not a state before then.

The UN does not have anything to do with creating or bestowing legitimacy. It can only give political recognition. It has nothing to do with legal standing.

By the way, Switzerland is a non-member observer State...the same status as the present Palestinian State to the 67 borders.

You can of course prove that Palestine became a member of the UN at the 1967 borders that were never mutually agreed, thus breaching the UN charter ?

The UN has always recognized Israel on those phony borders.

Curious, what?

 

[P F Tinmore]

1) There was no country called Palestine during this time. You keep repeating this lie over and over. Nor was their an invasion. I explained to why this is so, and you choose to ignore that.

2) The British had the authority to invite them and fascilitate their immigration. Who were the Palestinians to say weather or not they could come???? It was NOT THEIR COUNTRY.

3) You have now reached expert level in Palestinian propaganda

4) There was no country called Palestine during this time

5) There was no country called Palestine during this time (is there now?? I say no)

6) You STILL haven't shown me where you get your info from concerning the events leading up to Israels declaration, as well as the 1948 Arab - Israeli war.

Do you have a link for that?

Really?? Again?? This??

You're so funny. You get owned in the previous argument concerning this issue, and the next time it comes up, you pretend it never happened.


When did Palestine become a country?? What day, month and year?

August 6, 1924

 

[P F Tinmore]

That's what I thought, you cannot argue my FACTUAL points

And I don't get ANY of my information from propaganda sites.

I showed me where I got my information from concerning events leading up to Israels declaration, but you haven't because you're too scare that I'm going to find information in those links that contradict what you say.

Telling ME that I need to read up on it. No offense, but that's extremely funny coming from you.

So, are you EVER going o show me where you get you information from ??

So the Zionists had the help of the British to invade and take over their country.

Well then, that makes it OK.

1) There was no country called Palestine during this time. You keep repeating this lie over and over. Nor was their an invasion. I explained to why this is so, and you choose to ignore that.

2) The British had the authority to invite them and fascilitate their immigration. Who were the Palestinians to say weather or not they could come???? It was NOT THEIR COUNTRY.

3) You have now reached expert level in Palestinian propaganda

4) There was no country called Palestine during this time

5) There was no country called Palestine during this time (is there now?? I say no)

6) You STILL haven't shown me where you get your info from concerning the events leading up to Israels declaration, as well as the 1948 Arab - Israeli war.

Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions...

Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country,...

...provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country,...

...develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country...

The Administration of Palestine may organist on a voluntary basis the forces necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defence of the country,...

...promote the development of the natural resources of the country and to safeguard the interests of the population.

No antiquity may leave the country without an export licence from the said Department.

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

 

[toastman]

So the Zionists had the help of the British to invade and take over their country.

Well then, that makes it OK.

1) There was no country called Palestine during this time. You keep repeating this lie over and over. Nor was their an invasion. I explained to why this is so, and you choose to ignore that.

2) The British had the authority to invite them and fascilitate their immigration. Who were the Palestinians to say weather or not they could come???? It was NOT THEIR COUNTRY.

3) You have now reached expert level in Palestinian propaganda

4) There was no country called Palestine during this time

5) There was no country called Palestine during this time (is there now?? I say no)

6) You STILL haven't shown me where you get your info from concerning the events leading up to Israels declaration, as well as the 1948 Arab - Israeli war.

Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions...

Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country,...

...provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country,...

...develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country...

The Administration of Palestine may organist on a voluntary basis the forces necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defence of the country,...

...promote the development of the natural resources of the country and to safeguard the interests of the population.

No antiquity may leave the country without an export licence from the said Department.

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

Do you have a link for that?

Really?? Again?? This??

You're so funny. You get owned in the previous argument concerning this issue, and the next time it comes up, you pretend it never happened.


When did Palestine become a country?? What day, month and year?

August 6, 1924

Even after all this , you proved nothing.

If they were a country already, why did they declare independence in 1948 (unrecognized)

If they were country, why did they declare independence in 1988

If they were already a country, what was the whole point of the U.N partition plan, which was supposed to give the 'Palestinians' a sovereign country.

If Palestine was a country, why did they have no sovereignty during the period of 1948 and before

If Palestine was a country, why didn't they do anything about the Zionist immigration that they opposed so much??

The answer is, obviously, because Palestine was NOT a country.

 

[P F Tinmore]

1) There was no country called Palestine during this time. You keep repeating this lie over and over. Nor was their an invasion. I explained to why this is so, and you choose to ignore that.

2) The British had the authority to invite them and fascilitate their immigration. Who were the Palestinians to say weather or not they could come???? It was NOT THEIR COUNTRY.

3) You have now reached expert level in Palestinian propaganda

4) There was no country called Palestine during this time

5) There was no country called Palestine during this time (is there now?? I say no)

6) You STILL haven't shown me where you get your info from concerning the events leading up to Israels declaration, as well as the 1948 Arab - Israeli war.

Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions...

Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country,...

...provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country,...

...develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country...

The Administration of Palestine may organist on a voluntary basis the forces necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defence of the country,...

...promote the development of the natural resources of the country and to safeguard the interests of the population.

No antiquity may leave the country without an export licence from the said Department.

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

Really?? Again?? This??

You're so funny. You get owned in the previous argument concerning this issue, and the next time it comes up, you pretend it never happened.


When did Palestine become a country?? What day, month and year?

August 6, 1924

Even after all this , you proved nothing.

If they were a country already, why did they declare independence in 1948 (unrecognized)

If they were country, why did they declare independence in 1988

If they were already a country, what was the whole point of the U.N partition plan, which was supposed to give the 'Palestinians' a sovereign country.

If Palestine was a country, why did they have no sovereignty during the period of 1948 and before

If Palestine was a country, why didn't they do anything about the Zionist immigration that they opposed so much??

The answer is, obviously, because Palestine was NOT a country.

Why ask questions if my answers prove nothing to you?

 

[Andylusion]

People who are willing to die to regain their dignity have nothing to lose.



Abbas says he won't make concessions on Jerusalem

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas sent a defiant message to Israel's leadership and U.S. mediators Saturday, telling cheering supporters that the Palestinians "won't kneel" and won't drop demands for a capital in east Jerusalem.

Related Stories

Kerry sees progress on Israeli-Palestinian framework deal Reuters
Kerry heads to Middle East next week for peace talks: U.S. official Reuters
Kerry says progress in peace talks but more work needed AFP
Analysis: Israel, Palestinians face hard choices Associated Press
Kerry ends Mideast trip without framework deal AFP

Abbas' unusually fiery speech highlighted the wide gaps between him and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the outlines of a peace deal. It also raised new doubts about the chances of U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry to bridge those gaps in coming weeks and come up with a framework for an agreement.

Abbas adopted tough positions in the wide-ranging speech, saying that "there will be no peace" without a Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem and that he would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

He also suggested he would not continue negotiations beyond a U.S.-set target date of the end of April, and instead will resume his quest for broader international recognition of a state of Palestine by the United Nations and its various agencies.

Doesn't really matter what he says or does. G-d himself ordained that the Jews be regathered to Israel, and they are doing that, and will continue to do so, and that's not going to change.

He can do whatever he wants, the outcome is already decided.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne came into force on August 6, 1924.

When did Palestine become a country?? What day, month and year?

August 6, 1924

(COMMENT)

There is nothing in the Treaty that discusses Palestine or the Palestinians. It does not mention citizenship, and the Treaty Section on "Nationality" (Section II, Articles 30 thru 36) makes not such assertion. Additionally, Article 5 - discussion the Boundary Commission refers to Article 2 Territories, which doesn't include the region of the undefined Palestine. Article 3 covers the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia (not Article 2); however Article 8 allows the Boundary Commission to assist the Allied Powers over the region in terms of transport, accommodation, labour, materials (sign posts, boundary pillars), but no specifics (optional retainer).

So, I am again confused. Is it your intention to suggest the Treaty of Lausanne somehow overrides Article 22 of the League of Nation Covenant or the Mandate of Palestine (which covers the instrumentality for nationality law)?

I have heard this claim before by pro-Palestinians - that the Treaty of Lausanne somehow makes an impact. But other than to repeat the claim, they have never been able to show me specifically where this matter is discussed. Can you?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Tinmore right now --------->

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne came into force on August 6, 1924.

When did Palestine become a country?? What day, month and year?

August 6, 1924

(COMMENT)

There is nothing in the Treaty that discusses Palestine or the Palestinians. It does not mention citizenship, and the Treaty Section on "Nationality" (Section II, Articles 30 thru 36) makes not such assertion. Additionally, Article 5 - discussion the Boundary Commission refers to Article 2 Territories, which doesn't include the region of the undefined Palestine. Article 3 covers the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia (not Article 2); however Article 8 allows the Boundary Commission to assist the Allied Powers over the region in terms of transport, accommodation, labour, materials (sign posts, boundary pillars), but no specifics (optional retainer).

So, I am again confused. Is it your intention to suggest the Treaty of Lausanne somehow overrides Article 22 of the League of Nation Covenant or the Mandate of Palestine (which covers the instrumentality for nationality law)?

I have heard this claim before by pro-Palestinians - that the Treaty of Lausanne somehow makes an impact. But other than to repeat the claim, they have never been able to show me specifically where this matter is discussed. Can you?

Most Respectfully,
R

Where do you see an inconsistency?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne came into force on August 6, 1924.

August 6, 1924

(COMMENT)

There is nothing in the Treaty that discusses Palestine or the Palestinians. It does not mention citizenship, and the Treaty Section on "Nationality" (Section II, Articles 30 thru 36) makes not such assertion. Additionally, Article 5 - discussion the Boundary Commission refers to Article 2 Territories, which doesn't include the region of the undefined Palestine. Article 3 covers the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia (not Article 2); however Article 8 allows the Boundary Commission to assist the Allied Powers over the region in terms of transport, accommodation, labour, materials (sign posts, boundary pillars), but no specifics (optional retainer).

So, I am again confused. Is it your intention to suggest the Treaty of Lausanne somehow overrides Article 22 of the League of Nation Covenant or the Mandate of Palestine (which covers the instrumentality for nationality law)?

I have heard this claim before by pro-Palestinians - that the Treaty of Lausanne somehow makes an impact. But other than to repeat the claim, they have never been able to show me specifically where this matter is discussed. Can you?

Most Respectfully,
R

Where do you see an inconsistency?

Responding to a questions with another questions; it's called the Tinmore Tactic
Were you saying that the Treaty of Lausanne is what made Palestine a country for Palestinians ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Treaty of Lausanne came into force on August 6, 1924.


(COMMENT)

There is nothing in the Treaty that discusses Palestine or the Palestinians. It does not mention citizenship, and the Treaty Section on "Nationality" (Section II, Articles 30 thru 36) makes not such assertion. Additionally, Article 5 - discussion the Boundary Commission refers to Article 2 Territories, which doesn't include the region of the undefined Palestine. Article 3 covers the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia (not Article 2); however Article 8 allows the Boundary Commission to assist the Allied Powers over the region in terms of transport, accommodation, labour, materials (sign posts, boundary pillars), but no specifics (optional retainer).

So, I am again confused. Is it your intention to suggest the Treaty of Lausanne somehow overrides Article 22 of the League of Nation Covenant or the Mandate of Palestine (which covers the instrumentality for nationality law)?

I have heard this claim before by pro-Palestinians - that the Treaty of Lausanne somehow makes an impact. But other than to repeat the claim, they have never been able to show me specifically where this matter is discussed. Can you?

Most Respectfully,
R

Where do you see an inconsistency?

Responding to a questions with another questions; it's called the Tinmore Tactic
Were you saying that the Treaty of Lausanne is what made Palestine a country for Palestinians ?

I can't answer his question if I don't know what he is asking.

 

[pbel]

People who are willing to die to regain their dignity have nothing to lose.



Abbas says he won't make concessions on Jerusalem

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas sent a defiant message to Israel's leadership and U.S. mediators Saturday, telling cheering supporters that the Palestinians "won't kneel" and won't drop demands for a capital in east Jerusalem.

Related Stories

Kerry sees progress on Israeli-Palestinian framework deal Reuters
Kerry heads to Middle East next week for peace talks: U.S. official Reuters
Kerry says progress in peace talks but more work needed AFP
Analysis: Israel, Palestinians face hard choices Associated Press
Kerry ends Mideast trip without framework deal AFP

Abbas' unusually fiery speech highlighted the wide gaps between him and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the outlines of a peace deal. It also raised new doubts about the chances of U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry to bridge those gaps in coming weeks and come up with a framework for an agreement.

Abbas adopted tough positions in the wide-ranging speech, saying that "there will be no peace" without a Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem and that he would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

He also suggested he would not continue negotiations beyond a U.S.-set target date of the end of April, and instead will resume his quest for broader international recognition of a state of Palestine by the United Nations and its various agencies.

Doesn't really matter what he says or does. G-d himself ordained that the Jews be regathered to Israel, and they are doing that, and will continue to do so, and that's not going to change.

He can do whatever he wants, the outcome is already decided.

If that gawd can just come down from da heavins and spain it to us agin. is arme geddon next?

 

[GISMYS]

Yes!!! Ww111 anyday now and over 2 billion will die!!

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK

Where do you see an inconsistency?

Responding to a questions with another questions; it's called the Tinmore Tactic
Were you saying that the Treaty of Lausanne is what made Palestine a country for Palestinians ?

I can't answer his question if I don't know what he is asking.

(COMMENT)

Where in the Treaty of Lausanne does it make Palestine a country?

Many pro-Palestinian have made that claim, but, none have been able to show it substance.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

I honestly believe if an acceptable peace with Arab league blessing can turn things around...We all know the miracle of Economic prosperities ability to transform societies...

Israel at peace can make a huge Economic impact on the middle east and transform it into an Economic Oasis.

That would transform the view of the Jew, a co- religious brother who brought them a decent life.

Define what you mean by an "acceptable peace", and why you only include one side in this " acceptable peace". Is this because you are just a NEONAZI JEW HATING ANTI SEMITE WAR MONGER.

Isreal has a proven track record of honourable peace and decency as shown by the deals it has made with Egypt and Jordan.

What you describe is a totalitarian Islamic state with the Jews as its slaves, well those that would be left.

You obviously lack intellect or have a heart...

WRONG the truth is you are afraid to put into writing your views because they will show your true feelings. The arab league charter spells it out very clearly in the 3 NO'S .


Now define what you mean by an "acceptable peace" because to my mind the only acceptable peace is one that meets the objectives of all sides.

 

[Phoenall]

By the way, Switzerland is a non-member observer State...the same status as the present Palestinian State to the 67 borders.

You can of course prove that Palestine became a member of the UN at the 1967 borders that were never mutually agreed, thus breaching the UN charter ?

The UN has always recognized Israel on those phony borders.

Curious, what?

You can of course provide the evidence to support your claim, you know a UN resolution that says that Israel is recognised to the non existent 1967 borders.

Not some press release of the speech by someone that was not voted on or used as the basis for a resolution.

 

[Phoenall]

Do you have a link for that?

Really?? Again?? This??

You're so funny. You get owned in the previous argument concerning this issue, and the next time it comes up, you pretend it never happened.


When did Palestine become a country?? What day, month and year?

August 6, 1924

Who decided that it was a de facto country with a ruler, currency and infrastructure. Or are you referring to your usual rubbish that did not say this is Palestine the country.

EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE

 

[Billo_Really]

Who decided that it was a de facto country with a ruler, currency and infrastructure. Or are you referring to your usual rubbish that did not say this is Palestine the country.

EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE

They didn't have to be a country.

They had an indigenous population that had (and has) inalienable rights.