I will not Bow!

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinian Civil War (the Israeli-Arab Wars of 1947-1949) resulted in a permanent division of the unincorporated territory formerly known as Palestine into a Jewish-controlled nation-state and an unincorporated Muslim-Arab territory.

Wars change maps, and set aside old understandings and legal standings and political configurations.

It's the way the Real World works.

Get used to it.

Unfortunately for Israel, in the real world demographics also change maps.

Only if the population has the weapons with which to fight. In the case of hamas and fatah they have had their fangs pulled and are not a danger. And the way the muslims are going those self same demographics will bring about the collapse of their empires due to starvation and thirst.

The Palestinians are throwing Fatah and Hamas into the dustbin of history.

 

[Hossfly]

Unfortunately for Israel, in the real world demographics also change maps.

You (pro-Palestinian advocates) seem to be operating under the impression that Israel will do nothing while this so-called Demographics Threat unfolds.

There is no threat from within the present borders of Israel, if one omits the West Bank and Gaza from that definition.

If Israel decides to complete its Reconquista and annexes the West Bank and/or Gaza in perpetuity, it will forcibly evict and expel the Palestinians and then move Israelis into the vacuum to consolidate those new holdings.

Thereby removing the Demographics Threat before it ever materializes.

Encroachment upon the Rump (vestigial, remnant) West Bank continues apace and appears to be accelerating.

Nobody is going to stop Israel if it does choose to go the Expulsion route; or, should I say, should they openly declare the obvious.

How do you figure Israel will be able to expel/kill 5-6 million people logistically? And, do you think the U.S. would stand by and allow what is perceived its client state by the rest of the world to commit genocide/ethnic cleansing? If the US allowed it to happen, there would be serious negative economic consequences for America. Ever take a look to see how much the U.S. sells to the Muslim world. The UN would impose South Africa style sanctions that the U.S. would not veto. The EU, Israel's biggest trading partner would impose even stricter sanctions. I don't think you have thought this through.

Have you considered ZOG?

 

[Phoenall]

Monte - you and Tinnny and the rest may want to re-think that gleeful anticipation already. According to your ilk 'the Jews' (at less than 2% of population) are running the US and half of the Western world - so 'demographics' won't change matters much.

Unless, of course, you assert that the "Palestinians' have the right to legislate their citizenship out from under the Jews the way the Arab League nations across the ME/NA have already done?

In which case it becomes obvious that you - and they - are not on the side of 'peace, justice, and freedom' after all.

But I think most of us already realized that: it's clear enough from the PA/PLO and HAMAS Charters anyway.

I said it is unfortunate, because Israel is basically an advanced European state in the Middle East that could survive for the long term within a disadvantageous demographic environment with only some compromise. With compromise, the Jews even if a minority within a multi-confessional secular democratic state, could maintain their culture as well or probably better than the Boers in South Africa, which also faced a demographic challenge of equal or worse proportions. My point is that the Jews are at the peak of their negotiating power, it's not going to get any stronger, so they should get the best deal they can get now.

Just your opinion that you have been told to voice by your imam, the fact is the Palestinians are facing extinction through demographics and will soon be at their weakest. The next virulent disease will start in gaza and will spread like wildfire. It will decimate the population and leave hamas with no people to govern. Then the west bank will suffer the same pestilence and will also be decimated. And Israel is under no compunction to lift a finger to help the Palestinians now they are walking away from peace talks.

The hamas, fatah and PLO charters spell out the fate of the Jews if the Palestinians gain control, it is total genocide down to the last living person. There will be no quarter given as the muslim hatred runs too deep.

 

[Phoenall]

Monte - you and Tinnny and the rest may want to re-think that gleeful anticipation already. According to your ilk 'the Jews' (at less than 2% of population) are running the US and half of the Western world - so 'demographics' won't change matters much.

Unless, of course, you assert that the "Palestinians' have the right to legislate their citizenship out from under the Jews the way the Arab League nations across the ME/NA have already done?

In which case it becomes obvious that you - and they - are not on the side of 'peace, justice, and freedom' after all.

But I think most of us already realized that: it's clear enough from the PA/PLO and HAMAS Charters anyway.

I said it is unfortunate, because Israel is basically an advanced European state in the Middle East that could survive for the long term within a disadvantageous demographic environment with only some compromise. With compromise, the Jews even if a minority within a multi-confessional secular democratic state, could maintain their culture as well or probably better than the Boers in South Africa, which also faced a demographic challenge of equal or worse proportions. My point is that the Jews are at the peak of their negotiating power, it's not going to get any stronger, so they should get the best deal they can get now.

European state??

ISLAMONAZI speak for "better than we are"

 

[Phoenall]

I said it is unfortunate, because Israel is basically an advanced European state in the Middle East that could survive for the long term within a disadvantageous demographic environment with only some compromise. With compromise, the Jews even if a minority within a multi-confessional secular democratic state, could maintain their culture as well or probably better than the Boers in South Africa, which also faced a demographic challenge of equal or worse proportions. My point is that the Jews are at the peak of their negotiating power, it's not going to get any stronger, so they should get the best deal they can get now.

European state??

Settled by Europeans, it has a society that is quite similar in standard of living and overall life to European societies and it is a member of many European-only organizations:

UEFA (European Football Federation) Israel plays in European national team competitions.

Center of European Nuclear Research (CERN), etc.

ISLAMONAZI speak again as it was settled by Jews invited by the lands legal owners . Yes it is a member of some European societies just as muslim Turkey is, as well as many ex soviet states are.

Many non European states are also part of CERN so your point in this is a non starter.


The true facts are the Israel is leaps and bounds ahead of any muslim nation in the M.E. in regards to civil liberties, welfare, employment, medicine, computer engineering, desalination, ethics and any other aspect of modern life you can think of.

 

[Phoenall]

Unfortunately for Israel, in the real world demographics also change maps.

You (pro-Palestinian advocates) seem to be operating under the impression that Israel will do nothing while this so-called Demographics Threat unfolds.

There is no threat from within the present borders of Israel, if one omits the West Bank and Gaza from that definition.

If Israel decides to complete its Reconquista and annexes the West Bank and/or Gaza in perpetuity, it will forcibly evict and expel the Palestinians and then move Israelis into the vacuum to consolidate those new holdings.

Thereby removing the Demographics Threat before it ever materializes.

Encroachment upon the Rump (vestigial, remnant) West Bank continues apace and appears to be accelerating.

Nobody is going to stop Israel if it does choose to go the Expulsion route; or, should I say, should they openly declare the obvious.

How do you figure Israel will be able to expel/kill 5-6 million people logistically? And, do you think the U.S. would stand by and allow what is perceived its client state by the rest of the world to commit genocide/ethnic cleansing? If the US allowed it to happen, there would be serious negative economic consequences for America. Ever take a look to see how much the U.S. sells to the Muslim world. The UN would impose South Africa style sanctions that the U.S. would not veto. The EU, Israel's biggest trading partner would impose even stricter sanctions. I don't think you have thought this through.

Very simple just infect them with a disease resistant to all known antigens, one that is aerosol transmitted and mimics say Typhoid or Typhus. The survivors will be given the chance of living as Israeli citizens or of carrying on living with the decomposing bodies of their fellow citizens.

Just one scenario

Or they could simply increase the pressure and see them leave of their own accord

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, they did. You are making arbitrary requirements so as to fit your agenda.

Israel declared independence on the land allotted to it in the partition plan. We've been through this many times Tinmore.

The Armistice agreements, which you CONSTANTLY bring up, have nothing to do with what you're talking about.

Israel never claimed the land or recognized the proposed borders of resolution 181.

(COMMENT)

The Declaration of Independence clearly states it coordinated with the UNPC in accordance with General Assembly Resolution 181(II). The border dispute arose after the Invasion and External Interference of the Arab League. The resulting tactical military outcome changed some of the territorial controls.

(SIDEBAR)

You periodically make these claims as if there is some substance to them. You overlook the point that the Arab Armies conspired to attack Israel even before it was proclaimed. It was an effort, by the Arabs, to use force (right of conquest) to attain control of territory the UN said was Partitioned. The Arab chose invasion and war; discarding the Rule of Law. And they now live with the outcome of that set of decisions.

You cannot set your own criteria - under your agenda - and demand that - a half century after the fact, they be met. The Arab League Armies crossed their borders, invading the Partitioned Territory, and openly attacked the Jewish Nation in order to overturn the establishment of Israel. Remembering that Israel was established in accordance with the steps preparatory to independence set by the UN. The Arabs attempted to overturn by force, the right of self-determination exercised by the Israeli People. The Arabs were the aggressor, the external interference, and the territorial invader; leaving their sovereignty and entering another. They couldn't have been more in the wrong then if they were an Axis Power.

The concept of inalienable national rights of the people applies equally as well to the Jewish People as it does to the Palestinian People.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

'And the land that those borders define is Palestine'

Sorry, I had to come back to this comment.

This is easily one of the most ridiculous things you said. Those are ISRAELS borders that were agreed upon with ISRAEL & EGYPT and ISRAEL & JORDAN. NOTHING to do with Palestine. Again, the land within those borders is Israels, hence the name Israel on the map. Pretty simple, no?

With a view to promoting the return of permanent peace in Palestine...

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja (the main road that enters Palestine from Egypt to Beersheba) shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

After the end of the mandate, after resolution 181, after Israel's declaration of independence, and after the 1948 war, Israel signed two separate agreements stating that the Negev was still Palestine.

Nobody has ever documented when that territory became Israel.

Here you go the map of Israel as of May 14 1948

 

[Phoenall]

Tinmore, again for the 100th time: The Armistice agreements were signed BEFORE the agreements with Jordan and Egypt!

Goodness gracious Tinmore!!!

Not to mention, you still did 't prove what you claimed earlier.

Indeed they were. Now Israel is claiming borders on land that it agreed was Palestine.

BTW, which previous claim are you questioning?

Under International law, LoN mandate, this was all Palestine right up until 1949

 

[Phoenall]

'No one has ever documented when that territory became Israel'

It became Israels after they legally declared independence on that land.

The whole 'document when it became Israels land' is something YOU MADE UP.
Israel did not need to follow the Tinmore pre requisites to become a state.

Stop making up these bullshit claims to further your agenda

1) Israel's declaration of independence did not claim any land or borders.

2) The armistice agreements were signed after Israel's declaration.

1) correct as the arab muslims did not accept the UN partition so the borders were flexible from that point on

2) correct and they paved the way for Israel to be admitted as a legal state under International law, The Palestinians lost out because they allowed the arab league to dictate to them thus providing outside interference.


Israel declared independence initially on the partition plan and later amended it to not declare any borders because of arab muslim threats.


Remember asking for a link to the Jews giving the non Jews full citizenship, well it is present in the declaration of independence.

Declaration of Israel's Independence, 1948 . Truman . WGBH American Experience | PBS

In the midst of wanton aggression, we yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to return to the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, with full and equal citizenship and due representation in its bodies and institutions -- provisional or permanent.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel declared independence on the land allotted to it in the partition plan. We've been through this many times Tinmore.

The Armistice agreements, which you CONSTANTLY bring up, have nothing to do with what you're talking about.

Israel never claimed the land or recognized the proposed borders of resolution 181.

Nor did the Palestinians so what is your point. UN res 242 takes this into account and dictates that the borders be mutually negotiated and recognised.

 

[MrMax]

'And the land that those borders define is Palestine'

Sorry, I had to come back to this comment.

This is easily one of the most ridiculous things you said. Those are ISRAELS borders that were agreed upon with ISRAEL & EGYPT and ISRAEL & JORDAN. NOTHING to do with Palestine. Again, the land within those borders is Israels, hence the name Israel on the map. Pretty simple, no?

With a view to promoting the return of permanent peace in Palestine...

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja (the main road that enters Palestine from Egypt to Beersheba) shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

After the end of the mandate, after resolution 181, after Israel's declaration of independence, and after the 1948 war, Israel signed two separate agreements stating that the Negev was still Palestine.

Nobody has ever documented when that territory became Israel.

Look the tin hypocrite is quoting another meaningless piece of paper. AGAIN!

Nobody has ever documented what a hypocrite you are. No, wait! They have! At this board!

**** man, you should be thanking the Israelis for not giving the palestinians blankets with smallpox on them!

 

[MHunterB]

I said it is unfortunate, because Israel is basically an advanced European state in the Middle East that could survive for the long term within a disadvantageous demographic environment with only some compromise. With compromise, the Jews even if a minority within a multi-confessional secular democratic state, could maintain their culture as well or probably better than the Boers in South Africa, which also faced a demographic challenge of equal or worse proportions. My point is that the Jews are at the peak of their negotiating power, it's not going to get any stronger, so they should get the best deal they can get now.

European state??

Settled by Europeans, it has a society that is quite similar in standard of living and overall life to European societies and it is a member of many European-only organizations:

UEFA (European Football Federation) Israel plays in European national team competitions.

Center of European Nuclear Research (CERN), etc.

Monte, OVER HALF of Jewish Israelis are not 'European' by anyone's meaning. And the bulk of that over half are Sephardi/Mizrachi Jews - from elsewhere in ME/NA, due to the Arab League's ethnic cleansing of Jews from their many nations.

If Israeli teams play in Euro leagues - it's mostly because the Arab League nations have acted as a bloc, to block participation by Israelis as part of their ongoing boycott - which began in 1945.

 

[montelatici]

European state??

Settled by Europeans, it has a society that is quite similar in standard of living and overall life to European societies and it is a member of many European-only organizations:

UEFA (European Football Federation) Israel plays in European national team competitions.

Center of European Nuclear Research (CERN), etc.

Monte, OVER HALF of Jewish Israelis are not 'European' by anyone's meaning. And the bulk of that over half are Sephardi/Mizrachi Jews - from elsewhere in ME/NA, due to the Arab League's ethnic cleansing of Jews from their many nations.

If Israeli teams play in Euro leagues - it's mostly because the Arab League nations have acted as a bloc, to block participation by Israelis as part of their ongoing boycott - which began in 1945.

The original settlers were European and they set forth how Israel would be governed the type of society it would be and in this implemented European style system, it is what they knew and were. It doesn't matter that later, immigrants came from outside Europe. The die was cast and today Israel is very similar to Europe.

It's not just the membership in UEFA, they are the only non-European country in European organizations like CERN, the European Union’s Framework Programme for Research and Technical Development, the EU’s Galileo project for a Global Navigation Satellite System, Euromed Cultural Heritage, FEMISE, ArchiMedes etc.

 

[Phoenall]

Unfortunately for Israel, in the real world demographics also change maps.

Only if the population has the weapons with which to fight. In the case of hamas and fatah they have had their fangs pulled and are not a danger. And the way the muslims are going those self same demographics will bring about the collapse of their empires due to starvation and thirst.

The Palestinians are throwing Fatah and Hamas into the dustbin of history.

So when will the elections be held, or will it be a bloody civil war that will destroy both places Is that what the chemical weapons are to used for, to kill their own people

 

[Phoenall]

Settled by Europeans, it has a society that is quite similar in standard of living and overall life to European societies and it is a member of many European-only organizations:

UEFA (European Football Federation) Israel plays in European national team competitions.

Center of European Nuclear Research (CERN), etc.

Monte, OVER HALF of Jewish Israelis are not 'European' by anyone's meaning. And the bulk of that over half are Sephardi/Mizrachi Jews - from elsewhere in ME/NA, due to the Arab League's ethnic cleansing of Jews from their many nations.

If Israeli teams play in Euro leagues - it's mostly because the Arab League nations have acted as a bloc, to block participation by Israelis as part of their ongoing boycott - which began in 1945.

The original settlers were European and they set forth how Israel would be governed the type of society it would be and in this implemented European style system, it is what they knew and were. It doesn't matter that later, immigrants came from outside Europe. The die was cast and today Israel is very similar to Europe.

It's not just the membership in UEFA, they are the only non-European country in European organizations like CERN, the European Union’s Framework Programme for Research and Technical Development, the EU’s Galileo project for a Global Navigation Satellite System, Euromed Cultural Heritage, FEMISE, ArchiMedes etc.

The original Jews were there under sufferance for over 4,000 years, the arab muslims arrived during the 19c as itinerant farm workers looking for work. The Ottomans invited European Jews to migrate to Palestine as the arab muslims refused to stay there long enough to set down roots. The Ottomans allowed the Jews to buy land and to work it unhindered and unarmed. Israel is similar to Europe because Europe is a tried and tested model of democracy and endeavour. Islam is a failed dictatorship that has splintered and became unstable.

As far as Europe is concerned Israel is part of Europe as it is a European style nation with European standards. Many Americans work in the CERN labs and are also engaged in the development of the Navigation system. The satellite system has been up and running for some years now, and because of it the need for morse code has been dropped for all radio spectrum users.


Ask your imam for more up to date information in future as he is feeding you BULLSHIT.

 

[montelatici]

Monte, OVER HALF of Jewish Israelis are not 'European' by anyone's meaning. And the bulk of that over half are Sephardi/Mizrachi Jews - from elsewhere in ME/NA, due to the Arab League's ethnic cleansing of Jews from their many nations.

If Israeli teams play in Euro leagues - it's mostly because the Arab League nations have acted as a bloc, to block participation by Israelis as part of their ongoing boycott - which began in 1945.

The original settlers were European and they set forth how Israel would be governed the type of society it would be and in this implemented European style system, it is what they knew and were. It doesn't matter that later, immigrants came from outside Europe. The die was cast and today Israel is very similar to Europe.

It's not just the membership in UEFA, they are the only non-European country in European organizations like CERN, the European Union’s Framework Programme for Research and Technical Development, the EU’s Galileo project for a Global Navigation Satellite System, Euromed Cultural Heritage, FEMISE, ArchiMedes etc.

The original Jews were there under sufferance for over 4,000 years, the arab muslims arrived during the 19c as itinerant farm workers looking for work. The Ottomans invited European Jews to migrate to Palestine as the arab muslims refused to stay there long enough to set down roots. The Ottomans allowed the Jews to buy land and to work it unhindered and unarmed. Israel is similar to Europe because Europe is a tried and tested model of democracy and endeavour. Islam is a failed dictatorship that has splintered and became unstable.

As far as Europe is concerned Israel is part of Europe as it is a European style nation with European standards. Many Americans work in the CERN labs and are also engaged in the development of the Navigation system. The satellite system has been up and running for some years now, and because of it the need for morse code has been dropped for all radio spectrum users.


Ask your imam for more up to date information in future as he is feeding you BULLSHIT.

Have actually read what I wrote? You are agreeing with me. You are so wrapped up in hate and anger you can't think or comprehend what is being written. Grow up

 

[Hossfly]

The original settlers were European and they set forth how Israel would be governed the type of society it would be and in this implemented European style system, it is what they knew and were. It doesn't matter that later, immigrants came from outside Europe. The die was cast and today Israel is very similar to Europe.

It's not just the membership in UEFA, they are the only non-European country in European organizations like CERN, the European Union’s Framework Programme for Research and Technical Development, the EU’s Galileo project for a Global Navigation Satellite System, Euromed Cultural Heritage, FEMISE, ArchiMedes etc.

The original Jews were there under sufferance for over 4,000 years, the arab muslims arrived during the 19c as itinerant farm workers looking for work. The Ottomans invited European Jews to migrate to Palestine as the arab muslims refused to stay there long enough to set down roots. The Ottomans allowed the Jews to buy land and to work it unhindered and unarmed. Israel is similar to Europe because Europe is a tried and tested model of democracy and endeavour. Islam is a failed dictatorship that has splintered and became unstable.

As far as Europe is concerned Israel is part of Europe as it is a European style nation with European standards. Many Americans work in the CERN labs and are also engaged in the development of the Navigation system. The satellite system has been up and running for some years now, and because of it the need for morse code has been dropped for all radio spectrum users.


Ask your imam for more up to date information in future as he is feeding you BULLSHIT.

Have actually read what I wrote? You are agreeing with me. You are so wrapped up in hate and anger you can't think or comprehend what is being written. Grow up

You may be a genius but you're also a pompous ass. Grow out of it.

 

[Kondor3]

Unfortunately for Israel, in the real world demographics also change maps.

You (pro-Palestinian advocates) seem to be operating under the impression that Israel will do nothing while this so-called Demographics Threat unfolds.

There is no threat from within the present borders of Israel, if one omits the West Bank and Gaza from that definition.

If Israel decides to complete its Reconquista and annexes the West Bank and/or Gaza in perpetuity, it will forcibly evict and expel the Palestinians and then move Israelis into the vacuum to consolidate those new holdings.

Thereby removing the Demographics Threat before it ever materializes.

Encroachment upon the Rump (vestigial, remnant) West Bank continues apace and appears to be accelerating.

Nobody is going to stop Israel if it does choose to go the Expulsion route; or, should I say, should they openly declare the obvious.

How do you figure Israel will be able to expel/kill 5-6 million people logistically?...

Expel, not kill.

Unlike the savages on the Palestinian side who have repeatedly sworn to drown the Jews in the Mediterranean, the Israeli side isn't anywhere near as bloodthirsty as their opponents, and would resort to simple (and far more humane) expulsion.

How to handle the logistics?

On the macro level...

Incrementally.

1. Find a place that will take a certain number; gratis, or for a price.

2. Solicit volunteers to move; including relocation, setup/fresh-startand compensation monies; keeping families together, and all of that.

3. Effect the move; protecting them against Fatah and Hamas vindictiveness along the way.

4. Move Israelis into the vacuum.

5. Rinse and repeat, as often as necessary.

That should take care of a very large percentage.

For those hard-cases who won't go on their own, despite generous settlement funding and relocation assistance - military action - 1% will die - 99% will survive.

The survivors are forcibly relocated, but paid the same Wergeld as all the rest.

No further claims against Israel would then be allowed.

Expensive as hell.

But far cheaper than allowing either an internal military threat or an internal demographics threat to destroy the resurrected State of Israel.

"...And, do you think the U.S. would stand by and allow what is perceived its client state by the rest of the world to commit genocide/ethnic cleansing?..."

Yes.

Because it won't be Genocide.

And even the ethnic cleansing -like aspect(s) of such an operation can be arguably and logically masked as what it truly is: Population Transfer.

Done properly - and faithfully reflecting what is actually happening - the outcome removes a savage, hostile, intransigent and belligerent population segment from the region, and, lacking close proximiity, old enmities will burn themselves out in a generation or two, and a modicum of peace will descend upon the region.

...If the US allowed it to happen, there would be serious negative economic consequences for America. Ever take a look to see how much the U.S. sells to the Muslim world..."

If we were overly worried about that, we would not have attacked Afghanistan...

If we were overly worried about that, we would not have attacked Iraq...

If we were overly worried about that, we would not be drone-bombing NW Pakistan...

Donor Exhaustion has set in, within the Muslim world, with respect to the Palestinians, and trashing their trade relationships with the US would be Bad Business.

"...The UN would impose South Africa style sanctions that the U.S. would not veto..."

Possible

Unlikely.

If the UN General Assembly failed to override the Security Council (UNGAR 377, 1950) to prevent the United States from launching an attack on Iraq in 2003, it's highly unlikely that it will do so over a progressive but controlled and well-funded and well-compensated mass relocation effort.

"...The EU, Israel's biggest trading partner would impose even stricter sanctions..."

Perhaps.

But unlikely.

Once they see that it is being done as humanely as practicable and that those displaced were being relocated and re-established elsewhere, with some considerable support.

Hell, the Euros are Westerners as well, and will be happy to see an end to this 100-year-old squabbling in their backyard.

"...I don't think you have thought this through."

Well, they say the Devil is in the details, don't they?

A hundred-and-one things to address during the course of any such contemplation, but, done incrementally, it's not only practicable but actually likely.

The logistics and military aspects of the thing are probably the easiest to address, on the macro level.

The real challenges are (1) finding places willing to take-in some percentage of the Palestinians, (2) mustering sufficient financial support for the undertaking from the global Jewish community and its friends, and (3) public relations and damage control once underway.

One need look no further than the non-viable, unsustainable and disconnected (non-contiguous) parcels of land still remaining under Palestinian faux control, to see that we're almost to that point already, and one does not need a crystal ball to predict what the next steps are likely to be, in connection with the foolhardy and intransigent Palestinians, should this next (and final?) round of negotiations collapse.

I have no clue whether any of this is going to materialize, but it is fast reaching the point where the Israelis are going to have to get 'radical', and some-such approach is far more humane than what their enemies have sworn to do to them, given the chance.

Comes a time, every so often, in the life of a nation, when your back is against the wall and you're obliged to say: "This is what needs to be done. To the Devil with world opinion."

Now, whether Israel has reached that point yet with its Barbarian negotiating partners, well, only the Israelis can tell us that.

 

[Sally]

The original settlers were European and they set forth how Israel would be governed the type of society it would be and in this implemented European style system, it is what they knew and were. It doesn't matter that later, immigrants came from outside Europe. The die was cast and today Israel is very similar to Europe.

It's not just the membership in UEFA, they are the only non-European country in European organizations like CERN, the European Union’s Framework Programme for Research and Technical Development, the EU’s Galileo project for a Global Navigation Satellite System, Euromed Cultural Heritage, FEMISE, ArchiMedes etc.

The original Jews were there under sufferance for over 4,000 years, the arab muslims arrived during the 19c as itinerant farm workers looking for work. The Ottomans invited European Jews to migrate to Palestine as the arab muslims refused to stay there long enough to set down roots. The Ottomans allowed the Jews to buy land and to work it unhindered and unarmed. Israel is similar to Europe because Europe is a tried and tested model of democracy and endeavour. Islam is a failed dictatorship that has splintered and became unstable.

As far as Europe is concerned Israel is part of Europe as it is a European style nation with European standards. Many Americans work in the CERN labs and are also engaged in the development of the Navigation system. The satellite system has been up and running for some years now, and because of it the need for morse code has been dropped for all radio spectrum users.


Ask your imam for more up to date information in future as he is feeding you BULLSHIT.

Have actually read what I wrote? You are agreeing with me. You are so wrapped up in hate and anger you can't think or comprehend what is being written. Grow up

But you and those in the boiled room are so wrapped up trying to show that the land actually belongs to the Arabs that you really appear like a bunch of Energizer Bunnies who are charged up each morning when you enter the boiler room and told to set forth on as many forums as you can get to all day long.. I guess the boiler room gals and guys can't stand to see the Jews governing one tiny, tiny piece of real estate in the Middle East. Meanwhile, it's a shame that the rest of the Middle East countries weren't more like European countries so that they would be more advanced instead of being the way they are now. Can you imagine how those Bedouin (which early travelers to the Holy Land saw) lived before the Jews made that swamp land livable? The only places that looked livable were the cities where the Jews resided.