I will not Bow!

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, they did. You are making arbitrary requirements so as to fit your agenda.

Israel never claimed the land or recognized the proposed borders of resolution 181.

(COMMENT)

The Declaration of Independence clearly states it coordinated with the UNPC in accordance with General Assembly Resolution 181(II). The border dispute arose after the Invasion and External Interference of the Arab League. The resulting tactical military outcome changed some of the territorial controls.

We have all heard a gazillion times that Israel accepted resolution 181 and the Palestinians rejected it. It is true that the Palestinians rejected the partition of their country as they had the right to do and as anyone else in the world would have done.

However, let's look at Israel's so called acceptance.

1) Israel rejected the proposed borders and was attacking and expelling Palestinians outside of those borders before its declaration.

2) Israel rejected an international Jerusalem by attacking and expelling Palestinians from Jerusalem before its declaration.

3) Israel rejected the rights of the non Jewish population by attacking the Muslims and Christians in Palestine.​

So, what part of resolution 181 did Israel accept?

(SIDEBAR)

You periodically make these claims as if there is some substance to them. You overlook the point that the Arab Armies conspired to attack Israel even before it was proclaimed. It was an effort, by the Arabs, to use force (right of conquest) to attain control of territory the UN said was Partitioned. The Arab chose invasion and war; discarding the Rule of Law. And they now live with the outcome of that set of decisions.

You cannot set your own criteria - under your agenda - and demand that - a half century after the fact, they be met. The Arab League Armies crossed their borders, invading the Partitioned Territory, and openly attacked the Jewish Nation in order to overturn the establishment of Israel. Remembering that Israel was established in accordance with the steps preparatory to independence set by the UN. The Arabs attempted to overturn by force, the right of self-determination exercised by the Israeli People. The Arabs were the aggressor, the external interference, and the territorial invader; leaving their sovereignty and entering another. They couldn't have been more in the wrong then if they were an Axis Power.

The concept of inalienable national rights of the people applies equally as well to the Jewish People as it does to the Palestinian People.

Most Respectfully,
R

1) arab muslims had also rejected the borders, and in fact rejected the whole resolution. In doing so they also broke treaties that had been signed years earlier giving them trans Jordan and Syria. They had been attacking the Jews since 632 C.E. and expelling them from their land in Palestine.

2) arab muslims rejected an international Jerusalem by attacking and murdering jews that lived there contrary to the UN charter. They then declared Jerusalem a muslim city and started to remove all traces of Judaism from it.

3) arab muslims rejected the rights of the Jewish population by attacking the Jews in Palestine and claiming to want to wipe them all out.


So what did the arab muslims do to honour their treaties and UN res 181

 

[MrMax]

^^^^^^^^ The tin hypocrite is still going on about meaningless pieces of paper that musbombs can't even read?

Brah, should we just give them blankets with smallpox on them like your ancestors did to the indians?

 

[toastman]

Jordan attacked Israel first DURING THE 6 day war. In other words, Jordan entered the war on their own means.
How you didn't manage to understand that is beyond me , Billo.

The discussion was regarding who started the 6 Day War and you shot back with...

"Jordan attacked first..."​

Back-peddle all you want, it won't change what you said.

Yes, and they DID attack first during the 6 day war, which you said was not true.

But I proved to you that it WAS true. I cant believe I have to explain this to you!

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, they did. You are making arbitrary requirements so as to fit your agenda.

Israel never claimed the land or recognized the proposed borders of resolution 181.

(COMMENT)

The Declaration of Independence clearly states it coordinated with the UNPC in accordance with General Assembly Resolution 181(II). The border dispute arose after the Invasion and External Interference of the Arab League. The resulting tactical military outcome changed some of the territorial controls.

We have all heard a gazillion times that Israel accepted resolution 181 and the Palestinians rejected it. It is true that the Palestinians rejected the partition of their country as they had the right to do and as anyone else in the world would have done.

However, let's look at Israel's so called acceptance.

1) Israel rejected the proposed borders and was attacking and expelling Palestinians outside of those borders before its declaration.

2) Israel rejected an international Jerusalem by attacking and expelling Palestinians from Jerusalem before its declaration.

3) Israel rejected the rights of the non Jewish population by attacking the Muslims and Christians in Palestine.​

So, what part of resolution 181 did Israel accept?

(SIDEBAR)

You periodically make these claims as if there is some substance to them. You overlook the point that the Arab Armies conspired to attack Israel even before it was proclaimed. It was an effort, by the Arabs, to use force (right of conquest) to attain control of territory the UN said was Partitioned. The Arab chose invasion and war; discarding the Rule of Law. And they now live with the outcome of that set of decisions.

You cannot set your own criteria - under your agenda - and demand that - a half century after the fact, they be met. The Arab League Armies crossed their borders, invading the Partitioned Territory, and openly attacked the Jewish Nation in order to overturn the establishment of Israel. Remembering that Israel was established in accordance with the steps preparatory to independence set by the UN. The Arabs attempted to overturn by force, the right of self-determination exercised by the Israeli People. The Arabs were the aggressor, the external interference, and the territorial invader; leaving their sovereignty and entering another. They couldn't have been more in the wrong then if they were an Axis Power.

The concept of inalienable national rights of the people applies equally as well to the Jewish People as it does to the Palestinian People.

Most Respectfully,
R

Please show us a link of the attacks against the Palestinians you are talking about.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, they did. You are making arbitrary requirements so as to fit your agenda.


(COMMENT)

The Declaration of Independence clearly states it coordinated with the UNPC in accordance with General Assembly Resolution 181(II). The border dispute arose after the Invasion and External Interference of the Arab League. The resulting tactical military outcome changed some of the territorial controls.

We have all heard a gazillion times that Israel accepted resolution 181 and the Palestinians rejected it. It is true that the Palestinians rejected the partition of their country as they had the right to do and as anyone else in the world would have done.

However, let's look at Israel's so called acceptance.

1) Israel rejected the proposed borders and was attacking and expelling Palestinians outside of those borders before its declaration.

2) Israel rejected an international Jerusalem by attacking and expelling Palestinians from Jerusalem before its declaration.

3) Israel rejected the rights of the non Jewish population by attacking the Muslims and Christians in Palestine.​

So, what part of resolution 181 did Israel accept?

(SIDEBAR)

You periodically make these claims as if there is some substance to them. You overlook the point that the Arab Armies conspired to attack Israel even before it was proclaimed. It was an effort, by the Arabs, to use force (right of conquest) to attain control of territory the UN said was Partitioned. The Arab chose invasion and war; discarding the Rule of Law. And they now live with the outcome of that set of decisions.

You cannot set your own criteria - under your agenda - and demand that - a half century after the fact, they be met. The Arab League Armies crossed their borders, invading the Partitioned Territory, and openly attacked the Jewish Nation in order to overturn the establishment of Israel. Remembering that Israel was established in accordance with the steps preparatory to independence set by the UN. The Arabs attempted to overturn by force, the right of self-determination exercised by the Israeli People. The Arabs were the aggressor, the external interference, and the territorial invader; leaving their sovereignty and entering another. They couldn't have been more in the wrong then if they were an Axis Power.

The concept of inalienable national rights of the people applies equally as well to the Jewish People as it does to the Palestinian People.

Most Respectfully,
R

Please show us a link of the attacks against the Palestinians you are talking about.

Note the date they left their home in West Jerusalem.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd2fdoJxCcw]A Palestian talks about the Nakba -1/4 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[toastman]

I didnt ask for a video Tinmore.
She me a link that documented the specific attack and dates.

 

[montelatici]

The Arab chose invasion and war; discarding the Rule of Law.

The non-Jews, which included Christians, chose to seek help from fellow non-Jews to see if they could prevent being dispossessed of their homes and lands. They would have been dispossessed either way, so this was a desperate attempt to prevent a continuation of rule by Europeans, when they had been promised independence.

Just as you can't criticize the native americans for at least attempting to resist the settlement and rule by Europeans in North America, you can't criticize the non-Jews for resisting settlement by and rule of Europeans in Palestine. Nor can you criticize their continued resistance, it is what any people would do.

Whether their resistance will result in eventual freedom, who knows?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I didnt ask for a video Tinmore.
She me a link that documented the specific attack and dates.

Najd (Arabic: نجد*) was a Palestinian Arab village, located 14 kilometers (8.7 mi) northeast of Gaza City. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were expelled[6] and fled to Gaza.

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hossfly]

See more at Exodus 19:1-6

Do you have any idea where Mount Sinai is? It's not anywhere near where zionists are currently occupying land.

But that brings up one of the many inconsistencies and lies in the Old Testament. Yahweh said he was from Egypt in Hos. 12:9 and says he was from Sinai in Deut. 33:2.

The passages I noted were about who owned the earth and the disposition of the property rights. Not about a geography lesson. You continue to project.

 

[MrMax]

I didnt ask for a video Tinmore.
She me a link that documented the specific attack and dates.

Najd (Arabic: نجد*) was a Palestinian Arab village, located 14 kilometers (8.7 mi) northeast of Gaza City. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were expelled[6] and fled to Gaza.

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So what's the problem? Cleared the place of carpet kissing morons. Isn't that a good thing?

They could have given the arabs some smallpox infested blankets like your ancestors gave the indians. Is that what you'd prefer?

 

[Kondor3]

Jordan attacked Israel first DURING THE 6 day war. In other words, Jordan entered the war on their own means.
How you didn't manage to understand that is beyond me , Billo.

The discussion was regarding who started the 6 Day War and you shot back with...

"Jordan attacked first..."​

Back-peddle all you want, it won't change what you said.

Yes, and they DID attack first during the 6 day war, which you said was not true.

But I proved to you that it WAS true. I cant believe I have to explain this to you!

The Egyptians closed the straights of Tiran.

The Egyptians massed troops and war-assets alongside their border with Israel.

The Syrians massed troops and war-assets alongside their border with Israel.

The Jordanians massed troops and war-assets alongside their border with Israel.

The Egyptian President publicly declared his intention to attack and destroy Israel.

The Israelis hit the Egyptians and Syrians before they could strike at Israel.

The Jordanians sat out the first day.

The Israelis pleaded with the Jordanians on Day One not to join in the attack.

The Jordanian king replied that it was too late - that the die was cast.

The Jordanians joined the attack on Day Two, striking Israel first.

The Jordanians did, indeed, attack Israel first.

This is a well-documented historic fact, and not a matter for debate.

Unless there is an Alternate Reality explanation that hasn't come up on my scope yet.

 

[Hossfly]

The discussion was regarding who started the 6 Day War and you shot back with...

"Jordan attacked first..."​

Back-peddle all you want, it won't change what you said.

Yes, and they DID attack first during the 6 day war, which you said was not true.

But I proved to you that it WAS true. I cant believe I have to explain this to you!

The Egyptians closed the straights of Tiran.

The Egyptians massed troops and war-assets alongside their border with Israel.

The Syrians massed troops and war-assets alongside their border with Israel.

The Jordanians massed troops and war-assets alongside their border with Israel.

The Egyptian President publicly declared his intention to attack and destroy Israel.

The Israelis hit the Egyptians and Syrians before they could strike at Israel.

The Jordanians sat out the first day.

The Israelis pleaded with the Jordanians on Day One not to join in the attack.

The Jordanian king replied that it was too late - that the die was cast.

The Jordanians joined the attack on Day Two, striking Israel first.

The Jordanians did, indeed, attack Israel first.

This is a well-documented historic fact, and not a matter for debate.

Unless there is an Alternate Reality explanation that hasn't come up on my scope yet.

The reality for Billo is to take woulda-shoulda-coulda and turn them into facts and believe it.

 

[Phoenall]

We have all heard a gazillion times that Israel accepted resolution 181 and the Palestinians rejected it. It is true that the Palestinians rejected the partition of their country as they had the right to do and as anyone else in the world would have done.

However, let's look at Israel's so called acceptance.

1) Israel rejected the proposed borders and was attacking and expelling Palestinians outside of those borders before its declaration.

2) Israel rejected an international Jerusalem by attacking and expelling Palestinians from Jerusalem before its declaration.

3) Israel rejected the rights of the non Jewish population by attacking the Muslims and Christians in Palestine.​

So, what part of resolution 181 did Israel accept?

Please show us a link of the attacks against the Palestinians you are talking about.

Note the date they left their home in West Jerusalem.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd2fdoJxCcw]A Palestian talks about the Nakba -1/4 - YouTube[/ame]

AND she says it was in April, she also says that they were told it would only be for a short time before they could return victorious. Now what does this tell us about the likes of her family leaving Jerusalem, because to me it says that they left under their own volition with the promise of returning shortly once the Jews had been killed. So why didn't her family return to their home in 1949 after the Jews had been beaten back and evicted from the west bank and Jerusalem. What crime had they committed that stopped them from returning.

By the way it proves nothing of your alleged attacks on arab muslims by the Jews, just that arab muslims left willingly and hoped to return. It also tells of the Jews willingness to fight the arab invaders when they did attack, and that they were prepared to evict those arabs that were involved in the upcoming attack on the Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

The Arab chose invasion and war; discarding the Rule of Law.

The non-Jews, which included Christians, chose to seek help from fellow non-Jews to see if they could prevent being dispossessed of their homes and lands. They would have been dispossessed either way, so this was a desperate attempt to prevent a continuation of rule by Europeans, when they had been promised independence.

Just as you can't criticize the native americans for at least attempting to resist the settlement and rule by Europeans in North America, you can't criticize the non-Jews for resisting settlement by and rule of Europeans in Palestine. Nor can you criticize their continued resistance, it is what any people would do.

Whether their resistance will result in eventual freedom, who knows?

So you sanction the colonisation of the Americas and Africa by Europeans who came uninvited. But are dead set against the Jews from Europe returning to their homeland invited by the legal owners of the land. The Jews brought European methods with them that have led to a much greater level of achievement, and you ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS are upset at being left behind once again.

As I have shown the non Jews were offered full Israeli citizenship if they wanted it, those that have stayed are now better of than any other group in the M.E.

 

[montelatici]

The Arab chose invasion and war; discarding the Rule of Law.

The non-Jews, which included Christians, chose to seek help from fellow non-Jews to see if they could prevent being dispossessed of their homes and lands. They would have been dispossessed either way, so this was a desperate attempt to prevent a continuation of rule by Europeans, when they had been promised independence.

Just as you can't criticize the native americans for at least attempting to resist the settlement and rule by Europeans in North America, you can't criticize the non-Jews for resisting settlement by and rule of Europeans in Palestine. Nor can you criticize their continued resistance, it is what any people would do.

Whether their resistance will result in eventual freedom, who knows?

So you sanction the colonisation of the Americas and Africa by Europeans who came uninvited. But are dead set against the Jews from Europe returning to their homeland invited by the legal owners of the land. The Jews brought European methods with them that have led to a much greater level of achievement, and you ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS are upset at being left behind once again.

As I have shown the non Jews were offered full Israeli citizenship if they wanted it, those that have stayed are now better of than any other group in the M.E.

So you sanction the colonisation of the Americas and Africa by Europeans

How do you derive that from my post? No, I do not sanction the settlement of the Americas or the colonization of Africa by the Europeans. In the case of the Americas, the Europeans were able to eliminate most of the indigenous population through genocide and resettlement in reservations, so there is very little that can be done to redress the destruction. The Africans were able to resist and are now free of European rule.

 

[Phoenall]

I didnt ask for a video Tinmore.
She me a link that documented the specific attack and dates.

Najd (Arabic: نجد*) was a Palestinian Arab village, located 14 kilometers (8.7 mi) northeast of Gaza City. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were expelled[6] and fled to Gaza.

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So what the inhabitants were known to be involved in the war on the Jews so they were evicted from Jewish land. They were not shot and raped like many who opposed Islams land thefts and violence.

Now produce evidence of specific attacks and dates from months before the invasion by arab muslims, were Jews attacked innocent people and shot them to clear the land for an upcoming Jewish invasion.

 

[toastman]

I didnt ask for a video Tinmore.
She me a link that documented the specific attack and dates.

Najd (Arabic: نجد*) was a Palestinian Arab village, located 14 kilometers (8.7 mi) northeast of Gaza City. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were expelled[6] and fled to Gaza.

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This happened during the Mandatory Palestine Civil war Tinmore.
Palestinian Arab attacked and killed Jews as well during this time, but because you are an expert propagandist, you make it seem like it was ONLY Jews attacking Arabs.

 

[Kondor3]

I didnt ask for a video Tinmore.
She me a link that documented the specific attack and dates.

Najd (Arabic: نجد*) was a Palestinian Arab village, located 14 kilometers (8.7 mi) northeast of Gaza City. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were expelled[6] and fled to Gaza.

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This happened during the Mandatory Palestine Civil war Tinmore. Palestinian Arab attacked and killed Jews as well during this tine, but be ause yiu are an expert propagandist, you make it seem like it was ONLY Jews attacking Arabs.

Strange, how that works, isn't it?

 

[montelatici]

I didnt ask for a video Tinmore.
She me a link that documented the specific attack and dates.

Najd (Arabic: نجد*) was a Palestinian Arab village, located 14 kilometers (8.7 mi) northeast of Gaza City. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were expelled[6] and fled to Gaza.

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This happened during the Mandatory Palestine Civil war Tinmore.
Palestinian Arab attacked and killed Jews as well during this time, but because you are an expert propagandist, you make it seem like it was ONLY Jews attacking Arabs.

And, your ilk would have us believe that the Jews were peaceful little kittens being attacked by the evil Moooooooooslims and Xtians. You people are hilarious. the fact is, Irgun and Haganah began ethnically cleansing Palestine of non-Jews long before any Arab attack.

 

[MrMax]

Najd (Arabic: نجد*) was a Palestinian Arab village, located 14 kilometers (8.7 mi) northeast of Gaza City. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were expelled[6] and fled to Gaza.

Najd, Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This happened during the Mandatory Palestine Civil war Tinmore.
Palestinian Arab attacked and killed Jews as well during this time, but because you are an expert propagandist, you make it seem like it was ONLY Jews attacking Arabs.

And, your ilk would have us believe that the Jews were peaceful little kittens being attacked by the evil Moooooooooslims and Xtians. You people are hilarious. the fact is, Irgun and Haganah began ethnically cleansing Palestine of non-Jews long before any Arab attack.

The real fact is that people have been fighting over that patch of land for millennia. You just can't handle that the Jews won this round, maybe forever.