I will not Bow!

[Phoenall]

So when was their application of independence thrown out then, as I believe they became a SOVEREIGN nation in 1988.

Who gives a shit what you believe!

Caught out in another LIE

What was the lie, fuckhead?

You should for a start as you show your illiteracy in regards to International law everythime you post your ISLAMONAZI JEW HATRED SHIT

That the Palestinians have no sovereignty when they declared in in 1988, and Israel did not oppose them.

 

[Phoenall]

None of which applies to the arab muslims as they were given the right to declare a nation on mandated land. The arab muslims exercised their right to free determination and refused the offer and went to war instead.
The arab muslims tried unsuccessfully to wipe out the Jews on 3 separate occasions against the very charter you are claiming was never granted to them. But these 3 attempts at genocide show that they used their right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
Not one nation is interfering in the internal affairs or disrespecting their sovereign rights unless you can prove otherwise from a reputable unbiased source. What is happening is that because of terrorist attacks, violence and belligerent actions by the arab muslims Israel is forced to take measures under the Geneva conventions and the UN charter to try and stop the attacks. This leads to the ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS declaring that Israel is an apartheid state when the truth is the arab muslim state is apartheid in the extreme

Over 100 UN resolutions, say you're full of shit!

People like you, don't deserve a country.

Then produce these 100 UN resolutions that show that the Palestinians were refused the chance to form a nation and show free determination. That is the only factor that you are debating

 

[Phoenall]

In other words you have realised you don't have a leg to stand on so resort to the only vestige you have left. That is to deflect and derail by making outlandish claims and repeating ISLAMONAZI blood libels amd LIES rather than answer the questions.

The science of DNA can now determine in which village your ancestors came from 2000 years ago. This is why the Palestinians refuse to be tested as it will show they are recent migrants to the area.

And yes I am a Zionist in that I believe that the Jewish people should have a homeland in their cultural and religious area with the right to defend that homeland from attack.

What you don't have, is a right to someone else's homeland.

Who's homeland has been taken away then ?

Bear in mind that the land of Palestine was not a homeland to any group until 1948 .

 

[Phoenall]

Only one problem the DNA shows that the vast majority are not Europeans racially, but Middle Eastern Jews with the same haplotype genetic marker as that found in Jews who had never left the Middle East. Only the Jews had this haplotype marker proving that the Ashkenazi Jews are related to the Sephardic Jews

Many of todays Israeli's, have no lineage with historical Israel.

many of today’s Israelis who emigrated from Europe after World War II have little or no genealogical connection to the land. According to...historical analysis, they are descendents of European converts, principally from the Kingdom of the Khazars in eastern Russia, who embraced Judaism in the Eighth Century, A.D.

The descendants of the Khazars then were driven from their native lands by invasion and conquest and – through this migration – created the Jewish populations of Eastern Europe

The Palestinian's, on the otherhand, are the direct descendents of the Israelites.

Your proof of this is what, the words of some ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST

The Palestinians are recent migrants to the area as shown by the ottoman histories.

 

[Phoenall]

In disregard to your excess in verbosity and your sliming the Arabs/Palestinians, I will thank you for your link.

Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

We hear constantly from Israel's propagandists that the Palestinians have no rights because they have never had an independent country or state. There is also a list of other excuses why they don't have rights. Of course none of this is true and the arguments that follow are not true because they are based on false premise.

From your link:

​

None of which applies to the arab muslims as they were given the right to declare a nation on mandated land. The arab muslims exercised their right to free determination and refused the offer and went to war instead.
The arab muslims tried unsuccessfully to wipe out the Jews on 3 separate occasions against the very charter you are claiming was never granted to them. But these 3 attempts at genocide show that they used their right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
Not one nation is interfering in the internal affairs or disrespecting their sovereign rights unless you can prove otherwise from a reputable unbiased source. What is happening is that because of terrorist attacks, violence and belligerent actions by the arab muslims Israel is forced to take measures under the Geneva conventions and the UN charter to try and stop the attacks. This leads to the ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS declaring that Israel is an apartheid state when the truth is the arab muslim state is apartheid in the extreme

Rights are not "given." They are inherent.

The Mandate did not have land.

You can of course back up your claim with proof from an unbiased and corroborative source ?

 

[Phoenall]

Kondor, you (and the rest of the sane world) don't need any DNA test to know this guy is not an australian aborigine:

You don't need any DNA test to know this old man and his granddaughter are not Han chinese either:

Their phenotypes together with your common sense are more than enough for you to avoid this kind of gross mistakes.

But you refuse to accept that this girl is of slavic germanic stock without a DNA test:

You don't allow her phenotype and your common sense to guide you to the right conclusion because of you agenda, Kondor, because you desperately need this girl to be of semitic extraction so you can use her genes to legitimize the state of Israel.

So just like Phoenall you decide to deny a reality that's in front of your eyes.

Sally does make a good point when she says there's no absolute, perfect link between phenotype and genotype a point that MhunterB has made in the past, too.

But let's not make too much of a good argument... Phenotype is a pretty good indication of someone's ancestry... When you see a blond, blue-eyed, pink skinned German its almost certain he's at least 90% caucasian.

It's interesting to note that the rare occasions people become sistematically "suspicious" of the phenotype-genotype relationship is exactly in situations such as this, when they are trying to validate a mithological ancestry.

In your daily lives I bet you, MhunterB and Sally are not nearly as sceptical of phenotypes as you are when you are here debating Israel.

So if someday you lose interest in legitimising the creation of the state of Israel I'm sure you'll have no problem calling that girl what your eyes tell you she really is: an european female.

I take it you have seen the video of the blonde girl abusing the Israeli soldier, are you saying that she is not an arab Palestinian. Which would mean that all the non dark skinned black haired Palestinians are illegal invaders. Does it also mean all the Saudi arabs with very light skin are Europeans as well.

What a complete and utter illiterate fool you are, skin and hair colour by themselves does not denote race. Unless you are a RABID RACIST and will use this against anyone claiming to be Jewish, which you are doing.

When you think about skin color or genetics, think the Roman Empire whose Legions consisted of soldiers from all over the Empire...At its fall, 2/3 of the Roman Army were German mercenaries, light skinned and many red heads.

But there is no doubt that the Palestinian genetic pool proven by science is clearly more related to the original Jews and Christian than the European Jews of the diaspora living in Israel today.

More likely to be as a result of arab slave trade in blonde haired blue eyed females so they could lighten their features. Mix that with people from other parts of the M.E and north Africa/Asia and you get the modern Palestinian muslim. A mongrel that has no distinctive racial trait other than that of suffering from sickle cell anaemia due to a genetic defect. The Jews the world over show the characteristic haplotype DNA marker that was around 3,000 years ago and is believed to have originated with Abraham.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It was a plan to partition territory into two states. A sovereign Jewish State and a sovereign Arab state. The Arab rejected the plan , therefore rejecting sovereignty, AT THAT TIME.
I never said they rejected sovereignty forever.

The partition plan had nothing to do with the right to sovereignty.

It did as it opened the door for the arab muslims to show they were ready for free determination and sovereignty. Their refusal to accept both of these shows they are not ready to play in the big boys league.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

 

[P F Tinmore]

Spare me the Automatic Gainsay, Tinny...

The Israelis are in possession of those lands...

And have been, for 66 years now...

They hold the pink-slip nowadays... not you...

Old school.

Parking your ass on a piece of land with a gun no longer means that it is yours.

Tell that to the Palestinians because that is exactly how they think and act.

And backed up by international law.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In other words you have realised you don't have a leg to stand on so resort to the only vestige you have left. That is to deflect and derail by making outlandish claims and repeating ISLAMONAZI blood libels amd LIES rather than answer the questions.

The science of DNA can now determine in which village your ancestors came from 2000 years ago. This is why the Palestinians refuse to be tested as it will show they are recent migrants to the area.

And yes I am a Zionist in that I believe that the Jewish people should have a homeland in their cultural and religious area with the right to defend that homeland from attack.

What you don't have, is a right to someone else's homeland.

Who's homeland has been taken away then ?

Bear in mind that the land of Palestine was not a homeland to any group until 1948 .

In a broader international context, the “Nationality law… showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship.”90 The inclusion of Palestinian nationality in the text of the Palestine Mandate was the first step towards an international recognition of the Palestinian people as distinct from the Ottoman people and other peoples. Palestinian nationality, like any other nationality, constitutes the formula by which a certain group of individuals are being legally connected and enabled to form the people element of the state.91

52With regard to nationality of the inhabitants of mandated territories, in general, the Council of the League of Nations adopted the following resolution on 23 April 1923:

(1) The status of the native inhabitants of a Mandated territory is distinct from that of the nationals of the Mandatory Power....
(2) The native inhabitants of a Mandated territory are not invested with the nationality of the Mandatory Power by means of the protection extended to them…”92​

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

OK, where is your link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

None of which applies to the arab muslims as they were given the right to declare a nation on mandated land. The arab muslims exercised their right to free determination and refused the offer and went to war instead.
The arab muslims tried unsuccessfully to wipe out the Jews on 3 separate occasions against the very charter you are claiming was never granted to them. But these 3 attempts at genocide show that they used their right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
Not one nation is interfering in the internal affairs or disrespecting their sovereign rights unless you can prove otherwise from a reputable unbiased source. What is happening is that because of terrorist attacks, violence and belligerent actions by the arab muslims Israel is forced to take measures under the Geneva conventions and the UN charter to try and stop the attacks. This leads to the ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS declaring that Israel is an apartheid state when the truth is the arab muslim state is apartheid in the extreme

Rights are not "given." They are inherent.

The Mandate did not have land.

You can of course back up your claim with proof from an unbiased and corroborative source ?

You are the one who claimed that rights were given and the mandate had the land.

You should back up your claim.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Once ownership changes hands, it's all over, Tinny.

Ownership has never changed hands.

The Palestinian representative signed land away in the Oslo Accords in return for sovereignty of the rest of the west bank and gaza

Oslo was not a peace agreement. Nothing in Oslo was ratified by the people.

 

[SAYIT]

Originally posted by SAYIT
You are quick to denigrate others, Princess, but when faced with cold, hard facts you run like a little girl. You were quick to judge me "clueless" and disappeared once the facts were posted in response to your shrill braying:

Quote: Originally posted by SAYIT
Compensation ($30 bil) was offered 14 years ago and despite the willingness of the vast majority of Palestinians to accept it and move on.

Quote: Originally Posted by José
How clueless a human being have to be to seriously believe and have the courage to post the statement in bold on an Internet forum?
At lest 92% of the palestinian people consider the ROR a non-negotiable point in any peace agreement.
Sayit's insane statement, completely divorced from reality was too much cheap zionist propaganda EVEN FOR A FANATICAL ZIONIST LIKE KONDOR.


Quote: Originally posted by SAYIT
Perhaps before inserting your foot in your mouth you should know something about the subject, Princess. Read 'em and weep:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...h4CgDg&usg=AFQjCNEBuiAhR-knU0FpLPfPlOdIrLiMUg

RAMALLAH, West Bank (CNN) -- In response to separate polls of more than 4,500 Palestinians living in Lebanon, Jordan, and Gaza and the West Bank, less than a quarter said they would opt to settle in Israel and acquire Israeli citizenship, a Palestinian research group found.

Many Palestinian refugees would prefer to live in an independent Palestinian state or remain where they are rather than settle on lands inside Israel, the survey found.

The hell I did... I just deemed the subject so important that I chose to address it in a separate thread.

You mean rather than address it you chose to slither away and then lie.
Typical anti-Israel scummy.
Why am I not surprised.

 

[montelatici]

Originally posted by SAYIT
You are quick to denigrate others, Princess, but when faced with cold, hard facts you run like a little girl. You were quick to judge me "clueless" and disappeared once the facts were posted in response to your shrill braying:

Quote: Originally posted by SAYIT
Compensation ($30 bil) was offered 14 years ago and despite the willingness of the vast majority of Palestinians to accept it and move on.

Quote: Originally Posted by José
How clueless a human being have to be to seriously believe and have the courage to post the statement in bold on an Internet forum?
At lest 92% of the palestinian people consider the ROR a non-negotiable point in any peace agreement.
Sayit's insane statement, completely divorced from reality was too much cheap zionist propaganda EVEN FOR A FANATICAL ZIONIST LIKE KONDOR.


Quote: Originally posted by SAYIT
Perhaps before inserting your foot in your mouth you should know something about the subject, Princess. Read 'em and weep:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...h4CgDg&usg=AFQjCNEBuiAhR-knU0FpLPfPlOdIrLiMUg

RAMALLAH, West Bank (CNN) -- In response to separate polls of more than 4,500 Palestinians living in Lebanon, Jordan, and Gaza and the West Bank, less than a quarter said they would opt to settle in Israel and acquire Israeli citizenship, a Palestinian research group found.

Many Palestinian refugees would prefer to live in an independent Palestinian state or remain where they are rather than settle on lands inside Israel, the survey found.

The hell I did... I just deemed the subject so important that I chose to address it in a separate thread.

You mean rather than address it you chose to slither away and then lie.
Typical anti-Israel scummy.
Why am I not surprised.

Typical Zionist personal attack.

Why am I not surprised.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You keep posting this citation, but nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne actually says that.

This is one, single and unofficial research paper by the The Bulletin of the French Research Center in Jerusalem (CRFJ) --- an annual publication that aims to promote research and activities CRFJ. While I'm sure it would make a lively debate, it doesn't comport with the official understanding of Palestine in the Mandate Era.

The Treaty did not then (1924), and did not through the term of the Mandate (to 1948) alter the status of Palestine.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

OK, where is your link?

(OBSERVATION)

Nothing in the Treaty changes the Palestine Order in Council:

2. In this Order, unless the contrary intention appears,

"Secretary of State" means one of His Majesty's Principal Secretaries of State.

"Register of voters" or "register" means the register prepared in accordance with this Order of the persons entitled to vote for the election of a member of the Legislative Council.

"Member" means a member of the Legislative Council.

"District" means one of the administrative divisions into which Palestine may be divided by the High Commissioner.

For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

SOURCE: LoN POiC 10 August 1922

The official position, amplified by international public notice, states that:

"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.

"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.

"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.​

"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.

"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."​

SOurCE: PAL/138 27 February 1948

(COMMENT)

One interpretation of the Treaty by a French Research Facility does not make law; or even (necessarily) a sound and valid interpretation of the intent at the time the Treaty was composed (1922-23), or the intent when the Mandate terminated (1948).

For all intent and purposes, your citation means nothing, in that it doesn't change or alter the Nationality protocols established under LoN guidance, and the procedures for citizenship that were established under British civil administration. The Treaty merely codified the processes, protocols and procedural authorities that were already in place by 1924.

At the end of the day, on 15 May 1948: Palestine was:

• Partitioned with a segment made Independence by the Jewish Agency.
• The unclaimed segment was legal entity but it is not a sovereign state.

The Nationality and Citizenship status under the British civil administration or the UNPC civil administration does not change these very simple facts, until the PLO declared independence in 1988.

Don't read more into the treaty than what is there. Under the treaty, Palestine was not discussed, at all --- but was included in the Syrian Territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

What you don't have, is a right to someone else's homeland.

Who's homeland has been taken away then ?

Bear in mind that the land of Palestine was not a homeland to any group until 1948 .

In a broader international context, the “Nationality law… showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship.”90 The inclusion of Palestinian nationality in the text of the Palestine Mandate was the first step towards an international recognition of the Palestinian people as distinct from the Ottoman people and other peoples. Palestinian nationality, like any other nationality, constitutes the formula by which a certain group of individuals are being legally connected and enabled to form the people element of the state.91

52With regard to nationality of the inhabitants of mandated territories, in general, the Council of the League of Nations adopted the following resolution on 23 April 1923:

(1) The status of the native inhabitants of a Mandated territory is distinct from that of the nationals of the Mandatory Power....
(2) The native inhabitants of a Mandated territory are not invested with the nationality of the Mandatory Power by means of the protection extended to them…”92​

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

OK, where is your link?

You keep posting this link as if it has any merit.

 

[MrMax]

Ownership has never changed hands.

The Palestinian representative signed land away in the Oslo Accords in return for sovereignty of the rest of the west bank and gaza

Oslo was not a peace agreement. Nothing in Oslo was ratified by the people.

Then I guess they missed their chance, didn't they?

So you never answered me, when are you giving your own land back to the indians?

 

[Phoenall]

The partition plan had nothing to do with the right to sovereignty.

It did as it opened the door for the arab muslims to show they were ready for free determination and sovereignty. Their refusal to accept both of these shows they are not ready to play in the big boys league.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

First things first that declaration was not in force in 1948 was it, so is irrelevant to the subject matter.

Secondly it deals with colonialism which again does not have any relevance as Palestine was never a colony of any nation after 1960

Thirdly the Palestinians were never stopped from declaring independence by any nation or ruling power but themselves so again this report is irrelevant to the subject natter

Fourthly even though the Palestinians showed Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness they were still accepted as a nation by the world in 1988 when they declared independence. So making your cherry picked small part of the UN resolution irrelevant to the subject matter.

Lastly being just a UN resolution it has no basis in international law and can not be implemented legally.


Your go .............

 

[Phoenall]

Old school.

Parking your ass on a piece of land with a gun no longer means that it is yours.

Tell that to the Palestinians because that is exactly how they think and act.

And backed up by international law.

What International Law would that be then, and not some UN resolution that did not get approved until 30 years after the Partition plan.

Also remember that what ever International law supports the Palestinians side also supports the Israeli side.

 

[Phoenall]

What you don't have, is a right to someone else's homeland.

Who's homeland has been taken away then ?

Bear in mind that the land of Palestine was not a homeland to any group until 1948 .

In a broader international context, the “Nationality law… showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship.”90 The inclusion of Palestinian nationality in the text of the Palestine Mandate was the first step towards an international recognition of the Palestinian people as distinct from the Ottoman people and other peoples. Palestinian nationality, like any other nationality, constitutes the formula by which a certain group of individuals are being legally connected and enabled to form the people element of the state.91

52With regard to nationality of the inhabitants of mandated territories, in general, the Council of the League of Nations adopted the following resolution on 23 April 1923:

(1) The status of the native inhabitants of a Mandated territory is distinct from that of the nationals of the Mandatory Power....
(2) The native inhabitants of a Mandated territory are not invested with the nationality of the Mandatory Power by means of the protection extended to them…”92​

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

OK, where is your link?

Irrelevant as this is just the thoughts of an ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDIST who manipulated treaties and added the term's Palestine and Palestinian into them.


Now you need to follow the route through Wikipedia.

Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Palestine

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This article is about the historical geographic region. For the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, see Palestinian territories. For the declared state (country), see State of Palestine. For other uses, see Palestine (disambiguation).

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

State of Palestine

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This article is about the state proclaimed in 1988 that later became an observer of the United Nations. For the administration established under the Oslo Accords, see Palestinian National Authority. For the administration of the Gaza Strip, see Governance of the Gaza Strip. For the state proclaimed in 1948, see All-Palestine Government

All-Palestine Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The All-Palestine Government (Arabic: حكومة عموم فلسطين Hukumat 'umum Filastin) was established by the Arab League on 22 September 1948, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. It was soon recognized by all Arab League members, except Jordan. Though jurisdiction of the Government was declared to cover the whole of the former Mandatory Palestine, its effective jurisdiction was limited to the Gaza Strip


Now to the reality of Palestine as a state

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Palestine, officially the State of Palestine (Arabic: دولة فلسطين* Dawlat Filasṭīn), is a sovereign state in the Levant. Its independence was declared on 15 November 1988 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and its government-in-exile in Algiers. It claims sovereignty over the Palestinian territories,


So you see International Law dictates that Palestine did not exist before 15 November 1988.

Your source is heavily biased and relies on the Palestinian professors own personal views to expand the reality. The treaties he cites do not contain any reference to Palestine or the Palestinian people, nor do they grant statehood to Palestine or sovereignty to the Palestinian people. In a nutshell your link is a fake, a fabrication an ISLAMONAZI LIE

 

[Phoenall]

Rights are not "given." They are inherent.

The Mandate did not have land.

You can of course back up your claim with proof from an unbiased and corroborative source ?

You are the one who claimed that rights were given and the mandate had the land.

You should back up your claim.

Which has been posted umpteen times and you have ignored it everytime. Start with the San Remo conference and end with the LoN mandate of Palestine and see that the British Government had full control of the land and governed it until such a time as the inhabitants could show they had free determination and could stand on their own feet. The Palestinians have proved they are not capable of free determination and are no capable of governing themselves . Look no further than the civil war going on between hamas and fatah.