I will not Bow!

[Phoenall]

People do not relinquish their homes by being temporarily away for any reason.

But they do relinquish their homes when they start a war and then promptly lose it.

Btw, when are you giving your land back to the Indians?

The Palestinians started a war?

Where did you get that?

Yes the Palestinian muslims were amongst those that started the war in 1948

It is what you are demanding of Israel, so when are you going to show them how.

 

[P F Tinmore]

When you leave your homes at the orders of Enemy Leadership, and run away to Enemy-controlled territory, and take sides with the Enemy, you've blown your chance at citizenship, and forfeited your lands and homes.

Don't like it?

Come and take them back.

If you can.

Can you provide the law that says that?

Nope.

Still, the concept is operative.

You can take whatever 'law' you have in mind to the contrary and use it to augment your supply of toilet paper, for all the good it is ever going to do you.

Such things happen all the time, everywhere around the world, when folks (1) choose the wrong side, (2) abandon their lands, (3) run to the enemy camp, and (4) take sides with the enemy.

Confiscation... seizure... forfeiture... spoils of war... doesn't matter what it's called.

And all the pissant set-aside legal standing in the world isn't gonna change that, Tinny.

If none of that is going to change anything, why pursue it?

Oh... of course... how rude of me... I've forgotten... old, set-aside legal standing is all you have to fight with, for all practical purposes... it's not like you can change things by force-of-arms.

That's what I thought.

You are just shoveling crap.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But they do relinquish their homes when they start a war and then promptly lose it.

Btw, when are you giving your land back to the Indians?

The Palestinians started a war?

Where did you get that?

Yes the Palestinian muslims were amongst those that started the war in 1948

It is what you are demanding of Israel, so when are you going to show them how.

You already said that.

The question is where did you get it.

 

[Phoenall]

People do not relinquish their homes by being temporarily away for any reason.

When you leave your homes at the orders of Enemy Leadership, and run away to Enemy-controlled territory, and take sides with the Enemy, you've blown your chance at citizenship, and forfeited your lands and homes.

Don't like it?

Come and take them back.

If you can.

Can you provide the law that says that?

It is embodied in the rules of war that is International law, and no nation is obliged to take enemies who fought against them back as citizens. The UK is removing British citizenship from muslim migrants who have left to fight in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. They are finding their British passports have been revoked and they cant return to the UK. They have lost all their property and money as a result of their actions.

 

[P F Tinmore]

When you leave your homes at the orders of Enemy Leadership, and run away to Enemy-controlled territory, and take sides with the Enemy, you've blown your chance at citizenship, and forfeited your lands and homes.

Don't like it?

Come and take them back.

If you can.

Can you provide the law that says that?

It is embodied in the rules of war that is International law, and no nation is obliged to take enemies who fought against them back as citizens. The UK is removing British citizenship from muslim migrants who have left to fight in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. They are finding their British passports have been revoked and they cant return to the UK. They have lost all their property and money as a result of their actions.

Where does it say that?

 

[Kondor3]

Can you provide the law that says that?

Nope.

Still, the concept is operative.

You can take whatever 'law' you have in mind to the contrary and use it to augment your supply of toilet paper, for all the good it is ever going to do you.

Such things happen all the time, everywhere around the world, when folks (1) choose the wrong side, (2) abandon their lands, (3) run to the enemy camp, and (4) take sides with the enemy.

Confiscation... seizure... forfeiture... spoils of war... doesn't matter what it's called.

And all the pissant set-aside legal standing in the world isn't gonna change that, Tinny.

If none of that is going to change anything, why pursue it?

Oh... of course... how rude of me... I've forgotten... old, set-aside legal standing is all you have to fight with, for all practical purposes... it's not like you can change things by force-of-arms.

That's what I thought.

You are just shoveling crap.

Think what you like.

The 'demand' that I serve-up supporting 'law' was yours, not mine.

I've made no pretense that Israeli land-confiscation actions in the wake of 1948 were entirely supportable at-law... merely a matter of custom-and-usage, worldwide, historically, and within living memory.

Did the Palestinians not flee their homes and head for enemy territory?

Did the Palestinians not take the side of Israel's enemies?

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture, as a result?

Have those forfeitures been overturned in 66 years?

Have the Palestinians returned to those lands after 66 years?

Any realistic prospect of those forfeitures being overturned in the foreseeable future?

Any realistic prospect of the Palestinians returning to those lands in the foreseeable future?

I never once cited an operative 'law', Tinny, nor did I pretend that one exists, so there was no disingenuous statement or maneuvering on my part.

Everything is out in the open... the land was seized... 66 years ago...

Your boys foolishly and spinelessly gave the Israelis all the excuse they needed after 1948... old law be damned.

There is no 'crap' to shovel.

I merely articulate Reality.

If you don't like Reality, feel free to take that up with the Israeli government, and the IDF.

 

[MrMax]

Of course you duck the question.

Arabs attacked Israel and lost in '67, remember?

So, you give your land back to the indians yet? Or are you ducking my question?

That wasn't the question.

When you can't compete, obfuscate. Arabs started the fighting in '48, '67, up until now they still shoot toy rockets at Israel. And they've already lost and should surrender already. Whether you call them Palestinians or not, it's all the same thing. In fact, since there is no country called Palestine, the word Palestinian denotes a cultural group, if anything, like Asia and asians. Anyways, Israel is also in the area of Palestine, making them Palestinians also, just like Thais are Asian, so are the Chinese...

 

[P F Tinmore]

Arabs attacked Israel and lost in '67, remember?

So, you give your land back to the indians yet? Or are you ducking my question?

That wasn't the question.

When you can't compete, obfuscate. Arabs started the fighting in '48, '67, up until now they still shoot toy rockets at Israel. And they've already lost and should surrender already. Whether you call them Palestinians or not, it's all the same thing. In fact, since there is no country called Palestine, the word Palestinian denotes a cultural group, if anything, like Asia and asians. Anyways, Israel is also in the area of Palestine, making them Palestinians also, just like Thais are Asian, so are the Chinese...

Holy smokescreen, Batman.

So how about answering the question?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nope.

Still, the concept is operative.

You can take whatever 'law' you have in mind to the contrary and use it to augment your supply of toilet paper, for all the good it is ever going to do you.

Such things happen all the time, everywhere around the world, when folks (1) choose the wrong side, (2) abandon their lands, (3) run to the enemy camp, and (4) take sides with the enemy.

Confiscation... seizure... forfeiture... spoils of war... doesn't matter what it's called.

And all the pissant set-aside legal standing in the world isn't gonna change that, Tinny.

If none of that is going to change anything, why pursue it?

Oh... of course... how rude of me... I've forgotten... old, set-aside legal standing is all you have to fight with, for all practical purposes... it's not like you can change things by force-of-arms.

That's what I thought.

You are just shoveling crap.

Think what you like.

Did the Palestinians not flee their homes and head for enemy territory?

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture?

Have those forfeitures been overturned in 66 years?

Have the Palestinians returned to those lands after 66 years?

Any realistic prospect of those forfeitures being overturned in the foreseeable future?

Any realistic prospect of the Palestinians returning to those lands in the foreseeable future?

I never once cited an operative 'law', Tinny, nor did I pretend that one exists, so there was no disingenuous statement or maneuvering on my part.

Everything is out in the open... the land was seized... 66 years ago...

Your boys gave the Israelis all the excuse they needed... old law be damned.

There is no 'crap' to shovel.

I merely articulate Reality.

If you don't like it, feel free to take that up with the IDF.

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture?

No. It was just stolen at the point of a gun.

 

[MrMax]

That wasn't the question.

When you can't compete, obfuscate. Arabs started the fighting in '48, '67, up until now they still shoot toy rockets at Israel. And they've already lost and should surrender already. Whether you call them Palestinians or not, it's all the same thing. In fact, since there is no country called Palestine, the word Palestinian denotes a cultural group, if anything, like Asia and asians. Anyways, Israel is also in the area of Palestine, making them Palestinians also, just like Thais are Asian, so are the Chinese...

Holy smokescreen, Batman.

So how about answering the question?

Ok, so what question do you want answered?

 

[Kondor3]

That's what I thought.

You are just shoveling crap.

Think what you like.

Did the Palestinians not flee their homes and head for enemy territory?

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture?

Have those forfeitures been overturned in 66 years?

Have the Palestinians returned to those lands after 66 years?

Any realistic prospect of those forfeitures being overturned in the foreseeable future?

Any realistic prospect of the Palestinians returning to those lands in the foreseeable future?

I never once cited an operative 'law', Tinny, nor did I pretend that one exists, so there was no disingenuous statement or maneuvering on my part.

Everything is out in the open... the land was seized... 66 years ago...

Your boys gave the Israelis all the excuse they needed... old law be damned.

There is no 'crap' to shovel.

I merely articulate Reality.

If you don't like it, feel free to take that up with the IDF.

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture?

No. It was just stolen at the point of a gun.

Some Palestinian lands were, indeed, taken at gun-point.

Much as the Arabs took various parcels of Jewish land.

It's just that the Jews were much better at that than you were, and you're still pissed about getting your asses kicked, 66 years later.

Much Palestinian land, however, was conceded without firing a shot, nor even without so much as a harsh glance.

It was abandoned when your boys ran away and sided with the enemy.

The Jews merely batted clean-up afterwards, with a few juicy laws to formalize the process.

Had you (metaphorically) not run, nor taken sides with the enemy, you would not be sitting in those shitholes now.

The Palestinians who remained behind and did not take the side of the enemy, and who are now Israeli citizens, are adequate testimony that this is the case.

"A coward dies a thousand deaths (in a refugee shithole for 66 years), the brave man dies but once."

Probably shouldn't have run, and chosen the wrong side, eh?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nope.

Still, the concept is operative.

You can take whatever 'law' you have in mind to the contrary and use it to augment your supply of toilet paper, for all the good it is ever going to do you.

Such things happen all the time, everywhere around the world, when folks (1) choose the wrong side, (2) abandon their lands, (3) run to the enemy camp, and (4) take sides with the enemy.

Confiscation... seizure... forfeiture... spoils of war... doesn't matter what it's called.

And all the pissant set-aside legal standing in the world isn't gonna change that, Tinny.

If none of that is going to change anything, why pursue it?

Oh... of course... how rude of me... I've forgotten... old, set-aside legal standing is all you have to fight with, for all practical purposes... it's not like you can change things by force-of-arms.

That's what I thought.

You are just shoveling crap.

Think what you like.

The 'demand' that I serve-up supporting 'law' was yours, not mine.

I've made no pretense that Israeli land-confiscation actions in the wake of 1948 were entirely supportable at-law... merely a matter of custom-and-usage, worldwide, historically, and within living memory.

Did the Palestinians not flee their homes and head for enemy territory?

Did the Palestinians not take the side of Israel's enemies?

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture, as a result?

Have those forfeitures been overturned in 66 years?

Have the Palestinians returned to those lands after 66 years?

Any realistic prospect of those forfeitures being overturned in the foreseeable future?

Any realistic prospect of the Palestinians returning to those lands in the foreseeable future?

I never once cited an operative 'law', Tinny, nor did I pretend that one exists, so there was no disingenuous statement or maneuvering on my part.

Everything is out in the open... the land was seized... 66 years ago...

Your boys foolishly and spinelessly gave the Israelis all the excuse they needed after 1948... old law be damned.

There is no 'crap' to shovel.

I merely articulate Reality.

If you don't like Reality, feel free to take that up with the Israeli government, and the IDF.

A debate would be so cool.

I want Ilan Pappe, Noura Erakat, and Ben White on my team.

Who do you want on yours?

 

[Kondor3]

That's what I thought.

You are just shoveling crap.

Think what you like.

The 'demand' that I serve-up supporting 'law' was yours, not mine.

I've made no pretense that Israeli land-confiscation actions in the wake of 1948 were entirely supportable at-law... merely a matter of custom-and-usage, worldwide, historically, and within living memory.

Did the Palestinians not flee their homes and head for enemy territory?

Did the Palestinians not take the side of Israel's enemies?

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture, as a result?

Have those forfeitures been overturned in 66 years?

Have the Palestinians returned to those lands after 66 years?

Any realistic prospect of those forfeitures being overturned in the foreseeable future?

Any realistic prospect of the Palestinians returning to those lands in the foreseeable future?

I never once cited an operative 'law', Tinny, nor did I pretend that one exists, so there was no disingenuous statement or maneuvering on my part.

Everything is out in the open... the land was seized... 66 years ago...

Your boys foolishly and spinelessly gave the Israelis all the excuse they needed after 1948... old law be damned.

There is no 'crap' to shovel.

I merely articulate Reality.

If you don't like Reality, feel free to take that up with the Israeli government, and the IDF.

A debate would be so cool.

I want Ilan Pappe, Noura Erakat, and Ben White on my team.

Who do you want on yours?

David ben Gurion, Golda Meir, and Moshe Dayan.

Although I really don't know just what it is, that you think you're debating.

Reality?

 

[montelatici]

Excellent post from an International forum that has a decidedly different point of view:

"Oh, they rejected a plan that would have required the transfer a quarter of a million Christians and Muslims out of their homes in order to achieve a marginal Jewish majority (498,000 Jews versus 410,000 Muslims and Christians) in a Jewish state that would have left Jews ruling lover 45% of the Muslim and Christian population of Palestine. Wonder why they rejected the plan? What people in the frigging world would have accepted such a plan? There were more than twice as many non-Jews in Palestine and Jews were to receive more than half the land according to the UN plan. Are you insane claiming that the non-Jews should have accepted such a plan without a fight?"

 

[P F Tinmore]

Think what you like.

The 'demand' that I serve-up supporting 'law' was yours, not mine.

I've made no pretense that Israeli land-confiscation actions in the wake of 1948 were entirely supportable at-law... merely a matter of custom-and-usage, worldwide, historically, and within living memory.

Did the Palestinians not flee their homes and head for enemy territory?

Did the Palestinians not take the side of Israel's enemies?

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture, as a result?

Have those forfeitures been overturned in 66 years?

Have the Palestinians returned to those lands after 66 years?

Any realistic prospect of those forfeitures being overturned in the foreseeable future?

Any realistic prospect of the Palestinians returning to those lands in the foreseeable future?

I never once cited an operative 'law', Tinny, nor did I pretend that one exists, so there was no disingenuous statement or maneuvering on my part.

Everything is out in the open... the land was seized... 66 years ago...

Your boys foolishly and spinelessly gave the Israelis all the excuse they needed after 1948... old law be damned.

There is no 'crap' to shovel.

I merely articulate Reality.

If you don't like Reality, feel free to take that up with the Israeli government, and the IDF.

A debate would be so cool.

I want Ilan Pappe, Noura Erakat, and Ben White on my team.

Who do you want on yours?

David ben Gurion, Golda Meir, and Moshe Dayan.

Although I really don't know just what it is, that you think you're debating.

Reality?

Are you saying that Israel has no current intelligent and articulate people suitable for debate?

 

[Phoenall]

That's what I thought.

You are just shoveling crap.

Think what you like.

Did the Palestinians not flee their homes and head for enemy territory?

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture?

Have those forfeitures been overturned in 66 years?

Have the Palestinians returned to those lands after 66 years?

Any realistic prospect of those forfeitures being overturned in the foreseeable future?

Any realistic prospect of the Palestinians returning to those lands in the foreseeable future?

I never once cited an operative 'law', Tinny, nor did I pretend that one exists, so there was no disingenuous statement or maneuvering on my part.

Everything is out in the open... the land was seized... 66 years ago...

Your boys gave the Israelis all the excuse they needed... old law be damned.

There is no 'crap' to shovel.

I merely articulate Reality.

If you don't like it, feel free to take that up with the IDF.

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture?

No. It was just stolen at the point of a gun.

Just as the Jews were also stolen at the point of a gun in Jerusalem and Hebron, so will you ask the arab muslims to vacate east Jerusalem and Hebron so the Jews can have their property back ?

Bear in mind that the muslims will also lose the Temple mount and their proposed capital.

 

[toastman]

A debate would be so cool.

I want Ilan Pappe, Noura Erakat, and Ben White on my team.

Who do you want on yours?

David ben Gurion, Golda Meir, and Moshe Dayan.

Although I really don't know just what it is, that you think you're debating.

Reality?

Are you saying that Israel has no current intelligent and articulate people suitable for debate?

What are you trying to debate??

 

[Kondor3]

A debate would be so cool.

I want Ilan Pappe, Noura Erakat, and Ben White on my team.

Who do you want on yours?

David ben Gurion, Golda Meir, and Moshe Dayan.

Although I really don't know just what it is, that you think you're debating.

Reality?

Are you saying that Israel has no current intelligent and articulate people suitable for debate?

Nope. I have no idea whether they have, although I'm hard-pressed to believe that this is so.

Much depends upon the topic for debate.

 

[Phoenall]

That's what I thought.

You are just shoveling crap.

Think what you like.

The 'demand' that I serve-up supporting 'law' was yours, not mine.

I've made no pretense that Israeli land-confiscation actions in the wake of 1948 were entirely supportable at-law... merely a matter of custom-and-usage, worldwide, historically, and within living memory.

Did the Palestinians not flee their homes and head for enemy territory?

Did the Palestinians not take the side of Israel's enemies?

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture, as a result?

Have those forfeitures been overturned in 66 years?

Have the Palestinians returned to those lands after 66 years?

Any realistic prospect of those forfeitures being overturned in the foreseeable future?

Any realistic prospect of the Palestinians returning to those lands in the foreseeable future?

I never once cited an operative 'law', Tinny, nor did I pretend that one exists, so there was no disingenuous statement or maneuvering on my part.

Everything is out in the open... the land was seized... 66 years ago...

Your boys foolishly and spinelessly gave the Israelis all the excuse they needed after 1948... old law be damned.

There is no 'crap' to shovel.

I merely articulate Reality.

If you don't like Reality, feel free to take that up with the Israeli government, and the IDF.

A debate would be so cool.

I want Ilan Pappe, Noura Erakat, and Ben White on my team.

Who do you want on yours?

You have already lost as they like you will not accept anything but ISLAMONAZI sources as factual.

 

[montelatici]

Think what you like.

Did the Palestinians not flee their homes and head for enemy territory?

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture?

Have those forfeitures been overturned in 66 years?

Have the Palestinians returned to those lands after 66 years?

Any realistic prospect of those forfeitures being overturned in the foreseeable future?

Any realistic prospect of the Palestinians returning to those lands in the foreseeable future?

I never once cited an operative 'law', Tinny, nor did I pretend that one exists, so there was no disingenuous statement or maneuvering on my part.

Everything is out in the open... the land was seized... 66 years ago...

Your boys gave the Israelis all the excuse they needed... old law be damned.

There is no 'crap' to shovel.

I merely articulate Reality.

If you don't like it, feel free to take that up with the IDF.

Did the Palestinians not lose their homes through a process of forfeiture?

No. It was just stolen at the point of a gun.

Just as the Jews were also stolen at the point of a gun in Jerusalem and Hebron, so will you ask the arab muslims to vacate east Jerusalem and Hebron so the Jews can have their property back ?

Bear in mind that the muslims will also lose the Temple mount and their proposed capital.

These Jews were European, what were they doing in Jerusalem and Hebron? Had they invaded?