I will not Bow!

[pbel]

Come on, Pbel, with all your constant braying against Israel, do you honestly believe that all the articles coming out are actually honest when it comes to Israel? No one actually cares if there is criticism against any country when the criticism is called for, but with all these articles coming out against Israel and not against all the atrocities happening in the Muslim world, be it in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and Africa, tells you an awful lot. As far as the AP is concerned, there are others who have something to say about their articles which have nothing to do with Israel but with other matters.

Associated Press caught 'restructuring' old EPA news to mislead readers; mainstream media blindly plays along

Associated Press removes Ukraine from dateline of Crimea stories | World news | theguardian.com

Sandy Hook Shocker: Associated Press stories & photos predate the massacre |

Every news organization makes mistakes now and then unintentionally, go back and try to correct the error, but don't tell me veracity is affected by bias....Lies can be traced!

These were not mistakes but deliberate attempts at disinformation, as in the Grossman case. A.P. reported what their "Palestinian source" told them without hesitation. When it was announced that the report was a pack of LIES and was done to demonise Israel and the Jews. A.P. at first ignored the calls for an announcement on why they did not research the story and make sure that it was true. It was only after threats of legal action were raised that A.P. apologised and agreed to pay an undisclosed sum to the media outlets that had lost face and revenue by publishing the false story. This started a concerted research programme into wire services and fake stories, this threw up many instances of tampered photographs and devious behaviour by the wire services and their sources. This investigation is still on going and has thrown up many more examples of media bias that originates from the likes of A.P.

You really are a colorful paranoid...Why in gawds name do you think that the AP purposely wanted to get Israel into a bad light? Seems to me that the Jew Hate card you use is indicative of your-own inner hate.

Get help.

 

[Phoenall]

Every news organization makes mistakes now and then unintentionally, go back and try to correct the error, but don't tell me veracity is affected by bias....Lies can be traced!

These were not mistakes but deliberate attempts at disinformation, as in the Grossman case. A.P. reported what their "Palestinian source" told them without hesitation. When it was announced that the report was a pack of LIES and was done to demonise Israel and the Jews. A.P. at first ignored the calls for an announcement on why they did not research the story and make sure that it was true. It was only after threats of legal action were raised that A.P. apologised and agreed to pay an undisclosed sum to the media outlets that had lost face and revenue by publishing the false story. This started a concerted research programme into wire services and fake stories, this threw up many instances of tampered photographs and devious behaviour by the wire services and their sources. This investigation is still on going and has thrown up many more examples of media bias that originates from the likes of A.P.

You really are a colorful paranoid...Why in gawds name do you think that the AP purposely wanted to get Israel into a bad light? Seems to me that the Jew Hate card you use is indicative of your-own inner hate.

Get help.

ANTI SEMITISM, JEW HATRED, NAZI TENDENCIES and it shows that your LIE about all the worlds media being controlled by the Jews is just that a LIE.

Why manipulate pictures of Beirut and pass them of as gaza, why accept a Palestinians word on an incident when you know it is untruthful. Why print such BARE FACED LIES in the first place knowing that they will harm your circulation figures.

Even when faced with incontrovertible evidence you still defend ISLAMONAZI ANTI SEMETIC JEW HATRED, shows that you are consumed with your personal hate for the Jewish people. Time for you to see a psychologist to find out why you hate Jews so much

 

[Kondor3]

Doesn't matter what you say...

Pro-Muslim propagandists will always have a counterpoint, and juicy rationalization...

Even if they have to conjure one out of thin air...

These were not mistakes but deliberate attempts at disinformation, as in the Grossman case. A.P. reported what their "Palestinian source" told them without hesitation. When it was announced that the report was a pack of LIES and was done to demonise Israel and the Jews. A.P. at first ignored the calls for an announcement on why they did not research the story and make sure that it was true. It was only after threats of legal action were raised that A.P. apologised and agreed to pay an undisclosed sum to the media outlets that had lost face and revenue by publishing the false story. This started a concerted research programme into wire services and fake stories, this threw up many instances of tampered photographs and devious behaviour by the wire services and their sources. This investigation is still on going and has thrown up many more examples of media bias that originates from the likes of A.P.

You really are a colorful paranoid...Why in gawds name do you think that the AP purposely wanted to get Israel into a bad light? Seems to me that the Jew Hate card you use is indicative of your-own inner hate.

Get help.

ANTI SEMITISM, JEW HATRED, NAZI TENDENCIES and it shows that your LIE about all the worlds media being controlled by the Jews is just that a LIE.

Why manipulate pictures of Beirut and pass them of as gaza, why accept a Palestinians word on an incident when you know it is untruthful. Why print such BARE FACED LIES in the first place knowing that they will harm your circulation figures.

Even when faced with incontrovertible evidence you still defend ISLAMONAZI ANTI SEMETIC JEW HATRED, shows that you are consumed with your personal hate for the Jewish people. Time for you to see a psychologist to find out why you hate Jews so much

 

[Billo_Really]

1) your video was in reply to the direct question 'let me know when Israelis are gassing Palestinians to death'

Yes.

thereby meaning you are comparing the gassing of people in German camps to the IDF firing tear gas to disperse a riot.

Thereby "your" meaning, not mine.

That is not the reason I posted the video.

How many times have you (or another poster) responded to a post (with a reply), that had nothing to do with the post you were responding to?

2) every single video you present has no viable evidence of what you or the original poster claim it shows,

So when I post a video of the IDF shooting tear gas at someone, the IDF is not really shooting tear gas at someone?

Is that what you're saying?


And in this video, you're saying the IDF is not shooting at un-armed protestors?





You have definite mental issues!

in fact many have been shown to be from other parts of the world and not a Jew in sight.

I'd like to see you prove that "...other parts of the world..." claim.

As far as "...not a jew in sight...", that's because this has nothing to do with jews.

Is not about jews and has nothing to do with Judaism.

The only time jews are involved, is when you fuckers have no valid argument to present, which is all the time.

 

[Phoenall]

1) your video was in reply to the direct question 'let me know when Israelis are gassing Palestinians to death'

Yes.

thereby meaning you are comparing the gassing of people in German camps to the IDF firing tear gas to disperse a riot.

Thereby "your" meaning, not mine.

That is not the reason I posted the video.

How many times have you (or another poster) responded to a post (with a reply), that had nothing to do with the post you were responding to?

2) every single video you present has no viable evidence of what you or the original poster claim it shows,

So when I post a video of the IDF shooting tear gas at someone, the IDF is not really shooting tear gas at someone?

Is that what you're saying?


And in this video, you're saying the IDF is not shooting at un-armed protestors?





You have definite mental issues!

in fact many have been shown to be from other parts of the world and not a Jew in sight.

I'd like to see you prove that "...other parts of the world..." claim.

As far as "...not a jew in sight...", that's because this has nothing to do with jews.

Is not about jews and has nothing to do with Judaism.

The only time jews are involved, is when you fuckers have no valid argument to present, which is all the time.

So were are the Palestinians being gassed to death in your video

No you used he comparison of Hitlers gas chambers to Israeli crowd riot control using non lethal tear gas.

Personally never..........

When you claim the Israelis are gassing Palestinians to death when they clearly are not then I pull you up short on it

Did not see any bodies so either the Israelis were very poor shots, or the rounds were rubber bullets. Another method of riot control used by the worlds Police and Military. Would you expect the US military to allow you passage onto military property, or would you expect them to warn and then shoot non lethal weapons at you.

Proven claims

Yep because it shows your agenda that you are not concerned about atrocities in other parts of the M.E because you cant racially abuse and demonise the Jews.

Just your opinion which is as worthless as an ashtray on a motorbike.

 

[Kondor3]

Your longer-tenured colleagues here have all seen this critter take-up a stance, argue it into the ground, and then run away when shellacked, or engage in automatic gainsay until its opponents grow weary of the exchange and give up on dealing with it. Such participation requires neither high-order intellectualism nor collegiality; just a fatal dose of intransigence and petulant persistence.

Such is the case here in arguing into the ground, the comparison between the Israelis using tear-gas, and the Nazi gassing of Jews in the 1940s. It will rely upon an irrational degree of hyper-literalism to deny making such comparisons, and automatic-gainsay you until you're blue in the face, just for the sake of argument, even though any warm body with the brains God gave an ant, can see for themselves just what was meant, in the early going.

And, frankly, either you're dealing with an Islamist/Palestinian propaganda shill, or you're dealing with someone who just likes to argue online, and who takes-up the 'con' position and resorts to an overabundance of foul language and abusive conduct towards colleagues, just to be abrasive and to stimulate argument...

It confessed its "I'm here for the argument" motives to me many months ago, and abrasive and argumentative behaviors and the responses those invoke seem to be what it thrives upon; something roughly akin to feeding a troll, or some similar descriptive verbiage.

I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle.... an abrasive, argumentative propaganda shill... but that's pure speculation on my part.

I merely understand that reason and common sense and practicality and survival of the Israelis do not enter into the equation, when trying to deal with the critter, and you can't change that, no matter how hard and how long you try.

Its attempts to compare Israeli use of tear gas to the Nazis gassing the Jews has been well-noted and accepted by most folks around here; it's not fooling anybody; no point in beating that dead horse much longer, I expect. Just a thought.

1) your video was in reply to the direct question 'let me know when Israelis are gassing Palestinians to death'

Yes.


Thereby "your" meaning, not mine.

That is not the reason I posted the video.

How many times have you (or another poster) responded to a post (with a reply), that had nothing to do with the post you were responding to?


So when I post a video of the IDF shooting tear gas at someone, the IDF is not really shooting tear gas at someone?

Is that what you're saying?


And in this video, you're saying the IDF is not shooting at un-armed protestors?





You have definite mental issues!

in fact many have been shown to be from other parts of the world and not a Jew in sight.

I'd like to see you prove that "...other parts of the world..." claim.

As far as "...not a jew in sight...", that's because this has nothing to do with jews.

Is not about jews and has nothing to do with Judaism.

The only time jews are involved, is when you fuckers have no valid argument to present, which is all the time.

So were are the Palestinians being gassed to death in your video

No you used he comparison of Hitlers gas chambers to Israeli crowd riot control using non lethal tear gas.

Personally never..........

When you claim the Israelis are gassing Palestinians to death when they clearly are not then I pull you up short on it

Did not see any bodies so either the Israelis were very poor shots, or the rounds were rubber bullets. Another method of riot control used by the worlds Police and Military. Would you expect the US military to allow you passage onto military property, or would you expect them to warn and then shoot non lethal weapons at you.

Proven claims

Yep because it shows your agenda that you are not concerned about atrocities in other parts of the M.E because you cant racially abuse and demonise the Jews.

Just your opinion which is as worthless as an ashtray on a motorbike.

 

[toastman]

1) your video was in reply to the direct question 'let me know when Israelis are gassing Palestinians to death'

Yes.


Thereby "your" meaning, not mine.

That is not the reason I posted the video.

How many times have you (or another poster) responded to a post (with a reply), that had nothing to do with the post you were responding to?


So when I post a video of the IDF shooting tear gas at someone, the IDF is not really shooting tear gas at someone?

Is that what you're saying?


And in this video, you're saying the IDF is not shooting at un-armed protestors?





You have definite mental issues!

in fact many have been shown to be from other parts of the world and not a Jew in sight.

I'd like to see you prove that "...other parts of the world..." claim.

As far as "...not a jew in sight...", that's because this has nothing to do with jews.

Is not about jews and has nothing to do with Judaism.

The only time jews are involved, is when you fuckers have no valid argument to present, which is all the time.

So were are the Palestinians being gassed to death in your video

No you used he comparison of Hitlers gas chambers to Israeli crowd riot control using non lethal tear gas.

Personally never..........

When you claim the Israelis are gassing Palestinians to death when they clearly are not then I pull you up short on it

Did not see any bodies so either the Israelis were very poor shots, or the rounds were rubber bullets. Another method of riot control used by the worlds Police and Military. Would you expect the US military to allow you passage onto military property, or would you expect them to warn and then shoot non lethal weapons at you.

Proven claims

Yep because it shows your agenda that you are not concerned about atrocities in other parts of the M.E because you cant racially abuse and demonise the Jews.

Just your opinion which is as worthless as an ashtray on a motorbike.

Be got caught making an extremely stupid comparison , and is too much of a coward to admit it. No lying can change what he posted.
He really DID compare Jews being gassed to death to the IDF using tear gas as a means of riot control. It's as clear as day. It's there for anyone to see.

Massive fail on Billo's part!!

 

[aris2chat]

States and identity are not solely tied to religion.

Otherwise Bangledesh would never have split off from Pakistan.

They have no more states than you have - after all, there are Jews all over the world if you look at it that way.

Both deserve recognition of their identity, a right to self determination, and a right to exist as a people. It shouldn't that hard to acknowledge - the legitimacy of fundamental rights are not determined by how long they've been fought for but by what is right and just and human - what we all want for ourselves.

Then Arafat should have accepted the deal offered to him.

Either way, Abbas made it clear, he will not make peace unless the Palestinians have full sovereignty over East Jerusalem and Israel has made it clear in the past that Jerusalem will never be divided.

No peace deal is a WHOLE lot worse for the Palestinians than the Israelis

The Palestinians are not looking for a peace deal. They are looking for peace.

The peace process was designed to fail. It always has and always will. The Palestinians are uniting in their own quest for peace leaving behind the phony peace process.

Israel is the only one who has ever been looking for a peace deal. One that does allow access to their holy sites and does not put their neck on a chopping block though.

 

[montelatici]

Then Arafat should have accepted the deal offered to him.

Either way, Abbas made it clear, he will not make peace unless the Palestinians have full sovereignty over East Jerusalem and Israel has made it clear in the past that Jerusalem will never be divided.

No peace deal is a WHOLE lot worse for the Palestinians than the Israelis

The Palestinians are not looking for a peace deal. They are looking for peace.

The peace process was designed to fail. It always has and always will. The Palestinians are uniting in their own quest for peace leaving behind the phony peace process.

Israel is the only one who has ever been looking for a peace deal. One that does allow access to their holy sites and does not put their neck on a chopping block though.

Now that's hilarious. Reminds of the Afrikaaner propaganda.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

The Palestinians are not looking for a peace deal. They are looking for peace.

The peace process was designed to fail. It always has and always will. The Palestinians are uniting in their own quest for peace leaving behind the phony peace process.

Israel is the only one who has ever been looking for a peace deal. One that does allow access to their holy sites and does not put their neck on a chopping block though.

Now that's hilarious. Reminds of the Afrikaaner propaganda.

There is a huge difference between SA apartheid and the Israel situation. It might be best if you educate yourself because it seems with every post you make you just dig a deeper hole for yourself.

 

[montelatici]

Israel is the only one who has ever been looking for a peace deal. One that does allow access to their holy sites and does not put their neck on a chopping block though.

Now that's hilarious. Reminds of the Afrikaaner propaganda.

There is a huge difference between SA apartheid and the Israel situation. It might be best if you educate yourself because it seems with every post you make you just dig a deeper hole for yourself.

Educate me, what is this huge difference?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Now that's hilarious. Reminds of the Afrikaaner propaganda.

There is a huge difference between SA apartheid and the Israel situation. It might be best if you educate yourself because it seems with every post you make you just dig a deeper hole for yourself.

Educate me, what is this huge difference?

Educate yourself. I am not here to start doing that. If you are on a forum and make outrageous claims then you need to back those claims up.

 

[aris2chat]

The Palestinians are not looking for a peace deal. They are looking for peace.

The peace process was designed to fail. It always has and always will. The Palestinians are uniting in their own quest for peace leaving behind the phony peace process.

Israel is the only one who has ever been looking for a peace deal. One that does allow access to their holy sites and does not put their neck on a chopping block though.

Now that's hilarious. Reminds of the Afrikaaner propaganda.

Jews were trying to make peace and encouraged the palestinians to stay and work with them since '47. Every war and ceasefire was hoped that their would be a mutual peace agreement.
In south africa they were both citizens of the same state. Palestinian don't want to be part of Israel or allow jews to be part of a palestine.
Israel is not keeping the refugees in the camps, their fellow arabs are so the UN will pay for their needs.

 

[montelatici]

There is a huge difference between SA apartheid and the Israel situation. It might be best if you educate yourself because it seems with every post you make you just dig a deeper hole for yourself.

Educate me, what is this huge difference?

Educate yourself. I am not here to start doing that. If you are on a forum and make outrageous claims then you need to back those claims up.

As I thought, there is no tangible difference, as neutral observers have stated.

 

[montelatici]

There is a huge difference between SA apartheid and the Israel situation. It might be best if you educate yourself because it seems with every post you make you just dig a deeper hole for yourself.

Educate me, what is this huge difference?

Educate yourself. I am not here to start doing that. If you are on a forum and make outrageous claims then you need to back those claims up.

What are these "outrageous" claims? I am just repeating what Desmond Tutu, Jimmy Carter and even many fair minded Jews admit:

"Apartheid on Steroids

As a Jew who has been an ardent supporter of Israel since its independence, it pains me to record what I saw on a recent trip to the West Bank. But if the occupation continues as such, Israel’s legitimacy and future are at stake......"

Apartheid on Steroids | The Nation

 

[montelatici]

Israel is the only one who has ever been looking for a peace deal. One that does allow access to their holy sites and does not put their neck on a chopping block though.

Now that's hilarious. Reminds of the Afrikaaner propaganda.

Jews were trying to make peace and encouraged the palestinians to stay and work with them since '47. Every war and ceasefire was hoped that their would be a mutual peace agreement.
In south africa they were both citizens of the same state. Palestinian don't want to be part of Israel or allow jews to be part of a palestine.
Israel is not keeping the refugees in the camps, their fellow arabs are so the UN will pay for their needs.

Really. It does not seem to jive with reality. It seems it is part of the conditioning Americans receive. This is closer to the truth as to what the motives of the Jews were:

" "It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe."

Seven years later, Weitz found himself in a position to put this radical programme into effect. Already, in January 1948, he was orchestrating the expulsion of Palestinians from various parts of the country. In April he proposed - and obtained - the creation of "a body which would direct the Yishuv’s war with the aim of evicting as many Arabs as possible". This body was unofficial at first, but was formalised at the end of August 1948 into the "Transfer Committee" which supervised the destruction of abandoned Arab villages and/or their repopulation with recent Jewish immigrants, in order to make any return of the refugees impossible. Its role was extended, in July, to take in the creation of Jewish settlements in the border areas."

You can read more about and educate yourself.

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

 

[Sally]

Now that's hilarious. Reminds of the Afrikaaner propaganda.

Jews were trying to make peace and encouraged the palestinians to stay and work with them since '47. Every war and ceasefire was hoped that their would be a mutual peace agreement.
In south africa they were both citizens of the same state. Palestinian don't want to be part of Israel or allow jews to be part of a palestine.
Israel is not keeping the refugees in the camps, their fellow arabs are so the UN will pay for their needs.

Really. It does not seem to jive with reality. It seems it is part of the conditioning Americans receive. This is closer to the truth as to what the motives of the Jews were:

" "It must be clear that there is no room in the country for both people (...) the only solution is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel without Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. (...) There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries(...) Not one village must be left, not one (bedouin) tribe."

Seven years later, Weitz found himself in a position to put this radical programme into effect. Already, in January 1948, he was orchestrating the expulsion of Palestinians from various parts of the country. In April he proposed - and obtained - the creation of "a body which would direct the Yishuv’s war with the aim of evicting as many Arabs as possible". This body was unofficial at first, but was formalised at the end of August 1948 into the "Transfer Committee" which supervised the destruction of abandoned Arab villages and/or their repopulation with recent Jewish immigrants, in order to make any return of the refugees impossible. Its role was extended, in July, to take in the creation of Jewish settlements in the border areas."

You can read more about and educate yourself.

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

There are versions of what happened and then there are other versions about what happened. Who to believe, oh who to believe? Meanwhile, perhaps you can tell us wny these "Palestinians" were not clamoring for their own state when the Egyptians and Jordanians were ruling them. I wonder since montelatici states " It seems it is part of the conditioning Americans receive," could she be posting from some Middle East country or is her heart back in one of them, such as Iran?

 

[aris2chat]

Educate me, what is this huge difference?

Educate yourself. I am not here to start doing that. If you are on a forum and make outrageous claims then you need to back those claims up.

What are these "outrageous" claims? I am just repeating what Desmond Tutu, Jimmy Carter and even many fair minded Jews admit:

"Apartheid on Steroids

As a Jew who has been an ardent supporter of Israel since its independence, it pains me to record what I saw on a recent trip to the West Bank. But if the occupation continues as such, Israel’s legitimacy and future are at stake......"

Apartheid on Steroids | The Nation

PA, and the UN, are responsible for the health, education, water and development of jobs. Since Oslo, it is not in the hands of Israel. Where Israel has build and developed industry, they have hired palestinians at Israeli wages. Israel provides jobs in the construction industry as well. Israelis doing more and paying more for palestinians to have jobs than the PA is.
Palestinians do not want to live in the settlements with jews, even if they could afford to do so. They want to make the PA totally jew free, despite the fact that jews lived there before the partition, and war. Jews were forced out by the Jordanians.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

LDM (Le Monde Diplomatique) is an "alternative view" out of Paris; or as some one is quite well known would say:

“Unique, invaluable, reliable, the English edition is wonderful news for those who hope to understand the world or change it for the better”

You can read more about and educate yourself.

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

(COMMENT)

If you like controversial views, this is a very good resource. I read it (the English Version). But I can only take one article at a time before I'm frustrated at they assumption of their views. Whether it educates you or indoctrinates you is dependent on how susceptible you are to anti-American perspectives. Currently, they are tearing into the Obama Administration (not that they don't deserve some criticism). But they offer little in the way of solutions or approaches other than to, as it applies here, surrender to Hostile Palestinian demands; totally and unconditionally.

However, I will say again, if you are looking for alternative view, LMD is an excellent resource; just not my cup of tea. I'm more the Kentucky Straight Bourbon man myself; known to have frequented Hayarkon Street bars in my younger days.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

LDM (Le Monde Diplomatique) is an "alternative view" out of Paris; or as some one is quite well known would say:

“Unique, invaluable, reliable, the English edition is wonderful news for those who hope to understand the world or change it for the better”

You can read more about and educate yourself.

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

(COMMENT)

If you like controversial views, this is a very good resource. I read it (the English Version). But I can only take one article at a time before I'm frustrated at they assumption of their views. Whether it educates you or indoctrinates you is dependent on how susceptible you are to anti-American perspectives. Currently, they are tearing into the Obama Administration (not that they don't deserve some criticism). But they offer little in the way of solutions or approaches other than to, as it applies here, surrender to Hostile Palestinian demands; totally and unconditionally.

However, I will say again, if you are looking for alternative view, LMD is an excellent resource; just not my cup of tea. I'm more the Kentucky Straight Bourbon man myself; known to have frequented Hayarkon Street bars in my younger days.

Most Respectfully,
R

They are not views, they are facts. They include documents that reveal what the motives were and what the Jews plans for the non-Jews were prior to the declaration of the Israeli state. This is not Fox News, it is Le Monde, one of the world's must serious news organizations, considered the most even-handed politically in the world.

There is nothing anti-American (or anti-Israeli) about it. It is just a presentation of facts that have been discovered through research within previously inaccessible archives. And look buddy, I spent a tour as an O-2 in Vietnam with the 196th Light Infantry, there is nothing anti-American about me. I was also with Army Corps of Engineers in Jeddah for 2 years, that's where I met many Palestinians who had been expelled from Palestine who because of their education and command of English worked for us in clerical positions. That's when my views became more neutral.