I will not Bow!

[Phoenall]

There are several facts about Palestine.

The land of Palestine is inside international borders defined by post war treaties.

The Turkish citizens who normally resided on that land became Palestinian nationals.

Those Palestinians became citizens of Palestine as international legal norms specified and confirmed by the Palestine citizenship law of 1925.

This was de facto status until the Treaty of Lausanne was signed on August 6, 1924 when this status became de jure.

These natives of Palestine had certain rights:



Where are the documents showing where foreigners acquired any of that land or had the authority to create a state on that land.

For starters your source of information is wrong and its author slipped in the term Palestine to make it look legitimate. There are no treaties signed by a Palestinian giving it sovereign status and international borders.

Neither did any of the other successor states that were carved out of the defunct Ottoman Empire so I don't see your point.


None of the nationalities of the successor states were mentioned, however, basic principles were laid down that were universally applicable.

Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. They were never British citizens.

The Jews of Palestine took up the offer in the mandate of Palestine to create a nation of their own. This gave then self determination and national sovereignty over the land destined for the Israeli nation.

The mandate never offered a separate anything. Immigrants were to obtain Palestinians citizenship and join the other Palestinians in a shared sovereignty.

The arab Palestinians declined the offer and instigated ALL OUT WAR on Israel. A war they lost and caused an amendment to the Geneva conventions that outlaws such declarations of war for ever.

It seems that you are not concerned with the rights of the Jews and Christians in Palestine to their rights of self determination without outside interference. As under an arab nation they would have no self determination at all. Making you an ISLAMONAZI JEW HATING ANTI SEMITIC POS.

Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and trans Jordan all signed treaties when they were created under the mandate

The other ottoman entities were named in the treaties, only Palestine was omitted deliberately by the parties involved.

Then why were they issued with British or French passports under the mandate

Not according to the league of nations and the mandate of Palestine, the whole idea from the start was to allocate land for each separate entity in the land of Palestine. Because the arab muslims had 3 distinct cults they were given 3 nations Syria, Iraq and Trans Jordan. The Christians were given Lebanon and the Jews were to receive the remainder of Palestine. The treaties stated that the ruling cabal would be the predominant religious entity, but that the other entities could migrate if they wanted or stay as full citizens without fear of harm. Since then the arab muslims have ethnically cleansed their nations of most Christians, muslims of a different sect and all Jews. You really should read the real facts and not the twisted biased version by some ISLAMONAZI Palestinian professor.

 

[pbel]

I will not Bow!

When the ceiling is lower than your height, refusing to bow is foolish.

International Law and Virtual States are quite a low ceiling.

/js

Clearly we see what Putin thinks of International law.

We both agree, let them shoot it up and keep America totally out of it so that Terrorism leaves our borders for supporting a pariah state of Israel against her voluntary wars with Islam....

America via AIPAC is a Lackey for Israel, any doubt?

 

[P F Tinmore]

For starters your source of information is wrong and its author slipped in the term Palestine to make it look legitimate. There are no treaties signed by a Palestinian giving it sovereign status and international borders.

Neither did any of the other successor states that were carved out of the defunct Ottoman Empire so I don't see your point.


None of the nationalities of the successor states were mentioned, however, basic principles were laid down that were universally applicable.

Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. They were never British citizens.


The mandate never offered a separate anything. Immigrants were to obtain Palestinians citizenship and join the other Palestinians in a shared sovereignty.

The arab Palestinians declined the offer and instigated ALL OUT WAR on Israel. A war they lost and caused an amendment to the Geneva conventions that outlaws such declarations of war for ever.

It seems that you are not concerned with the rights of the Jews and Christians in Palestine to their rights of self determination without outside interference. As under an arab nation they would have no self determination at all. Making you an ISLAMONAZI JEW HATING ANTI SEMITIC POS.

Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and trans Jordan all signed treaties when they were created under the mandate

The other ottoman entities were named in the treaties, only Palestine was omitted deliberately by the parties involved.

Then why were they issued with British or French passports under the mandate

Not according to the league of nations and the mandate of Palestine, the whole idea from the start was to allocate land for each separate entity in the land of Palestine. Because the arab muslims had 3 distinct cults they were given 3 nations Syria, Iraq and Trans Jordan. The Christians were given Lebanon and the Jews were to receive the remainder of Palestine. The treaties stated that the ruling cabal would be the predominant religious entity, but that the other entities could migrate if they wanted or stay as full citizens without fear of harm. Since then the arab muslims have ethnically cleansed their nations of most Christians, muslims of a different sect and all Jews. You really should read the real facts and not the twisted biased version by some ISLAMONAZI Palestinian professor.

Do you have quotes and links for all of that?

 

[Phoenall]

I will not Bow!

When the ceiling is lower than your height, refusing to bow is foolish.

International Law and Virtual States are quite a low ceiling.

/js

Clearly we see what Putin thinks of International law.

We both agree, let them shoot it up and keep America totally out of it so that Terrorism leaves our borders for supporting a pariah state of Israel against her voluntary wars with Islam....

America via AIPAC is a Lackey for Israel, any doubt?

Yes let the Israeli's and Palestinians shoot it out with no interference from anyone else, a fight to the death using conventional weapons. If you want it to be played out using all of islam then all of Christendom would need to be involved too, levelling the playing field. I note you want to use greater numbers to fight Israel because that is the Islamic way, being consummate cowards. Which is why they lose every war they start with non Islamic nations.

More ISLAMONAZI bullshit from the ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDIST

 

[Kondor3]

"...so that Terrorism leaves our borders for supporting a pariah state of Israel against her voluntary wars with Islam..."

The United States of America does not tolerate outsiders dictating to her, whom she may be friends with, and whom she may not, and whom she may ally with, and whom she may not.

The moment that we allow that, is the moment that the terrorists have won.

Americans spit on terrorists who try to force their will upon us and kill our innocents in the process of trying to weaken and shatter American willpower, in connection with America's right to choose its own friends and allies as it sees fit.

That contemptuous act of spitting goes double for the fifth columnists and appeasers and agents provocateur and weaklings and frightened sheep amongst us who argue - directly or indirectly - consciously or inadvertently - the cause of the terrorists and those on whose behalf such acts of terror are oftentimes committed.

That contemptuous act of spitting goes triple for those who try to subvert the American Will with talk of appeasing Militant Muslims and abrogating support for old friends so that Militant Muslims will stop conducting terror attacks against us.

The American response is complete and utter contempt for such Militant Muslims and their pen pals here in this country and abroad.

"Millions for Defense, but not one cent for Tribute."

We don't scare easily, Militant Muslim Mouthpieces. Especially not by the likes of you, nor those whom you represent.

We would rather lose some of our precious people, and kill one hundred times as many of yours in response, than to knuckle-under to your threats and demands.

Don't want us in your face? Then stay out of ours. And do not presume to dictate our friends to us. Or ignore that admonition, to your very great peril.

"...America via AIPAC is a Lackey for Israel, any doubt?"

Yes.

There is a great deal of doubt on that score.

But there is little doubt that holding a bias towards Israel is a far better state of affairs than playing the foil and loudspeaker for Militant Islam.

 

[toastman]

Neither did any of the other successor states that were carved out of the defunct Ottoman Empire so I don't see your point.


None of the nationalities of the successor states were mentioned, however, basic principles were laid down that were universally applicable.

Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. They were never British citizens.


The mandate never offered a separate anything. Immigrants were to obtain Palestinians citizenship and join the other Palestinians in a shared sovereignty.

Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and trans Jordan all signed treaties when they were created under the mandate

The other ottoman entities were named in the treaties, only Palestine was omitted deliberately by the parties involved.

Then why were they issued with British or French passports under the mandate

Not according to the league of nations and the mandate of Palestine, the whole idea from the start was to allocate land for each separate entity in the land of Palestine. Because the arab muslims had 3 distinct cults they were given 3 nations Syria, Iraq and Trans Jordan. The Christians were given Lebanon and the Jews were to receive the remainder of Palestine. The treaties stated that the ruling cabal would be the predominant religious entity, but that the other entities could migrate if they wanted or stay as full citizens without fear of harm. Since then the arab muslims have ethnically cleansed their nations of most Christians, muslims of a different sect and all Jews. You really should read the real facts and not the twisted biased version by some ISLAMONAZI Palestinian professor.

Do you have quotes and links for all of that?

Oh please Tinmore. You out of all people asking for links and quotes is just ridiculous

 

[P F Tinmore]

Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and trans Jordan all signed treaties when they were created under the mandate

The other ottoman entities were named in the treaties, only Palestine was omitted deliberately by the parties involved.

Then why were they issued with British or French passports under the mandate

Not according to the league of nations and the mandate of Palestine, the whole idea from the start was to allocate land for each separate entity in the land of Palestine. Because the arab muslims had 3 distinct cults they were given 3 nations Syria, Iraq and Trans Jordan. The Christians were given Lebanon and the Jews were to receive the remainder of Palestine. The treaties stated that the ruling cabal would be the predominant religious entity, but that the other entities could migrate if they wanted or stay as full citizens without fear of harm. Since then the arab muslims have ethnically cleansed their nations of most Christians, muslims of a different sect and all Jews. You really should read the real facts and not the twisted biased version by some ISLAMONAZI Palestinian professor.

Do you have quotes and links for all of that?

Oh please Tinmore. You out of all people asking for links and quotes is just ridiculous

I provide quotes and links. Why don't you?

 

[toastman]

Do you have quotes and links for all of that?

Oh please Tinmore. You out of all people asking for links and quotes is just ridiculous

I provide quotes and links. Why don't you?

No you dont. Even when you do , you provide a link for something that doesnt even back up your claim and then you try and get away with it.

Nice try

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and trans Jordan all signed treaties when they were created under the mandate

The other ottoman entities were named in the treaties, only Palestine was omitted deliberately by the parties involved.

Then why were they issued with British or French passports under the mandate

Not according to the league of nations and the mandate of Palestine, the whole idea from the start was to allocate land for each separate entity in the land of Palestine. Because the arab muslims had 3 distinct cults they were given 3 nations Syria, Iraq and Trans Jordan. The Christians were given Lebanon and the Jews were to receive the remainder of Palestine. The treaties stated that the ruling cabal would be the predominant religious entity, but that the other entities could migrate if they wanted or stay as full citizens without fear of harm. Since then the arab muslims have ethnically cleansed their nations of most Christians, muslims of a different sect and all Jews. You really should read the real facts and not the twisted biased version by some ISLAMONAZI Palestinian professor.

Do you have quotes and links for all of that?

Oh please Tinmore. You out of all people asking for links and quotes is just ridiculous

He wants Rocco's attention.

 

[Hossfly]

Do you have quotes and links for all of that?

Oh please Tinmore. You out of all people asking for links and quotes is just ridiculous

He wants Rocco's attention.

FLASH!!!

Just now was watching Netanyahu on CSPAN addressing the AIPAC Conference. One thingis for sure: Bibi ain't bowing.

FLASH!!!

 

[Phoenall]

Do you have quotes and links for all of that?

Oh please Tinmore. You out of all people asking for links and quotes is just ridiculous

I provide quotes and links. Why don't you?

The links have been provided and you ignore them as "irrelevant" because they destroy your twisted POV.

But here goes again

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The formal objective of the League of Nations Mandate system was to administer parts of the defunct Ottoman Empire, which had been in control of the Middle East since the 16th century, "until such time as they are able to stand alone."[5] The mandate document formalised the division of Palestine, to include a national home for the Jewish people under direct British rule, and Transjordan, an Emirate governed semi-autonomously from Britain under the rule of the Hashemite family


Clear enough for you the legal requirements of the mandate were to provide two states in Palestine Israel and Jordan, not 22 tiny arab muslim states with each ruled by a warlord

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh please Tinmore. You out of all people asking for links and quotes is just ridiculous

I provide quotes and links. Why don't you?

The links have been provided and you ignore them as "irrelevant" because they destroy your twisted POV.

But here goes again

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The formal objective of the League of Nations Mandate system was to administer parts of the defunct Ottoman Empire, which had been in control of the Middle East since the 16th century, "until such time as they are able to stand alone."[5] The mandate document formalised the division of Palestine, to include a national home for the Jewish people under direct British rule, and Transjordan, an Emirate governed semi-autonomously from Britain under the rule of the Hashemite family


Clear enough for you the legal requirements of the mandate were to provide two states in Palestine Israel and Jordan, not 22 tiny arab muslim states with each ruled by a warlord

Where in the Mandate did it call for an exclusive Jewish state?

 

[Ropey]

I will not Bow!

When the ceiling is lower than your height, refusing to bow is foolish.

International Law and Virtual States are quite a low ceiling.

/js

Clearly we see what Putin thinks of International law.

We both agree, let them shoot it up and keep America totally out of it so that Terrorism leaves our borders for supporting a pariah state of Israel against her voluntary wars with Islam....

America via AIPAC is a Lackey for Israel, any doubt?

America is in it because of the US Middle Eastern Oil Hegemony and not Israel.

Get your facts straight.

The US has been trying to get Iran working with them since before the state of Israel. The Sha was instilled long before 1948.

As soon as they got a stranglehold on Iran, they let go of Israel as an inducement to the Iranians.

 

[Sally]

Why are so many pro Palestinians so delusional?? Why do they ignore the truth? Why do they constantly distort facts and re write history?
I seriously dont get it

I do. They are antisemites pure and simple.

The facts are that Europeans, who happened to be Jewish, removed indigenous people from their land and took the land from them. Supporters of this original criminal act (that started this conflict) are delusional if they think that people that were dispossessed will just go away quietly. There is nothing anti-Jewish about supporting the rights of indigenous people. It is just the just and right (and Christian) position.

Here we go again with the "indigenous people." Strange how travelers years and years ago through the area had written that they saw very few Arabs and when they came to the cities they saw Jews. I guess Winston Churchill was lying when he said the Arabs were swarming into the area when the Jews had jobs for them. Perhaps montelatici thinks the British officials in the area was fibbing when they reported back as to what was happening. We see today how the poor people are swarming into Europe and the Western Hemisphere (as well as those who come across our Southern border) for the opportunities they don't have in their own home countries, and it was just the same reason the impoverished Arabs came to Israel in enormous numbers. The Just and Right Christian position would be to be complain about the persecution of the Christians in the Muslim world. However, montelatici is very mum about this.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

True. Jewish agencies and charities worldwide funded the purchase of land and the emigration to the land known as Palestine.

 

[aris2chat]

Why are so many pro Palestinians so delusional?? Why do they ignore the truth? Why do they constantly distort facts and re write history?
I seriously dont get it

I do. They are antisemites pure and simple.

The facts are that Europeans, who happened to be Jewish, removed indigenous people from their land and took the land from them. Supporters of this original criminal act (that started this conflict) are delusional if they think that people that were dispossessed will just go away quietly. There is nothing anti-Jewish about supporting the rights of indigenous people. It is just the just and right (and Christian) position.

arabs told most of them to move and kept them in minimal conditions

 

[Phoenall]

I provide quotes and links. Why don't you?

The links have been provided and you ignore them as "irrelevant" because they destroy your twisted POV.

But here goes again

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The formal objective of the League of Nations Mandate system was to administer parts of the defunct Ottoman Empire, which had been in control of the Middle East since the 16th century, "until such time as they are able to stand alone."[5] The mandate document formalised the division of Palestine, to include a national home for the Jewish people under direct British rule, and Transjordan, an Emirate governed semi-autonomously from Britain under the rule of the Hashemite family


Clear enough for you the legal requirements of the mandate were to provide two states in Palestine Israel and Jordan, not 22 tiny arab muslim states with each ruled by a warlord

Where in the Mandate did it call for an exclusive Jewish state?

It doesn't and there is not an exclusive Jewish state, at least 20% are non Jewish and have the same rights as the Jews. Now were does it say in the mandate that the Jews were to be ruled over by the Palestinian muslims ?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It doesn't. A Jewish National Home can be accomplished in any number of ways. It doesn't exclude a "Jewish State."

Where in the Mandate did it call for an exclusive Jewish state?

(COMMENT)

The recommendation for a "Jewish State" was made by the UN in Resolution 181(II); recognized by the sole representative of the Palestinian People.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[pbel]

When the ceiling is lower than your height, refusing to bow is foolish.

International Law and Virtual States are quite a low ceiling.

/js

Clearly we see what Putin thinks of International law.

We both agree, let them shoot it up and keep America totally out of it so that Terrorism leaves our borders for supporting a pariah state of Israel against her voluntary wars with Islam....

America via AIPAC is a Lackey for Israel, any doubt?

America is in it because of the US Middle Eastern Oil Hegemony and not Israel.

Get your facts straight.

The US has been trying to get Iran working with them since before the state of Israel. The Sha was instilled long before 1948.

As soon as they got a stranglehold on Iran, they let go of Israel as an inducement to the Iranians.

America is nearly a net exporter of oil...Only the armaments by the warmongers make money...

 

[toastman]

We both agree, let them shoot it up and keep America totally out of it so that Terrorism leaves our borders for supporting a pariah state of Israel against her voluntary wars with Islam....

America via AIPAC is a Lackey for Israel, any doubt?

America is in it because of the US Middle Eastern Oil Hegemony and not Israel.

Get your facts straight.

The US has been trying to get Iran working with them since before the state of Israel. The Sha was instilled long before 1948.

As soon as they got a stranglehold on Iran, they let go of Israel as an inducement to the Iranians.

America is nearly a net exporter of oil...Only the armaments by the warmongers make money...

The warmongers are the ones you support