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Don't get all excited my pro-Palestinian friend. GlobeScan/PIPA did the poll, titled "Views of China and India Slide While UK’s Ratings Climb: Global Poll;"conducted between December 2012 and April 2013 and relayed in the general findings.
GlobalScan/PIPA are usually pretty good. But you have to remember that of the entire Arab League, no other Middle East country even made the poll. (WHY?)

Public Narrowly Backs UN Recognition of Palestine: Global Poll

The poll of 20,446 citizens conducted by GlobeScan shows that, while the public is five to two in favour, with three undecided, in only nine countries is there an outright majority of citizens in support of recognizing Palestine as a state.

Across the countries surveyed 49 per cent back the resolution, while 21 per cent say their government should oppose it, and a large proportion (30%) either say that it depends, that their government should abstain, or that they do not know what their government should do.

Support for recognition is strongest in Egypt, where 90 per cent are in favour and only nine per cent opposed. But there is also majority support in the other three predominantly Muslim countries polled – Turkey (60% support, 19% oppose), Pakistan (52% support, 12% oppose) and Indonesia (51% support,16% oppose). Chinese people are the second most likely overall to favour their government voting for recognition of a Palestinian state, with 56 per cent in support, and just nine per cent opposed.

BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations
The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular; only countries less popular than Israel are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.

Americans have drunk the kool aid it seems.
(COMMENT)

If you look at the polls, you will see that while on this discussion board, the Israel-Palestinian Issue is quite important, from a global stand point, it was barely making a scratch.

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While problems such as the ongoing crisis in the Eurozone, climate change, and unrest in the Middle East preoccupy governments around the world as 2012 begins, GlobeScan's regular monitoring of global concern over a range of issues highlights that it is more immediate and everyday problems that are often at the forefront of citizens' minds.
In GlobeScan's annual tracking research, corruption once again emerges as one of the global problems considered to be most serious. It is also the problem that citizens are most likely to cite when asked which global problems they have discussed with their friends and family over the past month.
As this map shows, corruption tops the list of “most talked about” problems in a range of developing and emerging economies, including Peru in South America, Ghana and Egypt in Africa, Turkey in Europe, and India and Indonesia in Asia. Corruption is also often cited as a barrier to getting to grips with many of the other global problems that, as GlobeScan's tracking shows, preoccupy many global citizens.
Taking a strong and public stand against corruption will be an important element in what businesses need to do to demonstrate their relevance to citizens' lives, help build public trust, and maintain their social licence to operate.

There is something important about POLLS. They can show any aspect you want. In this case, the respondence made comment on the aspects that were most important to them at the time. While they were very harsh with Israel on its belligerent nature, they made virtually no supporting comment pertaining to dismounting the occupation in favor of the Palestinian.

66% – 78% of palestinians were pro-israel from 1996 to 2002 – 40min said:
You are expecting the headline to be deceptive or just plain false? Well, it’s based on poll data specifically around confidence in & criticism of PA leadership on the topics of human rights & democracy. Frankly, in 2014, Palestinians still prefer to be ruled by Israel rather than the PA. The quite illogical disclaimer could maybe have been that some Palestinians would prefer worse human rights & democracy, if only they could have Sharia, but the first quoted extract below disproves that.

Read the articles linked to, and the quotes below, carefully, and see if they seem authentic & decide for yourself. Note details like: “The total sample size of this poll is 1319 from Palestinians 18 years and older, in the West Bank (814) and the Gaza Strip (505) Interviewed face-to-face, in 120 locations.”

2014:

Mohamed Samara, a chemical engineer and football coach who spoke with the Post, is a resident of Tira, an Israeli Arab city to the west of Rout 6. He said he is against Liberman’s plan. “We are happy here; we have all the rights and live well and don’t want to be sacrificed,” said Samara. “We do not want to be in a Palestinian state, under a new political area,” he said. “We work here,” he said, noting that his city has good relation with Jews. Asked if he identifies with Palestinians in the West Bank, Samara responded that he has feelings for them and has some family members that live there. However, at the same time Samara says he identifies with being an Israeli citizen. Asked what percentage of residents of Tira would agree with his views, he responded, “90 percent.”​

SOURCE: SOCIETY STACKTRACE

These are the results of the latest poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR) in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip between 19-22 December 2013. said:
Main Findings:

Findings of the last quarter of 2013 indicate that half of the public remains willing to give negotiations a chance but about 70% are pessimistic about the chances for success. On the other hand, most of the public supports the two-state solution and believes that if Abbas does reach a peace agreement with Netanyahu, a majority of the public will vote in favor of that agreement.​

General Analysis:

Full Report: PSR - Survey Research Unit: Poll No. 50 - Full analysis

SOURCE: Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR)

It is not as hopeless as people think. It is fairly clear that Israel could, through a benevolent action, and positive attitude, make a major change in the perceptions held by the Palestinian People. But Israel has to directly address the needs of the people and not those of Fatah or HAMAS.

More importantly, it seems that these changes have affected attitudes regarding whose way is the best to end occupation and build a Palestinian state.
..............................................................................................Excerpt: PSR Report

Most Respectfully,
R
 
There are several facts about Palestine.

The land of Palestine is inside international borders defined by post war treaties.

The Turkish citizens who normally resided on that land became Palestinian nationals.

Those Palestinians became citizens of Palestine as international legal norms specified and confirmed by the Palestine citizenship law of 1925.

This was de facto status until the Treaty of Lausanne was signed on August 6, 1924 when this status became de jure.

These natives of Palestine had certain rights:



Where are the documents showing where foreigners acquired any of that land or had the authority to create a state on that land.




For starters your source of information is wrong and its author slipped in the term Palestine to make it look legitimate. There are no treaties signed by a Palestinian giving it sovereign status and international borders. As proven before the Palestinians were not mentioned in the treaty and the citizenship laws gave them the title of British Palestinians.

The Jews of Palestine took up the offer in the mandate of Palestine to create a nation of their own. This gave then self determination and national sovereignty over the land destined for the Israeli nation. The arab Palestinians declined the offer and instigated ALL OUT WAR on Israel. A war they lost and caused an amendment to the Geneva conventions that outlaws such declarations of war for ever.

It seems that you are not concerned with the rights of the Jews and Christians in Palestine to their rights of self determination without outside interference. As under an arab nation they would have no self determination at all. Making you an ISLAMONAZI JEW HATING ANTI SEMITIC POS.

Most of us are concerned about the rights of Christians, they are mostly Palestinians and Arabs and suffer the same discrimination and aggression at the hands of the Jews. (except for the Russian immigrants that couldn't pass the racial tests and were not qualified to be Jewish) Not recognizing this fact makes you a ZIOFACSIST GENTILE HATING RACIST . To use your own debating techniques, do you think such childishness helps the debate?

Unless one is an Arab posting here and hates to see the Jews governing one small part of the Middle East, the others blabbering about the Christians sound like they can't wait to become Dhimmis. Has anyone seen these potential Dhimmis bringing up the horrific treatment of the Christians in other Middle East countries? Perhaps the Christians lying dead in the streets because of their religious beliefs doesn't bother them at all because they can't blame the Jews. It is suggested that the potential Dhimmis should find some articles written by Raymond Ibrahim, a Christian himself with roots in Egypt, and others like him so that they can keep abreast about what is happening to Christians not only in the Middle East but the rest of the Muslim world.
 
For starters your source of information is wrong and its author slipped in the term Palestine to make it look legitimate. There are no treaties signed by a Palestinian giving it sovereign status and international borders. As proven before the Palestinians were not mentioned in the treaty and the citizenship laws gave them the title of British Palestinians.

The Jews of Palestine took up the offer in the mandate of Palestine to create a nation of their own. This gave then self determination and national sovereignty over the land destined for the Israeli nation. The arab Palestinians declined the offer and instigated ALL OUT WAR on Israel. A war they lost and caused an amendment to the Geneva conventions that outlaws such declarations of war for ever.

It seems that you are not concerned with the rights of the Jews and Christians in Palestine to their rights of self determination without outside interference. As under an arab nation they would have no self determination at all. Making you an ISLAMONAZI JEW HATING ANTI SEMITIC POS.

Most of us are concerned about the rights of Christians, they are mostly Palestinians and Arabs and suffer the same discrimination and aggression at the hands of the Jews. (except for the Russian immigrants that couldn't pass the racial tests and were not qualified to be Jewish) Not recognizing this fact makes you a ZIOFACSIST GENTILE HATING RACIST . To use your own debating techniques, do you think such childishness helps the debate?

Unless one is an Arab posting here and hates to see the Jews governing one small part of the Middle East, the others blabbering about the Christians sound like they can't wait to become Dhimmis. Has anyone seen these potential Dhimmis bringing up the horrific treatment of the Christians in other Middle East countries? Perhaps the Christians lying dead in the streets because of their religious beliefs doesn't bother them at all because they can't blame the Jews. It is suggested that the potential Dhimmis should find some articles written by Raymond Ibrahim, a Christian himself with roots in Egypt, and others like him so that they can keep abreast about what is happening to Christians not only in the Middle East but the rest of the Muslim world.

If I had a choice of living in Israel or an Arab country, I would easily choose the Western thinking Israeli state...Thankfully I need not make that choice...

Israel was re-created right smack in the middle of a sea of Islam...A foolish choice of real-estate for a safe-haven.
 
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"...If I had a choice of living in Israel or an Arab country, I would easily choose the Western thinking Israeli state...Thankfully I need not make that choice... "
Well, that much is good to hear, anyway.

"...Israel was re-created right smack in the middle of a sea of Islam...A foolish choice of real-estate for a safe-haven."
The Holy Land is the Holy Land, even when it's surrounded by Infidels and Barbarians.
 
"...If I had a choice of living in Israel or an Arab country, I would easily choose the Western thinking Israeli state...Thankfully I need not make that choice... "
Well, that much is good to hear, anyway.

"...Israel was re-created right smack in the middle of a sea of Islam...A foolish choice of real-estate for a safe-haven."
The Holy Land is the Holy Land, even when it's surrounded by Infidels and Barbarians.

Choices based on religion are barbaric anachronisms...
 
"...If I had a choice of living in Israel or an Arab country, I would easily choose the Western thinking Israeli state...Thankfully I need not make that choice... "
Well, that much is good to hear, anyway.

"...Israel was re-created right smack in the middle of a sea of Islam...A foolish choice of real-estate for a safe-haven."
The Holy Land is the Holy Land, even when it's surrounded by Infidels and Barbarians.

Choices based on religion are barbaric anachronisms...
Tell that to the Catholics, pertaining to Rome...

Tell that to the Anglicans, pertaining to Canterbury...

Tell that to the Lutherans, pertaining to Worms...

Tell that to the Greek (and Russian) Orthodox, pertaining to Constantinople (Istanbul)...

Tell that to the Copts, pertaining to Alexandria...

Tell that to the Muslims, pertaining to Mecca and Medinah...

Tell that to the Jews, pertaining to the Holy Land and Jerusalem...

Looks like they're in good company...

Even if they are surrounded by Neanderthals...
 
Well, that much is good to hear, anyway.


The Holy Land is the Holy Land, even when it's surrounded by Infidels and Barbarians.

Choices based on religion are barbaric anachronisms...
Tell that to the Catholics, pertaining to Rome...

Tell that to the Anglicans, pertaining to Canterbury...

Tell that to the Lutherans, pertaining to Worms...

Tell that to the Greek (and Russian) Orthodox, pertaining to Constantinople (Istanbul)...

Tell that to the Copts, pertaining to Alexandria...

Tell that to the Muslims, pertaining to Mecca and Medinah...

Tell that to the Jews, pertaining to the Holy Land and Jerusalem...

Looks like they're in good company...

Even if they are surrounded by Neanderthals...

I tell it to everyone..there is One Humanity!
 
I will not Bow!

When the ceiling is lower than your height, refusing to bow is foolish.

International Law and Virtual States are quite a low ceiling.

/js

Clearly we see what Putin thinks of International law.
 
There are several facts about Palestine.

The land of Palestine is inside international borders defined by post war treaties.

The Turkish citizens who normally resided on that land became Palestinian nationals.

Those Palestinians became citizens of Palestine as international legal norms specified and confirmed by the Palestine citizenship law of 1925.

This was de facto status until the Treaty of Lausanne was signed on August 6, 1924 when this status became de jure.

These natives of Palestine had certain rights:



Where are the documents showing where foreigners acquired any of that land or had the authority to create a state on that land.




For starters your source of information is wrong and its author slipped in the term Palestine to make it look legitimate. There are no treaties signed by a Palestinian giving it sovereign status and international borders. As proven before the Palestinians were not mentioned in the treaty and the citizenship laws gave them the title of British Palestinians.

The Jews of Palestine took up the offer in the mandate of Palestine to create a nation of their own. This gave then self determination and national sovereignty over the land destined for the Israeli nation. The arab Palestinians declined the offer and instigated ALL OUT WAR on Israel. A war they lost and caused an amendment to the Geneva conventions that outlaws such declarations of war for ever.

It seems that you are not concerned with the rights of the Jews and Christians in Palestine to their rights of self determination without outside interference. As under an arab nation they would have no self determination at all. Making you an ISLAMONAZI JEW HATING ANTI SEMITIC POS.

Most of us are concerned about the rights of Christians, they are mostly Palestinians and Arabs and suffer the same discrimination and aggression at the hands of the Jews. (except for the Russian immigrants that couldn't pass the racial tests and were not qualified to be Jewish) Not recognizing this fact makes you a ZIOFACSIST GENTILE HATING RACIST . To use your own debating techniques, do you think such childishness helps the debate?





Shows how much you really know then doesn't it, as I am a gentile Christian. That is a true Christian not a make believe Christian like you, who is an ISLAMONAZI SAVAGE. The Christians face untold discrimination and aggression from the arabs than from the Jews. This is why so many Christians from the holy land are seeking entry into Israel and the numbers of Christians in arab nations is declining through persecution and mass murders.

For the record the Russian immigrants all have the genetic marker present in only the Jews, as do the Ethiopian Jews. But not one arab has any genetic markers that could tie them to Palestine. This slip up shows you to be a POS ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDIST
 
Of course, as you well know he never said it but then the truth has never been an impediment to PressTV half-wits, eh Princess?

The quote originated with the pro-Hamas American group Islamic Association for Palestine in an Oct. 13, 2001 press release, which claimed as its source Israeli radio Kol Yisrael.

Kol Yisrael denies IAP's claim and IAP failed to record it. How convenient.

No wonder someone like you would buy into it.

Yes, I showed him that the quote was a hoax in 2415 on here. Of course though he only sees what he wants to and only believes what he wants to.

The link for those who want to know more.
CAMERA: Syndicated Columnist Georgie Anne Geyer Uses Fabricated Sharon Quote

CAMERA is a Zionist propaganda site, worthless as a source of information.





And you are an ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA PLANT that has been rumbled. Spill your guts out to sherri at the next computer
 
Most of us are concerned about the rights of Christians, they are mostly Palestinians and Arabs and suffer the same discrimination and aggression at the hands of the Jews. (except for the Russian immigrants that couldn't pass the racial tests and were not qualified to be Jewish) Not recognizing this fact makes you a ZIOFACSIST GENTILE HATING RACIST . To use your own debating techniques, do you think such childishness helps the debate?

Unless one is an Arab posting here and hates to see the Jews governing one small part of the Middle East, the others blabbering about the Christians sound like they can't wait to become Dhimmis. Has anyone seen these potential Dhimmis bringing up the horrific treatment of the Christians in other Middle East countries? Perhaps the Christians lying dead in the streets because of their religious beliefs doesn't bother them at all because they can't blame the Jews. It is suggested that the potential Dhimmis should find some articles written by Raymond Ibrahim, a Christian himself with roots in Egypt, and others like him so that they can keep abreast about what is happening to Christians not only in the Middle East but the rest of the Muslim world.

If I had a choice of living in Israel or an Arab country, I would easily choose the Western thinking Israeli state...Thankfully I need not make that choice...

Israel was re-created right smack in the middle of a sea of Islam...A foolish choice of real-estate for a safe-haven.





Yet after 66 Years of conflict and violence Israel is still there and flourishing, the arabs are on the run and a hiding to nothing.
 
"...If I had a choice of living in Israel or an Arab country, I would easily choose the Western thinking Israeli state...Thankfully I need not make that choice... "
Well, that much is good to hear, anyway.

"...Israel was re-created right smack in the middle of a sea of Islam...A foolish choice of real-estate for a safe-haven."
The Holy Land is the Holy Land, even when it's surrounded by Infidels and Barbarians.

Choices based on religion are barbaric anachronisms...





Yet you fawn all over the muslims when they use their religious choices. They obey the commands from their god to "KILL THE JEWS" and to inhabit the lands of the world in allahs name.
 
Choices based on religion are barbaric anachronisms...
Tell that to the Catholics, pertaining to Rome...

Tell that to the Anglicans, pertaining to Canterbury...

Tell that to the Lutherans, pertaining to Worms...

Tell that to the Greek (and Russian) Orthodox, pertaining to Constantinople (Istanbul)...

Tell that to the Copts, pertaining to Alexandria...

Tell that to the Muslims, pertaining to Mecca and Medinah...

Tell that to the Jews, pertaining to the Holy Land and Jerusalem...

Looks like they're in good company...

Even if they are surrounded by Neanderthals...

I tell it to everyone..there is One Humanity!





Its a pity your arab friends don't show any humanity then isn't it
 
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WhT kind of document are you looking for?

There are several facts about Palestine.

The land of Palestine is inside international borders defined by post war treaties.

The Turkish citizens who normally resided on that land became Palestinian nationals.

Those Palestinians became citizens of Palestine as international legal norms specified and confirmed by the Palestine citizenship law of 1925.

This was de facto status until the Treaty of Lausanne was signed on August 6, 1924 when this status became de jure.

These natives of Palestine had certain rights:

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

Where are the documents showing where foreigners acquired any of that land or had the authority to create a state on that land.

For starters your source of information is wrong and its author slipped in the term Palestine to make it look legitimate. There are no treaties signed by a Palestinian giving it sovereign status and international borders.
Neither did any of the other successor states that were carved out of the defunct Ottoman Empire so I don't see your point.

As proven before the Palestinians were not mentioned in the treaty and the citizenship laws gave them the title of British Palestinians.
None of the nationalities of the successor states were mentioned, however, basic principles were laid down that were universally applicable.

Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. They were never British citizens.

The Jews of Palestine took up the offer in the mandate of Palestine to create a nation of their own. This gave then self determination and national sovereignty over the land destined for the Israeli nation.
The mandate never offered a separate anything. Immigrants were to obtain Palestinians citizenship and join the other Palestinians in a shared sovereignty.

The arab Palestinians declined the offer and instigated ALL OUT WAR on Israel. A war they lost and caused an amendment to the Geneva conventions that outlaws such declarations of war for ever.

It seems that you are not concerned with the rights of the Jews and Christians in Palestine to their rights of self determination without outside interference. As under an arab nation they would have no self determination at all. Making you an ISLAMONAZI JEW HATING ANTI SEMITIC POS.
 
Why are so many pro Palestinians so delusional?? Why do they ignore the truth? Why do they constantly distort facts and re write history?
I seriously dont get it

I do. They are antisemites pure and simple. :mad:

The facts are that Europeans, who happened to be Jewish, removed indigenous people from their land and took the land from them. Supporters of this original criminal act (that started this conflict) are delusional if they think that people that were dispossessed will just go away quietly. There is nothing anti-Jewish about supporting the rights of indigenous people. It is just the just and right (and Christian) position.
 
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