It was YOU who identified the war-in-question (1948) and YOU who asserted that its loss by the Arabs was an Israeli lie, in your first post in the sequence, not me.That land remains Palestine. What did Israel win? What did the Palestinians lose?
Israel occupies Palestine. That is not a legal status for a state.
The exchange between you and I was not about whether or not the land remains Palestine.
The exchange between you and I was not about whether the Israelis won anything.
The exchange between you and I was not about whether the Palestinians lost anything.
The exchange between you and I was not about whether Israel occupies Palestine.
The exchange between you and I was not about whether occupation is a legal status for a state.
The exchange between you and I was about whether the Arabs lost the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and your assertion that this was an Israeli lie, as voiced in the following...
"...Not really. Look at one of Israel's biggest lies: The Arabs lost the 1948 war..."
The exchange between you and I this morning was limited to whether or not the Arabs (defined as the combined efforts of the Egyptians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Syrians and Palestinians) lost the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, or whether that was an Israeli lie.
We have already discussed the two primary objectives of the Arab war effort...
1. destruction of the infant State of Israel
2. restoration of all of Old Palestinian to Arab control
The Arabs failed to achieve both war goals.
Fail to achieve your war goals and you lose the war.
As evidence of failure to achieve their war goals, the glaringly obvious was served up:
1. Israel still exists
2. Most of Old Palestine is under Israeli control; much of that held/acquired in 1948.
These are hard facts, and incontrovertible.
The Arabs failed to achieve their war goals in 1948.
Ergo, the Arabs lost the 1948 War.
This is Reality.
There is no appeal.
Case closed.
Sequence concluded.
Of course the 1948 war was a different war than the one started against the Palestinians but we will look at it anyway...
True."...An armistice was called by UN Security Council Resolution..."
One does not have to surrender, in order to lose a war."...An armistice is the cessation of hostilities without anyone surrendering..."
One merely has to fail to attain one's war objectives.
One does not have to lose any land to lose a war."...None of those Arab countries lost any land due to that war."
One merely has to fail to attain one's war objectives.
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