I will never understand the rightwing's uncompromising trust of Big Business

[Billy000]

Rightwingers go on and on about their disdain and lack of trust of the federal government yet these feelings are not shared of Big Business.

Doesn't it bother you that corporate crime prosecution is so low?

Doesn't it bother you that often times their only punishment is paying petty fines?

Doesn't it bother you just how evil Monsanto is? Nothing oppresses farmers like that corporation does.

Anyone care to explain? I trust government over some big corporations any day of the week (yes, I understand many corporations aren't evil).

 

[Kosh]

Rightwingers go on and on about their disdain and lack of trust of the federal government yet these feelings are not shared of Big Business.

Doesn't it bother you that corporate crime prosecution is so low?

Doesn't it bother you that often times their only punishment is paying petty fines?

Doesn't it bother you just how evil Monsanto is? Nothing oppresses farmers like that corporation does.

Anyone care to explain? I trust government over some big corporations any day of the week (yes, I understand many corporations aren't evil).

Tell you story to the unions..

Heavy Hitters Top All-Time Donors 1989-2014 OpenSecrets

 

[Little-Acorn]

I will never understand the rightwing's uncompromising trust of Big Business


Another thread that starts by telling a lie about the "rightwing" (who is that, anyway? They're certainly not conservatives), and then bashes them for it?

Don't you people have anything relevant to say?

You really need some new material. This tactic is getting very old.

 

[Billy000]

Twenty Things You Should Know About Corporate Crime Alternet

The FBI estimates, for example, that burglary and robbery -- street crimes -- costs the nation $3.8 billion a year.

The losses from a handful of major corporate frauds -- Tyco, Adelphia, Worldcom, Enron -- swamp the losses from all street robberies and burglaries combined.

Health care fraud alone costs Americans $100 billion to $400 billion a year.

The savings and loan fraud -- which former Attorney General Dick Thornburgh called "the biggest white collar swindle in history" -- cost us anywhere from $300 billion to $500 billion.

And then you have your lesser frauds: auto repair fraud, $40 billion a year, securities fraud, $15 billion a year -- and on down the list.

19. Corporate crime is often violent crime.

Recite this list of corporate frauds and people will immediately say to you: but you can’t compare street crime and corporate crime -- corporate crime is not violent crime.

Not true.

Corporate crime is often violent crime.

The FBI estimates that, 16,000 Americans are murdered every year.

Compare this to the 56,000 Americans who die every year on the job or from occupational diseases such as black lung and asbestosis and the tens of thousands of other Americans who fall victim to the silent violence of pollution, contaminated foods, hazardous consumer products, and hospital malpractice.

These deaths are often the result of criminal recklessness. Yet, they are rarely prosecuted as homicides or as criminal violations of federal laws.

18. Corporate criminals are the only criminal class in the United States that have the power to define the laws under which they live.

The mafia, no.

The gangstas, no.

The street thugs, no.

But the corporate criminal lobby, yes. They have marinated Washington -- from the White House to the Congress to K Street -- with their largesse. And out the other end come the laws they can live with. They still violate their own rules with impunity. But they make sure the laws are kept within reasonable bounds.

Exhibit A -- the automobile industry.

Over the past 30 years, the industry has worked its will on Congress to block legislation that would impose criminal sanctions on knowing and willful violations of the federal auto safety laws. Today, with very narrow exceptions, if an auto company is caught violating the law, only a civil fine is imposed.

17. Corporate crime is underprosecuted by a factor of say -- 100. And the flip side of that -- corporate crime prosecutors are underfunded by a factor of say -- 100.

Big companies that are criminally prosecuted represent only the tip of a very large iceberg of corporate wrongdoing.

For every company convicted of health care fraud, there are hundreds of others who get away with ripping off Medicare and Medicaid, or face only mild slap-on-the-wrist fines and civil penalties when caught.

For every company convicted of polluting the nation’s waterways, there are many others who are not prosecuted because their corporate defense lawyers are able to offer up a low-level employee to go to jail in exchange for a promise from prosecutors not to touch the company or high-level executives.

For every corporation convicted of bribery or of giving money directly to a public official in violation of federal law, there are thousands who give money legally through political action committees to candidates and political parties. They profit from a system that effectively has legalized bribery.[QUOTE/]

 

[Billy000]

I will never understand the rightwing's uncompromising trust of Big Business


Another thread that starts by tellinng a lie about the "rightwing" (who is that, anyway? They're certainly not conservatives), and then bashes them for it?

Don't you people have anything relevant to say?

You really need some new material. THis tactic is getting very old.

Oh please. Anytime a liberal criticizes big business you clowns say the usual moronic bullshit "you're a socialist facist pawn of Obama derp derp derp"

 

[Redfish]

Rightwingers go on and on about their disdain and lack of trust of the federal government yet these feelings are not shared of Big Business.

Doesn't it bother you that corporate crime prosecution is so low?

Doesn't it bother you that often times their only punishment is paying petty fines?

Doesn't it bother you just how evil Monsanto is? Nothing oppresses farmers like that corporation does.

Anyone care to explain? I trust government over some big corporations any day of the week (yes, I understand many corporations aren't evil).

Ken Lay is dead, Madoff is in jail, GE was fined, Crooked CEOs get their due. Do you trust the IRS? How about CDC? TSA? HHS? DOD? the FED? Fannie and Freddie? the VA?

Corporations are not inherently bad or good. They reflect the goodness or badness of their boards and officers.

Government is not inherently bad or good. It reflects the goodness or badness of the people we elect.

 

[g5000]

Ken Lay is dead, Madoff is in jail, GE was fined, Crooked CEOs get their due. Do you trust the IRS? How about CDC? TSA? HHS? DOD? the FED? Fannie and Freddie? the VA?

Corporations are not inherently bad or good. They reflect the goodness or badness of their boards and officers.

Government is not inherently bad or good. It reflects the goodness or badness of the people we elect.

Not one of the perpetrators of the widespread securities fraud which contributed to the economic meltdown has spent an hour in jail.

They paid fines which add up to less than the profits they made from their scams. And that money for the fines came out of the stockholders' pockets.

Not one of the perpetrators of the ongoing widespread securities fraud which has taken place since the meltdown (LIBOR, ISDAfix, etc.) is under arrest.

I bet you can't even explain any of the workings of a single one of these frauds due to your willful blindness.

 

[Billy000]

Rightwingers go on and on about their disdain and lack of trust of the federal government yet these feelings are not shared of Big Business.

Doesn't it bother you that corporate crime prosecution is so low?

Doesn't it bother you that often times their only punishment is paying petty fines?

Doesn't it bother you just how evil Monsanto is? Nothing oppresses farmers like that corporation does.

Anyone care to explain? I trust government over some big corporations any day of the week (yes, I understand many corporations aren't evil).

Ken Lay is dead, Madoff is in jail, GE was fined, Crooked CEOs get their due. Do you trust the IRS? How about CDC? TSA? HHS? DOD? the FED? Fannie and Freddie? the VA?

Corporations are not inherently bad or good. They reflect the goodness or badness of their boards and officers.

Government is not inherently bad or good. It reflects the goodness or badness of the people we elect.

I'm not suggesting corporations are inherently bad. I think many of them are however.

You have given anecdotal examples of corporate prosecution. The actual stats say different.

I trust most but not all government agencies. I have a great respect for the TSA. I don't trust the NSA.

 

[Kosh]

Twenty Things You Should Know About Corporate Crime Alternet

The FBI estimates, for example, that burglary and robbery -- street crimes -- costs the nation $3.8 billion a year.

The losses from a handful of major corporate frauds -- Tyco, Adelphia, Worldcom, Enron -- swamp the losses from all street robberies and burglaries combined.

Health care fraud alone costs Americans $100 billion to $400 billion a year.

The savings and loan fraud -- which former Attorney General Dick Thornburgh called "the biggest white collar swindle in history" -- cost us anywhere from $300 billion to $500 billion.

And then you have your lesser frauds: auto repair fraud, $40 billion a year, securities fraud, $15 billion a year -- and on down the list.

19. Corporate crime is often violent crime.

Recite this list of corporate frauds and people will immediately say to you: but you can’t compare street crime and corporate crime -- corporate crime is not violent crime.

Not true.

Corporate crime is often violent crime.

The FBI estimates that, 16,000 Americans are murdered every year.

Compare this to the 56,000 Americans who die every year on the job or from occupational diseases such as black lung and asbestosis and the tens of thousands of other Americans who fall victim to the silent violence of pollution, contaminated foods, hazardous consumer products, and hospital malpractice.

These deaths are often the result of criminal recklessness. Yet, they are rarely prosecuted as homicides or as criminal violations of federal laws.

18. Corporate criminals are the only criminal class in the United States that have the power to define the laws under which they live.

The mafia, no.

The gangstas, no.

The street thugs, no.

But the corporate criminal lobby, yes. They have marinated Washington -- from the White House to the Congress to K Street -- with their largesse. And out the other end come the laws they can live with. They still violate their own rules with impunity. But they make sure the laws are kept within reasonable bounds.

Exhibit A -- the automobile industry.

Over the past 30 years, the industry has worked its will on Congress to block legislation that would impose criminal sanctions on knowing and willful violations of the federal auto safety laws. Today, with very narrow exceptions, if an auto company is caught violating the law, only a civil fine is imposed.

17. Corporate crime is underprosecuted by a factor of say -- 100. And the flip side of that -- corporate crime prosecutors are underfunded by a factor of say -- 100.

Big companies that are criminally prosecuted represent only the tip of a very large iceberg of corporate wrongdoing.

For every company convicted of health care fraud, there are hundreds of others who get away with ripping off Medicare and Medicaid, or face only mild slap-on-the-wrist fines and civil penalties when caught.

For every company convicted of polluting the nation’s waterways, there are many others who are not prosecuted because their corporate defense lawyers are able to offer up a low-level employee to go to jail in exchange for a promise from prosecutors not to touch the company or high-level executives.

For every corporation convicted of bribery or of giving money directly to a public official in violation of federal law, there are thousands who give money legally through political action committees to candidates and political parties. They profit from a system that effectively has legalized bribery.[QUOTE/]

And then links to a far left blog site link alternet, nope you are not far left at all.

 

[Redfish]

Rightwingers go on and on about their disdain and lack of trust of the federal government yet these feelings are not shared of Big Business.

Doesn't it bother you that corporate crime prosecution is so low?

Doesn't it bother you that often times their only punishment is paying petty fines?

Doesn't it bother you just how evil Monsanto is? Nothing oppresses farmers like that corporation does.

Anyone care to explain? I trust government over some big corporations any day of the week (yes, I understand many corporations aren't evil).

Ken Lay is dead, Madoff is in jail, GE was fined, Crooked CEOs get their due. Do you trust the IRS? How about CDC? TSA? HHS? DOD? the FED? Fannie and Freddie? the VA?

Corporations are not inherently bad or good. They reflect the goodness or badness of their boards and officers.

Government is not inherently bad or good. It reflects the goodness or badness of the people we elect.

Not one of the perpetrators of the widespread securities fraud which contributed to the economic meltdown has spent an hour in jail.

They paid fines which add up to less than the profits they made from their scams. And that money came out of the stockholders' pockets.

Not one of the perpetrators of the ongoing widespread securities fraud which has taken place since the meltdown is under arrest.

Neither have Barney Frank or Chris Dodd or Charley Rangel. Are senators and congressmen exempt from prosecution?

And, Madoff is in jail so your claim is bogus.

 

[Kosh]

I will never understand the rightwing's uncompromising trust of Big Business


Another thread that starts by tellinng a lie about the "rightwing" (who is that, anyway? They're certainly not conservatives), and then bashes them for it?

Don't you people have anything relevant to say?

You really need some new material. THis tactic is getting very old.

Oh please. Anytime a liberal criticizes big business you clowns say the usual moronic bullshit "you're a socialist facist pawn of Obama derp derp derp"

So the truth hurts, although you are not a liberal, you are far left.

 

[g5000]

Rightwingers go on and on about their disdain and lack of trust of the federal government yet these feelings are not shared of Big Business.

Doesn't it bother you that corporate crime prosecution is so low?

Doesn't it bother you that often times their only punishment is paying petty fines?

Doesn't it bother you just how evil Monsanto is? Nothing oppresses farmers like that corporation does.

Anyone care to explain? I trust government over some big corporations any day of the week (yes, I understand many corporations aren't evil).

Ken Lay is dead, Madoff is in jail, GE was fined, Crooked CEOs get their due. Do you trust the IRS? How about CDC? TSA? HHS? DOD? the FED? Fannie and Freddie? the VA?

Corporations are not inherently bad or good. They reflect the goodness or badness of their boards and officers.

Government is not inherently bad or good. It reflects the goodness or badness of the people we elect.

Not one of the perpetrators of the widespread securities fraud which contributed to the economic meltdown has spent an hour in jail.

They paid fines which add up to less than the profits they made from their scams. And that money came out of the stockholders' pockets.

Not one of the perpetrators of the ongoing widespread securities fraud which has taken place since the meltdown is under arrest.

Neither have Barney Frank or Chris Dodd or Charley Rangel. Are senators and congressmen exempt from prosecution?

And, Madoff is in jail so your claim is bogus.

Madoff did not commit any of the frauds which contributed to to the meltdown.

I bet you can't even explain any of the workings of a single one of these frauds due to your willful blindness.

I find it amusing you only chose to name Democrats as the partners in these crimes.

 

[Redfish]

Rightwingers go on and on about their disdain and lack of trust of the federal government yet these feelings are not shared of Big Business.

Doesn't it bother you that corporate crime prosecution is so low?

Doesn't it bother you that often times their only punishment is paying petty fines?

Doesn't it bother you just how evil Monsanto is? Nothing oppresses farmers like that corporation does.

Anyone care to explain? I trust government over some big corporations any day of the week (yes, I understand many corporations aren't evil).

Ken Lay is dead, Madoff is in jail, GE was fined, Crooked CEOs get their due. Do you trust the IRS? How about CDC? TSA? HHS? DOD? the FED? Fannie and Freddie? the VA?

Corporations are not inherently bad or good. They reflect the goodness or badness of their boards and officers.

Government is not inherently bad or good. It reflects the goodness or badness of the people we elect.

I'm not suggesting corporations are inherently bad. I think many of them are however.

You have given anecdotal examples of corporate prosecution. The actual stats say different.

I trust most but not all government agencies. I have a great respect for the TSA. I don't trust the NSA.

question: is doing whatever is legal to maximize shareholder value a good or bad thing?

 

[Theowl32]

I will never understand how the left (who claim they hate big business, corporations and free market enterprise) all enjoy the products, amenities, and the way of life those corporations produce.

Or,

Do they deny they enjoy those things, as they hammer away at their evil key board on the evil computers produced by evil corporations.

The same people mind you, that protest wall street then cheer when this president funnels money into the stock market with ZIRP (Zero Interest Rate Policy) and pays off those people funding his campaigns. Including the richest people in the world like Warren Buffet.

Oh, naaaaah, those guys are truly good people and do nothing for ancillary benefits. Naaaah, it is all evil republicans.

This photo illustrates their hypocrisy better than any other I have found. Look at them. Just, look at them.

 

[Redfish]

Rightwingers go on and on about their disdain and lack of trust of the federal government yet these feelings are not shared of Big Business.

Doesn't it bother you that corporate crime prosecution is so low?

Doesn't it bother you that often times their only punishment is paying petty fines?

Doesn't it bother you just how evil Monsanto is? Nothing oppresses farmers like that corporation does.

Anyone care to explain? I trust government over some big corporations any day of the week (yes, I understand many corporations aren't evil).

Ken Lay is dead, Madoff is in jail, GE was fined, Crooked CEOs get their due. Do you trust the IRS? How about CDC? TSA? HHS? DOD? the FED? Fannie and Freddie? the VA?

Corporations are not inherently bad or good. They reflect the goodness or badness of their boards and officers.

Government is not inherently bad or good. It reflects the goodness or badness of the people we elect.

Not one of the perpetrators of the widespread securities fraud which contributed to the economic meltdown has spent an hour in jail.

They paid fines which add up to less than the profits they made from their scams. And that money came out of the stockholders' pockets.

Not one of the perpetrators of the ongoing widespread securities fraud which has taken place since the meltdown is under arrest.

Neither have Barney Frank or Chris Dodd or Charley Rangel. Are senators and congressmen exempt from prosecution?

And, Madoff is in jail so your claim is bogus.

Madoff did not commit any of the frauds which contributed to to the meltdown.

I bet you can't even explain any of the workings of a single one of these frauds due to your willful blindness.

I find it amusing you only chose to name Democrats as the partners in these crimes.

sorry about that, but Dodd/Frank was written by two democrats. That bill was the direct cause of the so-called housing crisis.

 

[g5000]

sorry about that, but Dodd/Frank was written by two democrats. That bill was the direct cause of the so-called housing crisis.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA! Oh, man, this is awesome.

Dodd-Frank was written AFTER the crisis, you unbelievably ignorant fool. It was written in RESPONSE to the crisis.

Goddam, you are funny!

 

[Billy000]

Rightwingers go on and on about their disdain and lack of trust of the federal government yet these feelings are not shared of Big Business.

Doesn't it bother you that corporate crime prosecution is so low?

Doesn't it bother you that often times their only punishment is paying petty fines?

Doesn't it bother you just how evil Monsanto is? Nothing oppresses farmers like that corporation does.

Anyone care to explain? I trust government over some big corporations any day of the week (yes, I understand many corporations aren't evil).

Ken Lay is dead, Madoff is in jail, GE was fined, Crooked CEOs get their due. Do you trust the IRS? How about CDC? TSA? HHS? DOD? the FED? Fannie and Freddie? the VA?

Corporations are not inherently bad or good. They reflect the goodness or badness of their boards and officers.

Government is not inherently bad or good. It reflects the goodness or badness of the people we elect.

I'm not suggesting corporations are inherently bad. I think many of them are however.

You have given anecdotal examples of corporate prosecution. The actual stats say different.

I trust most but not all government agencies. I have a great respect for the TSA. I don't trust the NSA.

question: is doing whatever is legal to maximize shareholder value a good or bad thing?

Some legal practices are immoral. Just because lobbyists succeeded in pulling strings, it doesn't make it right.

 

[g5000]

I have frequently said the rubes have memories like that of goldfish. Well, now you have seen it for yourselves just now, folks.

DEFINITION OF 'DODD-FRANK WALL STREET REFORM AND CONSUMER PROTECTION ACT '
A compendium of federal regulations, primarily affecting financial institutions and their customers, that the Obama administration passed in 2010 in an attempt to prevent the recurrence of events that caused the 2008 financial crisis.

Dodd-Frank Financial Regulatory Reform Bill Definition Investopedia

 

[Billy000]

I will never understand how the left (who claim they hate big business, corporations and free market enterprise) all enjoy the products, amenities, and the way of life those corporations produce.

Or,

Do they deny they enjoy those things, as they hammer away at their evil key board on the evil computers produced by evil corporations.

The same people mind you, that protest wall street then cheer when this president funnels money into the stock market with ZIRP (Zero Interest Rate Policy) and pays off those people funding his campaigns. Including the richest people in the world like Warren Buffet.

Oh, naaaaah, those guys are truly good people and do nothing for ancillary benefits. Naaaah, it is all evil republicans.

This photo illustrates their hypocrisy better than any other I have found. Look at them. Just, look at them.

You are such a moron. Liberals do not hate the idea of the free market system. How many times must that be explained? Many liberals, like myself, think SOME corporations are corrupt. Why wouldn't they be? They are run by humans after all.

Thank you for illustrating my point by the way.

 

[Redfish]

sorry about that, but Dodd/Frank was written by two democrats. That bill was the direct cause of the so-called housing crisis.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA! Oh, man, this is awesome.

Dodd-Frank was written AFTER the crisis, you unbelievably ignorant fool.

Wrong, the rash of bad mortgages and the financial crisis in fannie and freddie was caused by Dodd/Frank which forced banks to make bad loans to people who could never make the payments. Then those loans were discounted back to fannie and freddie putting them is a net loss position.

the ignorance is yours-------------fool.