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"I welcome their hatred" FDR

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I said from the very begining that Obama needed to find a way to talk to the people like FDR did in his radio addresses.

I think he thought Emails would do it.
 

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I said from the very begining that Obama needed to find a way to talk to the people like FDR did in his radio addresses.

I think he thought Emails would do it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O55aRrvXtio]Obama: Shovel-Ready Not as Shovel-Ready as We Expected - YouTube[/ame]
 

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Why read an article that points out that Obama is not FDR? That is so obvious I do not need to waste my time.

Nor am I going to read anything you linked to, all I want is a simple definition.

Can you supply it, or are you going to continue to link to wild rants and stupid political blogs?

You do realize your above statement explains well your ignorance of history, of presidents, and of the world in general. There is no need for me to answer again, I did above, you on the other hand are just engaging in the same idiotic right wing counter to a president who the conservative republicans have fought since he brought back the American dream of freedom and equality for all. American principles have always been a problem for conservatives.

Washington, Lincoln, and FDR Were Great Presidents - and Great Radicals » New Deal 2.0

'Washington, Lincoln, and FDR Were Great Presidents - and Great Radicals'

"Given the state of American politics and public life, we need to embrace our radical past and start putting it to good use. I refer here not — or at least not simply — to the great tradition of American radicals that has included such figures as revolutionary patriot Thomas Paine, feminist Fannie Wright, abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison, suffragist Elizabeth Cady Stanton, socialist Eugene Debs, anarchist Emma Goldman, and civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr. Just as much, I have in mind those figures whom both historians and the American people at large consider our greatest presidents: George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Rarely thought of as radicals, they definitely do stand as radicals in the American grain."

It would be a lot easier if you just say up front you do not have a definition, then you wouldn't look like an idiot posting links that have nothing to do with my question.

What is an economic royalist?
 

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Welcome to the Almanac of Theodore Roosevelt Almanac of Theodore Roosevelt - Speeches of Theodore Roosevelt - Teddy Roosevelt
DUTY& SELF CONTROL
University of Wisconsin at Madison – April 15, 1911
When you take power, you also assume responsibility.
No man can get power without at the same time acquiring the duty of being held to a rigid accountability for his use of that power. I wish to see the people in absolute control, but when you, the people, assume that control remember that you cannot shirk the responsibility that comes with it. The sovereign in any country, and in any land, must be held accountable for the way in which he uses the vast power that is his, and in our case the sovereign is the people. The idea each of us must have first and foremost, all you individually and severally, and you collectively in company with us as fellow laborers, is duty. That is the important word for us, because the thought it symbolizes is the important thought for us to have ever in our hearts, in our minds. The man who is in danger of oppression from the sovereign can afford to think of his rights, first and foremost, but the man who is really sovereign, or the entity which is really sovereign, must think of its duties first.
When Abraham Lincoln was the head of our people he thought of what? Of his rights? No. He thought of his duties. If he had been thinking of his rights we would not to-day be appealing to his memory. We appeal to his memory because he served duty, because he thought always of his duty to his fellow men. He was a great man, but the people should be greater than any one man, and the people cannot be greater unless the people think of duty more than of right, just as the individual man who rises has to think first of duty and then of his rights. They must think of rights as developed in duty rather than of only their individual rights. Unless the people, unless the sovereign, develop the capacity to think, each one, of what is due from him to his fellows and not of what is due from his fellow to him, unless they develop that capacity, this country, based as it is on popular government, cannot achieve the place that it must and will achieve. I appeal to the memory of men who fought in the Civil War; the soldiers who followed Grant and Sherman. When you went into battle you were not thinking of your rights, you were thinking of your duties, of your duty to the flag, your duty to the country, your duty to the men and women you had left behind, who would rather that you gave that duty even at the cost of life than that you shirked your duty and saved your life. That is what you thought of, and if you had not thought of that you would not have been worth your salt as soldiers. If you had not put duty first and foremost we would not now have had a great united country; the slaves would not now be free.
We have nominally attained, and in certain communities have really attained genuine popular rule, genuine self-government. Now, think what this word means; self-government. It does not mean the absence of government. There must be government or we will have purely anarchy, pure destruction. It means literally self-government. It means that there must be just as much government as before only that it shall be applied by every one. We teach a boy that government means to control himself, and he is able to escape the need of parental control just so far as he develops that power of self-control. There are some boys you can trust, and who are able to shift for themselves just because they are able to control themselves. So it is with our citizenship. Now and then we hear the appeal to give such and such a nation self-government. I have had some worthy friends in Boston appeal to me to give self- government to a number of individuals who regard themselves overdressed when they wear breech-clouts. You cannot give self-government to anybody. He has got to earn it for himself.
You can give him the chance to obtain self-government, but he himself out of his own heart must do the governing. He must govern himself. That is what it means. That is what self-government means. And now, as our people assume control more and more of the machinery of government, as their part in the government occasionally or rapidly becomes more direct, as their representatives become more intelligently their representatives it behooves them to remember that only the exceptional people have ever succeeded in the experiment of self-government, because its needs, its interest, and its success- ful working imply the existence within the heart of the average citizen of certain very high qualities. There must be control. There must be mastery, somewhere, and if there is no self- control and self-mastery, the control and the mastery will ultimately be imposed from without.

http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/images/research/speeches/trdutyandcontrol.pdf
 
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"Welcome hatred"? It's an odd thing for a politician to say. FDR was first elected on a promise to end the recession. In his first two terms we had starved bodies in ditches in the Great Depression. The FDR's solution was soup lines. Every president before him was gentleman enough to bow out after two terms. The arrogant bastard forced Americans to enact a term limit amendment. The ignorant and possibly racist Asian foreign policy caused the criminal negligence of Pearl Harbor and the loss of the entire Philippine Army by April 1942. The only thing the pompous jerk had going for him was his oratory skills which came in handy when you were lying to the American people. FDR could read a lunch menu and make it sound profound.
 
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The proof is in the pudding.

Teddy Roosevelt is interesting and quite a character, he eschewed labels and even though considered republican was really (?) our only independent president. His words are interesting too, but irrelevant to the content of this thread.

The economy had collapsed completely by the time FDR became president. The situation is similar to Obama in 2008. Coolidge and Hoover failed just as Bush failed. FDR's successes are real in spite of the constant revision of history by the conservative corporate supported think tanks of today. Just as dictatorial leaders re-write history, today, republicans cling to an imaginary history so they can ignore their own failures.

"The causes of the Great Depression are hotly disputed by scholars even to this day. No one knows the ultimate reason why the economy started plunging downhill in 1929. However, several things are certain:

There was a variety of things wrong with the economy going into 1929, and they had been deteriorating throughout the decade.

The conservative economic policies of the 1920s -- low taxes, little regulation, lack of anti-trust enforcement -- did nothing to stop the August recession and the October stock market crash.

Hoover kept the Federal Reserve from expanding the money supply while bank panics and billions in lost deposits were contracting it. The Fed's inaction was the reason why the initial recession turned into a prolonged depression.

The economy continually sank throughout Hoover's entire term. Under Roosevelt's New Deal, it rose five out of seven years.

Attempts to blame Big Government for the Depression do not withstand serious scrutiny. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff had a minor impact because trade formed only 6 percent of the U.S. economy, and reducing trade gave Americans only that much more money to spend domestically. Hoover's other attempts at government intervention came mostly during his last year in office, when the Depression was already at its depth.

The first nations to come out of the Great Depression -- Sweden, Germany, Great Britain, and then everyone else -- did so after they adopted the Keynesian solution of heavy deficit government spending.

Keynesian economic policies have eliminated the depression from the world's economies in the six decades that have followed." Summary



Another effective president. "Well, I have been studying the Republican Party for over 12 years at close hand in the Capital of the United States. And by this time, I have discovered where the Republicans stand on most of the major issues. Since they won't tell you themselves, I am going to tell you." Truman Library - Public Papers of the Presidents: Harry S. Truman
 
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Teddy Roosevelt is interesting and quite a character, he eschewed labels and even though considered republican was really (?) our only independent president. His words are interesting too, but irrelevant to the content of this thread.

From the perspective of personal responsibility and duty, it is connected. "I welcome their hatred" seems pretty lame in comparison to a positive message. FDR divided, Obama divides. That is not the kind of leadership we need.
 

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There were multiple causes for the first downturn in 1929. These include the structural weaknesses and specific events that turned it into a major depression and the manner in which the downturn spread from country to country. In relation to the 1929 downturn, historians emphasize structural factors like massive bank failures and the stock market crash. In contrast, economists (such as Barry Eichengreen, Milton Friedman and Peter Temin) point to monetary factors such as actions by the US Federal Reserve that contracted the money supply, as well as Britain's decision to return to the Gold Standard at pre–World War I parities (US$4.86:£1).

Recessions and business cycles are thought to be a normal part of living in a world of inexact balances between supply and demand. What turns a normal recession or 'ordinary' business cycle into an actual depression is a subject of much debate and concern. Scholars have not agreed on the exact causes and their relative importance. Moreover, the search for causes is closely connected to the issue of avoiding future depressions.

Thus, the personal political and policy viewpoints of scholars greatly color their analysis of historic events occurring eight decades ago. An even larger question is whether the Great Depression was primarily a failure on the part of free markets or, alternately, a failure of government efforts to regulate interest rates, curtail widespread bank failures, and control the money supply. Those who believe in a larger economic role for the state believe that it was primarily a failure of free markets, while those who believe in a smaller role for the state believe that it was primarily a failure of government that compounded the problem.

Current theories may be broadly classified into two main points of view and several heterodox points of view. First, there are demand-driven theories, most importantly Keynesian economics, but also including those who point to the breakdown of international trade, and Institutional economists who point to underconsumption and over-investment (causing an economic bubble), malfeasance by bankers and industrialists, or incompetence by government officials. The consensus among demand-driven theories is that a large-scale loss of confidence led to a sudden reduction in consumption and investment spending. Once panic and deflation set in, many people believed they could avoid further losses by keeping clear of the markets. Holding money became profitable as prices dropped lower and a given amount of money bought ever more goods, exacerbating the drop in demand.

Secondly, there are the monetarists, who believe that the Great Depression started as an ordinary recession, but that significant policy mistakes by monetary authorities (especially the Federal Reserve), caused a shrinking of the money supply which greatly exacerbated the economic situation, causing a recession to descend into the Great Depression. Related to this explanation are those who point to debt deflation causing those who borrow to owe ever more in real terms.

Lastly, there are various heterodox theories that downplay or reject the explanations of the Keynesians and monetarists. For example, some new classical macroeconomists have argued that various labor market policies imposed at the start caused the length and severity of the Great Depression. The Austrian school of economics focuses on the macroeconomic effects of money supply, and how central banking decisions can lead to over-investment (economic bubble).
Great Depression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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In all of human history there was never a Great Depression until the government tried to help. Government involvement in the economy exploded just prior to 1913 when we got the IRS & the Federal Reserve. You can see from the government spending as percent of GDP chart that more government means screwed up economy. The words Government is here to help should make people shudder & likely is preventing recovery.

Now idiots attend college & become brainwashed Keynesian's.

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The proof is in the pudding.

Teddy Roosevelt is interesting and quite a character, he eschewed labels and even though considered republican was really (?) our only independent president. His words are interesting too, but irrelevant to the content of this thread.

The economy had collapsed completely by the time FDR became president. The situation is similar to Obama in 2008. Coolidge and Hoover failed just as Bush failed. FDR's successes are real in spite of the constant revision of history by the conservative corporate supported think tanks of today. Just as dictatorial leaders re-write history, today, republicans cling to an imaginary history so they can ignore their own failures.

"The causes of the Great Depression are hotly disputed by scholars even to this day. No one knows the ultimate reason why the economy started plunging downhill in 1929. However, several things are certain:

There was a variety of things wrong with the economy going into 1929, and they had been deteriorating throughout the decade.

The conservative economic policies of the 1920s -- low taxes, little regulation, lack of anti-trust enforcement -- did nothing to stop the August recession and the October stock market crash.

Hoover kept the Federal Reserve from expanding the money supply while bank panics and billions in lost deposits were contracting it. The Fed's inaction was the reason why the initial recession turned into a prolonged depression.

The economy continually sank throughout Hoover's entire term. Under Roosevelt's New Deal, it rose five out of seven years.

Attempts to blame Big Government for the Depression do not withstand serious scrutiny. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff had a minor impact because trade formed only 6 percent of the U.S. economy, and reducing trade gave Americans only that much more money to spend domestically. Hoover's other attempts at government intervention came mostly during his last year in office, when the Depression was already at its depth.

The first nations to come out of the Great Depression -- Sweden, Germany, Great Britain, and then everyone else -- did so after they adopted the Keynesian solution of heavy deficit government spending.

Keynesian economic policies have eliminated the depression from the world's economies in the six decades that have followed." Summary



Another effective president. "Well, I have been studying the Republican Party for over 12 years at close hand in the Capital of the United States. And by this time, I have discovered where the Republicans stand on most of the major issues. Since they won't tell you themselves, I am going to tell you." Truman Library - Public Papers of the Presidents: Harry S. Truman

You really are an idiot.

First you try to lecture me about history, then you spout off an say that conservatives were trying to keep tax rates low in the 1920s. Here is a historical fact for you, there was no federal income tax before 1913, and the initial highest rate was 7%. They went up to 77% during WWI on people making over $1 million. Everyone, including the progressives, thought they should go down at that point. They were gradually dropped so that the top rate was 25%, and that actually caused a period of economic growth that history now calls the roaring 20s.

Nothing that anyone did could have stopped the crash in 1929. That crash was not caused by a lack of regulation, or low taxes. It was caused because people overreacted to a market correction. Since that time the government has implemented many policies that are designed to prevent overreactions like that, and they always fail, yet some people keep blaming the lack of a regulation, even though no one can actually point to any regulation that would prevent people from being people.
 

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The proof is in the pudding.

Teddy Roosevelt is interesting and quite a character, he eschewed labels and even though considered republican was really (?) our only independent president. His words are interesting too, but irrelevant to the content of this thread.

The economy had collapsed completely by the time FDR became president. The situation is similar to Obama in 2008. Coolidge and Hoover failed just as Bush failed. FDR's successes are real in spite of the constant revision of history by the conservative corporate supported think tanks of today. Just as dictatorial leaders re-write history, today, republicans cling to an imaginary history so they can ignore their own failures.

"The causes of the Great Depression are hotly disputed by scholars even to this day. No one knows the ultimate reason why the economy started plunging downhill in 1929. However, several things are certain:

There was a variety of things wrong with the economy going into 1929, and they had been deteriorating throughout the decade.

The conservative economic policies of the 1920s -- low taxes, little regulation, lack of anti-trust enforcement -- did nothing to stop the August recession and the October stock market crash.

Hoover kept the Federal Reserve from expanding the money supply while bank panics and billions in lost deposits were contracting it. The Fed's inaction was the reason why the initial recession turned into a prolonged depression.

The economy continually sank throughout Hoover's entire term. Under Roosevelt's New Deal, it rose five out of seven years.

Attempts to blame Big Government for the Depression do not withstand serious scrutiny. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff had a minor impact because trade formed only 6 percent of the U.S. economy, and reducing trade gave Americans only that much more money to spend domestically. Hoover's other attempts at government intervention came mostly during his last year in office, when the Depression was already at its depth.

The first nations to come out of the Great Depression -- Sweden, Germany, Great Britain, and then everyone else -- did so after they adopted the Keynesian solution of heavy deficit government spending.

Keynesian economic policies have eliminated the depression from the world's economies in the six decades that have followed." Summary



Another effective president. "Well, I have been studying the Republican Party for over 12 years at close hand in the Capital of the United States. And by this time, I have discovered where the Republicans stand on most of the major issues. Since they won't tell you themselves, I am going to tell you." Truman Library - Public Papers of the Presidents: Harry S. Truman

Hoover, President in 1929 WASN'T a Conservative.

Moron

Half what what's posted is total lies.

Total complete Lies
 
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That was a very good synopsis he made of the country's ills

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...in-roosevelts-2nd-new-deal-speech-1936-a.html
For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace--business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred.

I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master.

Sounds like Fox, Koch Bros, Big Oil of yesteryear. ;)
 
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That was a very good synopsis he made of the country's ills

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...in-roosevelts-2nd-new-deal-speech-1936-a.html
For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace--business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred.

I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master.

Sounds like Fox, Koch Bros, Big Oil of yesteryear. ;)

Before the Fed, Hoover and FDR started their Progressive Economic Jihad, you couldn't find an unemployed in America
 

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Franky, boy, you are either the biggest liar on this board, or the dumbest asshole that ever posted here. No unemployed people in the US prior to WW1? LOL
 

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That was a very good synopsis he made of the country's ills

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...in-roosevelts-2nd-new-deal-speech-1936-a.html
For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace--business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred.

I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master.

Sounds like Fox, Koch Bros, Big Oil of yesteryear. ;)

Before the Fed, Hoover and FDR started their Progressive Economic Jihad, you couldn't find an unemployed in America

What? When FDR came into office unemployment was around 30% when he left it was below 5%.
 
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The proof is in the pudding.

"The Roosevelt enactment of Social Security was a moral revolution in our country: We were assured that we would never reach the very depths of poverty. And to be told, that we are now going to gamble it, on Wall Street, is nonsense!" Arthur Hertzberg


"The importance of these timelines cannot be emphasized enough. Seeing the order in which events actually occurred dispels many myths about the Great Depression. One of the greatest of these myths is that government intervention was responsible for its onset. Truly massive intervention began only under the presidency of Franklin Roosevelt in 1933, who was sworn in after the worst had already hit. Although his New Deal did not cure it, all the leading economic indicators improved on his watch."

But don't take my word for it -- here is the raw data:

Timeline Of General Events

1920s (Decade)

During World War I, federal spending grows three times larger than tax collections. When the government cuts back spending to balance the budget in 1920, a severe recession results. However, the war economy invested heavily in the manufacturing sector, and the next decade will see an explosion of productivity... although only for certain sectors of the economy.

An average of 600 banks fail each year.

Agricultural, energy and coal mining sectors are continually depressed. Textiles, shoes, shipbuilding and railroads continually decline.

The value of farmland falls 30 to 40 percent between 1920 and 1929.

Organized labor declines throughout the decade. The United Mine Workers Union will see its membership fall from 500,000 in 1920 to 75,000 in 1928. The American Federation of Labor would fall from 5.1 million in 1920 to 3.4 million in 1929.

"Technological unemployment" enters the nation's vocabulary; as many as 200,000 workers a year are replaced by automatic or semi-automatic machinery.

Over the decade, about 1,200 mergers will swallow up more than 6,000 previously independent companies; by 1929, only 200 corporations will control over half of all American industry.

By the end of the decade, the bottom 80 percent of all income-earners will be removed from the tax rolls completely. Taxes on the rich will fall throughout the decade.

By 1929, the richest 1 percent will own 40 percent of the nation's wealth. The bottom 93 percent will have experienced a 4 percent drop in real disposable per-capita income between 1923 and 1929.

The middle class comprises only 15 to 20 percent of all Americans.

Individual worker productivity rises an astonishing 43 percent from 1919 to 1929. But the rewards are being funneled to the top: the number of people reporting half-million dollar incomes grows from 156 to 1,489 between 1920 and 1929, a phenomenal rise compared to other decades. But that is still less than 1 percent of all income-earners.

1922

The conservative Supreme Court strikes down federal child labor legislation.


lesson continues here: Timeline of the Great Depression
 
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Lesson continued - proof is in the pudding.

"After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world." Calvin Coolidge

Lead up to Great Depression

"1923 President Warren Harding dies in office; his administration was easily one of the most corrupt in American history. Calvin Coolidge, who is squeaky clean by comparison, becomes president. Coolidge is no less committed to laissez-faire and a non-interventionist government. He announces to the American people: "The business of America is business." Supreme Court nullifies minimum wage for women in District of Columbia.

1924 The Ku Klux Klan reaches the height of its influence in America: by the end of the year it will claim 9 million members. It will decline drastically in 1925, however, after financial and moral scandals rock its leadership. The stock market begins its spectacular rise. Bears little relation to the rest of the economy.

1925 The top tax rate is lowered to 25 percent - the lowest top rate in the eight decades since World War I. Supreme Court rules that trade organizations do not violate anti-trust laws as long as some competition survives.

1928 The construction boom is over. Farmers' share of the national income has dropped from 15 to 9 percent since 1920. Between May 1928 and September 1929, the average prices of stocks will rise 40 percent. Trading will mushroom from 2-3 million shares per day to over 5 million. The boom is largely artificial." link above


"In the discharge of the duties of this office, there is one rule of action more important than all others. It consists in never doing anything that someone else can do for you."
Calvin Coolidge
 

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When he said he welcomed their hatred, was he referring to the US citizens that he put in concentration camps?
 

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