"I welcome their hatred" FDR

[CrusaderFrank]

Franky, boy, you are either the biggest liar on this board, or the dumbest asshole that ever posted here. No unemployed people in the US prior to WW1? LOL

Shut up, Fool. I was talking about Harding and Coolidge who drove unemployment down to almost 0%.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That was a very good synopsis he made of the country's ills

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...in-roosevelts-2nd-new-deal-speech-1936-a.html
For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.



Sounds like Fox, Koch Bros, Big Oil of yesteryear.

Before the Fed, Hoover and FDR started their Progressive Economic Jihad, you couldn't find an unemployed in America

What? When FDR came into office unemployment was around 30% when he left it was below 5%.

What was US unemployment before Hitler invaded France?

Take your time.

 

[dilloduck]

FDR got elected by vowing to stay out of the war in Europe.

Yes---he lied too.

 

[ShackledNation]

Neither the war nor FDR's policies ended the Great Depression. The war economy was terrible, and the GDP numbers do not reflect economic conditions at all. It was the relative neutering of New Deal policies, along with a reduction (in absolute dollars) of the federal budget from $98.4 billion in 1945 to $33 billion in 1948, that brought forth the economic recovery. Spending was cut, taxes lowered. Private-sector production increased by almost one-third in 1946 alone, as private capital investment increased for the first time in 18 years.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR was an economic Jihadist who used the power of government to terrorize US Business and keep people unemployed so they'd vote Democrat

 

[Intense]

THOMAS AMENDMENT

Attached as Title III to the Agricultural Adjustment Act of May 12, 1933, the Thomas Amendment became the "third horse" in the New Deal's farm relief bill. Drafted by Oklahoma Sen. Elmer (John William Elmer) Thomas, the amendment blended populist easy-money views with the theories of the New Economics. Alarmed that the Great Depression had dangerously deflated prices, Thomas could see "no other way of helping the farmer save through cheapening the dollar." No unbridled inflationist, however, Thomas wanted a stabilized "honest dollar," one that would be fair to debtor and creditor alike.

On April 18, 1933, Thomas, leader of an expanding cadre of inflationists, received Pres. Franklin Delano Roosevelt's permission to attach an omnibus monetary amendment to the pending farm relief bill. The amendment granted the president broad discretionary powers over monetary policy. It stated that whenever the president desired currency expansion, he first must authorize the open market committee of the Federal Reserve to purchase up to $3 billion of federal obligations. Should open market operations prove insufficient, the president had several options. He could have the U.S. Treasury issue up to $3 billion in greenbacks, reduce the gold content of the dollar by as much as 50 percent, or accept $100 million dollars in silver at a price not to exceed fifty cents per ounce in payment of World War I debts owed by European nations.
THOMAS AMENDMENT

Hmmm... Cheap food in a Depression is bad? For who? Surely not the poor or hungry? Let's consider artificially increasing the price at Market, subsidize certain Farmers, but not others, destroy the concept of Tenant Farmers and Share Croppers, and create a Food Stamp Program to help the poorest of the poor afford the food that they could not afford because of the artificial inflation of food prices caused by New Deal Policies. Hey, why not, that's fucked up enough to work! Let's throw in Bread Lines and Soup Kitchens for those we inconvenience while playing God. Hey, intentions are meaningless to an empty stomach. When there it too much inventory, put it on sale. That is the natural thing to do. Why destroy valuable property when you are in debt? Taking action on borrowed money one pays interest on while destroy things of value? I would bet that trying something like that on the streets of New York would get you hard time. .... wait .... it's the Government doing it, so it must be okay. Forgive me.

History

Tenant farming characterized the cotton and tobacco production in the post-Civil War South. Even before the Great Depression, tenant farmers lived and worked in extremely difficult situations. As the agricultural economy plummeted in the early 1930s, tenant farmers and sharecroppers experienced the worst of it.[citation needed]

To accomplish its goal of parity (raising crop prices to where they were in the golden years of 1909-1914), the Act had to eliminate surplus production.[2] It accomplished this by offering landowners acreage reduction contracts, by which they agreed not to grow cotton on a portion of their land. In return, the landowners received compensation for what they would have normally gotten from those acres. By law, they were required to pay the tenant farmers and sharecroppers on their land a portion of the money. This, however, was nearly impossible for the government to enforce. What's more, this requirement gave landlords an incentive to get rid of their tenant farmers and replace them with wage laborers. Over the remaining years of the Great Depression, the once-common practice of sharecropping and tenant farming became exceedingly rare, and vast amounts of tenant farmers were put out, without homes or means of income.

Although the Act was overall a successful program that stimulated American agriculture, it was not without its faults. For example, it disproportionately benefited large farmers and food processors, to the disadvantage of small farmers and sharecroppers.[3][4] By the last half of the century sharecropping and tenant farming had become obsolete.[5]
Ruled unconstitutional

In 1936, the Supreme Court decided in United States v. Butler that the act was unconstitutional for levying this tax on the processors only to have it paid back to the farmers. Regulation of agriculture was deemed a state power. However, the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1938 remedied these issues.
Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the use of the word Remedy here is real creative. I've got a word too, that maybe more accurately describes the effect of the compound damage done, "Cluster-Fuck". Intentions are no protection against unintended consequence. This action clearly wiped out Tenant Farming and Sharecropping. The waste was shameful, and misguided. .

Farm and rural programs
Pumping water by hand from sole water supply in this section of Wilder, Tennessee (Tennessee Valley Authority, 1942)

Many rural people lived in severe poverty, especially in the South. Major programs addressed to their needs included the Resettlement Administration (RA), the Rural Electrification Administration (REA), rural welfare projects sponsored by the WPA, NYA, Forest Service and CCC, including school lunches, building new schools, opening roads in remote areas, reforestation, and purchase of marginal lands to enlarge national forests. In 1933, the Administration launched the Tennessee Valley Authority, a project involving dam construction planning on an unprecedented scale in order to curb flooding, generate electricity, and modernize the very poor farms in the Tennessee Valley region of the Southern United States.

Roosevelt was keenly interested in farm issues and believed that true prosperity would not return until farming was prosperous. Many different programs were directed at farmers. The first 100 days produced the Farm Security Act to raise farm incomes by raising the prices farmers received, which was achieved by reducing total farm output. The Agricultural Adjustment Act created the Agricultural Adjustment Administration (AAA) in May 1933. The act reflected the demands of leaders of major farm organizations, especially the Farm Bureau, and reflected debates among Roosevelt's farm advisers such as Secretary of Agriculture Henry A. Wallace, M.L. Wilson, Rexford Tugwell, and George Peek.[29]

The aim of the AAA was to raise prices for commodities through artificial scarcity. The AAA used a system of "domestic allotments", setting total output of corn, cotton, dairy products, hogs, rice, tobacco, and wheat. The farmers themselves had a voice in the process of using government to benefit their incomes. The AAA paid land owners subsidies for leaving some of their land idle with funds provided by a new tax on food processing. The goal was to force up farm prices to the point of "parity", an index based on 1910–1914 prices. To meet 1933 goals, 10 million acres (40,000 km2) of growing cotton was plowed up, bountiful crops were left to rot, and six million baby pigs were killed and discarded.[30] The idea was the less produced, the higher the wholesale price and the higher income to the farmer. Farm incomes increased significantly in the first three years of the New Deal, as prices for commodities rose. Food prices remained well below 1929 levels.[31] A Gallup Poll printed in the Washington Post revealed that a majority of the American public opposed the AAA.[32]

The AAA established an important and long-lasting federal role in the planning on the entire agricultural sector of the economy and was the first program on such a scale on behalf of the troubled agricultural economy. The original AAA did not provide for any sharecroppers or tenants or farm laborers who might become unemployed, but there were other New Deal programs especially for them.

In 1936, the Supreme Court declared the AAA to be unconstitutional, stating that "a statutory plan to regulate and control agricultural production, [is] a matter beyond the powers delegated to the federal government..." The AAA was replaced by a similar program that did win Court approval. Instead of paying farmers for letting fields lie barren, this program instead subsidized them for planting soil enriching crops such as alfalfa that would not be sold on the market. Federal regulation of agricultural production has been modified many times since then, but together with large subsidies it is still in effect in 2010.

The last major New Deal legislation concerning farming was in 1937, when the Farm Tenancy Act was created which in turn created the Farm Security Administration (FSA), replacing the Resettlement Administration.

A major new welfare program was the Food Stamp Plan established in 1939. It survives into the 21st century with little controversy because it benefits the urban poor, food producers, grocers and wholesalers, as well as farmers, thereby winning support from both liberal and conservative Congressmen.[33]
New Deal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not saying that everything Roosevelt did was bad, I'm saying that some of the things he did was debatable, hurtful to those most in need, and that the consequences are evidence of poorly thought out plans and mismanagement. Where did the consent of the Governed fit in here at all?

 

[Moonglow]

Neither the war nor FDR's policies ended the Great Depression. The war economy was terrible, and the GDP numbers do not reflect economic conditions at all. It was the relative neutering of New Deal policies, along with a reduction (in absolute dollars) of the federal budget from $98.4 billion in 1945 to $33 billion in 1948, that brought forth the economic recovery. Spending was cut, taxes lowered. Private-sector production increased by almost one-third in 1946 alone, as private capital investment increased for the first time in 18 years.

It helps when you the only major industrialized nation in the world that was untouched by war.

 

[Political Junky]

Sometimes it seems history repeats itself. Franklin Delano Roosevelt's speech of eighty years ago with minor changes could fit into America today. It is an excellent example of what America can do if it has the will.

"It is needless to repeat the details of the program which this Administration has been hammering out on the anvils of experience. No amount of misrepresentation or statistical contortion can conceal or blur or smear that record. Neither the attacks of unscrupulous enemies nor the exaggerations of over-zealous friends will serve to mislead the American people.

What was our hope in 1932? Above all other things the American people wanted peace. They wanted peace of mind instead of gnawing fear.

First, they sought escape from the personal terror which had stalked them for three years. They wanted the peace that comes from security in their homes: safety for their savings, permanence in their jobs, a fair profit from their enterprise.

Next, they wanted peace in the community, the peace that springs from the ability to meet the needs of community life: schools, playgrounds, parks, sanitation, highways - those things which are expected of solvent local government. They sought escape from disintegration and bankruptcy in local and state affairs.

They also sought peace within the Nation: protection of their currency, fairer wages, the ending of long hours of toil, the abolition of child labor, the elimination of wild-cat speculation, the safety of their children from kidnappers.

And, finally, they sought peace with other Nations - peace in a world of unrest. The Nation knows that I hate war, and I know that the Nation hates war.

I submit to you a record of peace; and on that record a well-founded expectation for future peace - peace for the individual, peace for the community, peace for the Nation, and peace with the world.

Tonight I call the roll - the roll of honor of those who stood with us in 1932 and still stand with us today.

Written on it are the names of millions who never had a chance - men at starvation wages, women in sweatshops, children at looms.

Written on it are the names of those who despaired, young men and young women for whom opportunity had become a will-o'-the-wisp.

Written on it are the names of farmers whose acres yielded only bitterness, business men whose books were portents of disaster, home owners who were faced with eviction, frugal citizens whose savings were insecure.

Written there in large letters are the names of countless other Americans of all parties and all faiths, Americans who had eyes to see and hearts to understand, whose consciences were burdened because too many of their fellows were burdened, who looked on these things four years ago and said, "This can be changed. We will change it."

We still lead that army in 1936. They stood with us then because in 1932 they believed. They stand with us today because in 1936 they know. And with them stand millions of new recruits who have come to know.

Their hopes have become our record.

We have not come this far without a struggle and I assure you we cannot go further without a struggle.

For twelve years this Nation was afflicted with hear-nothing, see-nothing, do-nothing Government. The Nation looked to Government but the Government looked away. Nine mocking years with the golden calf and three long years of the scourge! Nine crazy years at the ticker and three long years in the breadlines! Nine mad years of mirage and three long years of despair! Powerful influences strive today to restore that kind of government with its doctrine that that Government is best which is most indifferent."

Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Library and Museum - Our Documents

"On October 31, 1936, President Franklin D. Roosevelt gave a campaign speech before a crowd at Madison Square Garden. The words he spoke could be uttered in our present time. I have edited this just over 30-minute speech down to less than 10 minutes to provide highlights. We need this kind of leadership today."

I welcome their hatred F D Roosevelt - YouTube

Always loved that speech. Thanks for posting it.