I Thought Obamacare Was Going to Lower Costs?

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Don't want to call you a liar, but please provide a link to back that lie up.

Prepare for Greenbeard to rip you a new asshole.

 

[Nostra]

"You were uninsured under Trump I, you get to go back to being uninsured under Trump II" should be very compelling for the American families the GOP is stripping of their health care.

Barry told us Barrycare would cover everyone.

What happened, Simp?

 

[Nostra]

He was over optimistic. Most politicians are.

No stupid, he lied to America.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Barry told us Barrycare would cover everyone.

What happened, Simp?

You MAGA Nazis ended the individual mandate.

That's what happened, shit-for-brains.

 

[Nostra]

Sure, "pay" for it with imaginary DOGE savings and slush fund clawbacks, that sounds fine.

Why does it need to be paid for with tax subsidies? Barry said it would pay for itself.

I guess he lied about that too.

 

[Nostra]

Taxpayer obligations for health care spending have been falling for fifteen years.

Lies. I linked to where it went up 7.3% in 2022 alone, Dumbass.

 

[Nostra]

You MAGA Nazis ended the individual mandate.

That's what happened, shit-for-brains.

How did the platform of NAZI NAZI NAZI work out for you in November, loser?

 

[Greenbeard]

Medicaid costs are exploding, now about $1T a year. In 1996 it was zero.

Medicaid did not cost zero in 1996,

Don't want to call you a liar, but please provide a link to back that lie up.

This was covered two pages ago, in this very thread:

Future federal spending obligations for health care spending have been falling considerably as the overall national cost curve has bent.

You can see it very clearly by looking at how the CBO's Long-Term Budget Projections have evolved over the last decade and a half. Their 2009 estimates for federal health spending costs were before the ACA, so they 1) were based on pre-ACA cost trends, and (2) do not include new spending required under the ACA (i.e., premium tax credits and Medicaid expansion) since those weren't law yet.

In the years after 2009, we added new federal health care programs under the ACA yet tens of trillions of dollars in future federal health care spending obligations have melted away as the cost curve bent. As you can see, the slowdown in health care cost growth has afforded us an extra 1.5% of GDP worth of budgetary space this year alone, which is worth ~$450 billion just this year.

 

[DonGlock26]

So a politician that lies is a sociopath? Does the 'sociopath' diagnosis apply to Trump too?

All politicians lie to some degree. Trump tends to exaggerate. Repeatedly lying about Obamacare is just a sign of a diseased mind.

 

[DonGlock26]

So a politician that lies is a sociopath? Does the 'sociopath' diagnosis apply to Trump too?

At least you admit that Obama lied about obamacare.

 

[Greenbeard]

All politicians lie to some degree. Trump tends to exaggerate. Repeatedly lying about Obamacare is just a sign of a diseased mind.

Agreed, Trump's (and all of the GOP's, really) repeated lies about the ACA are the sign of a diseased mind.

 

[Nostra]

Agreed, Trump's (and all of the GOP's, really) repeated lies about the ACA are the sign of a diseased mind.

Several major claims and predictions made about the Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as Obamacare, proved to be false or failed to materialize as anticipated
. These critiques come from various sources and perspectives, with some of the most notable controversies listed below.

"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it"

• The promise: One of the most famous assurances from President Barack Obama was that individuals who liked their existing health plan could keep it under the ACA.
• The reality: In 2013, Politifact named this the "Lie of the Year". Millions of people had their insurance policies canceled because those plans did not meet the minimum coverage requirements established by the new law. The cancellations caused a public outcry, and President Obama later apologized for the misleading statements.

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"

• The promise: This assurance was made alongside the promise about keeping health plans.
• The reality: As insurers created new, often narrower, networks to keep premium costs in check, many consumers found that their preferred doctors and hospitals were no longer covered by their new ACA-compliant plans.

Cost reduction

• The promise: The ACA was promoted with the claim that it would "bend the cost curve," reducing healthcare costs for families and the federal government.
• The reality:
  • Premiums: Average premiums for individual market plans nearly doubled in the years immediately following the full implementation of the ACA. While the ACA included measures to reduce overall spending, it also mandated richer benefit packages, which contributed to higher costs for some consumers.
  • Deficit reduction: Despite claims that the ACA would reduce the federal deficit, the law has added hundreds of billions of dollars to cumulative deficits, largely because the cost of expanding Medicaid was far more expensive than projected.
  • Marketplace enrollment: Enrollment projections for the ACA marketplaces fell significantly short of early estimates, with less than half the expected enrollment by 2016.

Fraud and waste

• The promise: The ACA was promoted as a way to end abuses by health insurance companies and create a more efficient system.
• The reality: Some critics argue the law has been a "gift" to insurers due to massive government subsidies. There have also been accusations of significant fraud within the system, with some critics, like the Paragon Health Institute, pointing to "phantom enrollees" and fraudulent sign-ups that take advantage of subsidies.

Impact on job growth

• The promise: Proponents argued the ACA would boost economic performance by improving worker health and productivity.
• The reality: Concerns were raised that the employer mandate—requiring businesses with 50 or more full-time employees to provide insurance or pay a penalty—would be a disincentive for hiring. The ACA has been associated with a rise in low-hour, involuntary part-time work in certain industries.

Access to care vs. coverage

• The promise: The ACA aimed to increase access to care for millions of Americans.
• The reality: While the law successfully lowered the number of uninsured individuals, it also led to higher deductibles and narrower provider networks for many, limiting their actual access to a wide range of doctors and specialists. Additionally, some studies have shown that emergency room use increased, rather than decreased, with Medicaid expansion, particularly for non-emergency

 

[DonGlock26]

Agreed, Trump's (and all of the GOP's, really) repeated lies about the ACA are the sign of a diseased mind.

What lies? Premiums have skyrocketed. Obama bamboozled his idiot voter base.

 

[beagle9]

Did I say I had a better alternative option to Obamacare?

Did I say I was going to repeal and replace it?

Did I say that this was going to happen immediately?

Did I fool millions of people into believing that this was going to happen?

Nope, wasn't me.

So you don't have any suggestions or solutions yourself, but you got to run that mouth like a true petulant Democrat for sheer biased political purposes and nothing more.

 

[XponentialChaos]

So you don't have any suggestions or solutions yourself, but you got to run that mouth like a true petulant Democrat for sheer biased political purposes and nothing more.

I'm not the one who lied to millions of people by saying that I had a better solution.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I'm not the one who lied to millions of people saying that I had a better solution.

That was your Mocha Messiah lol

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

LOL...not by you, MAGA dirt stupid lump of shit.

You are one of the dumbest ***** on this board.

Naaaawww….i own you.

 

[kyzr]

Medicaid did not cost zero in 1996,

Probably not, but compared to the $1T in 2025 it looked darn close to zero. Extend the chart down about 20-years.

This was covered two pages ago, in this very thread:

You said in a prior post:
"Taxpayer obligations for health care spending have been falling for fifteen years."

I called bullshit.
My graph above proves you are wrong, especially about Medicaid, which is what we are discussing.

 

[XponentialChaos]

That was your Mocha Messiah lol

Still waiting on you guys to come up with something better. Repeal and replace? lol

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Heathcare was great and much cheaper in the private sector before 0bama screwed it up.

What an idiotic lie.