I thought Afghanistan was the "good war"???

[Contumacious]

So much bullshit, so little time.

Iraq: Declassified Documents of U.S. Support for Hussein
With Joyce Battle
Middle East Analyst, National Security Archive at George Washington University
Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003; 11 a.m. ET

The National Security Archive at George Washington University has published a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980�s. The collection of documents, published on the Web, include briefing materials, diplomatic reports of two Rumsfeld trips to Baghdad, reports on Iraqi chemical weapons use during the Reagan administration and presidential directives that ensure U.S. access to the region's oil and military expansion.

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FAIL! The policy was to use Saddam against Iran to destabilize Khomeini and the U.S.'s policy with Iran was to supply dissedent generals with military hardware not only to fight Saddam but to mount a coup attempt against Khomeini.

some people have very bad memories and use piss poor sources

Some people can't handle the truth.

Go watch the cartoon channel.

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[elvis]

and truthers know all about the truth.

 

[Contumacious]

I defy ANYONE to find any government policy from the 1980's that specifically states that Iraq was an ally of the U.S.A..

So much bullshit, so little time.

Iraq: Declassified Documents of U.S. Support for Hussein
With Joyce Battle
Middle East Analyst, National Security Archive at George Washington University
Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003; 11 a.m. ET

The National Security Archive at George Washington University has published a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980�s. The collection of documents, published on the Web, include briefing materials, diplomatic reports of two Rumsfeld trips to Baghdad, reports on Iraqi chemical weapons use during the Reagan administration and presidential directives that ensure U.S. access to the region's oil and military expansion.

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Bullshit indeed...coming from you....

Next time read your sources and you may avoid making a complete asinine boob out of yourself in front of millions of people.

The U.S. was officially neutral regarding the Iran-Iraq war, and claimed that it armed neither side. Iran depended on U.S.-origin weapons, however, and sought them from Israel, Europe, Asia, and South America. Iraq started the war with a large Soviet-supplied arsenal, but needed additional weaponry as the conflict wore on

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Riiiiiiiiiight.

And the earth is flat.

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[DiveCon]

FAIL! The policy was to use Saddam against Iran to destabilize Khomeini and the U.S.'s policy with Iran was to supply dissedent generals with military hardware not only to fight Saddam but to mount a coup attempt against Khomeini.

some people have very bad memories and use piss poor sources

Some people can't handle the truth.

Go watch the cartoon channel.

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thats your favorite channel, its clear

 

[DiveCon]

So much bullshit, so little time.

Iraq: Declassified Documents of U.S. Support for Hussein
With Joyce Battle
Middle East Analyst, National Security Archive at George Washington University
Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003; 11 a.m. ET

The National Security Archive at George Washington University has published a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980�s. The collection of documents, published on the Web, include briefing materials, diplomatic reports of two Rumsfeld trips to Baghdad, reports on Iraqi chemical weapons use during the Reagan administration and presidential directives that ensure U.S. access to the region's oil and military expansion.

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Bullshit indeed...coming from you....

Next time read your sources and you may avoid making a complete asinine boob out of yourself in front of millions of people.

The U.S. was officially neutral regarding the Iran-Iraq war, and claimed that it armed neither side. Iran depended on U.S.-origin weapons, however, and sought them from Israel, Europe, Asia, and South America. Iraq started the war with a large Soviet-supplied arsenal, but needed additional weaponry as the conflict wore on

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Riiiiiiiiiight.

And the earth is flat.

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we aided both sides in that war when either looked like the other was gaining an advantage
kept it at a stalemate
you have a piss poor memory or you are too young to have experienced it

 

[PatekPhilippe]

more for Duh?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/iraq26.pdf
Following further high-level policy review, Ronald Reagan issued National Security Decision Directive (NSDD) 114, dated November 26, 1983, concerned specifically with U.S. policy toward the Iran-Iraq war. The directive reflects the administration's priorities: it calls for heightened regional military cooperation to defend oil facilities, and measures to improve U.S. military capabilities in the Persian Gulf, and directs the secretaries of state and defense and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to take appropriate measures to respond to tensions in the area. It states, "Because of the real and psychological impact of a curtailment in the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf on the international economic system, we must assure our readiness to deal promptly with actions aimed at disrupting that traffic."

Now...lets hope you learned something here today.

Have all your ducks in a row before shooting your mouth off.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Bullshit indeed...coming from you....

Next time read your sources and you may avoid making a complete asinine boob out of yourself in front of millions of people.

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Riiiiiiiiiight.

And the earth is flat.

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we aided both sides in that war when either looked like the other was gaining an advantage
kept it at a stalemate
you have a piss poor memory or you are too young to have experienced it

Liberal opinion: Yeah....the earth is flat.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

I defy ANYONE to find any government policy from the 1980's that specifically states that Iraq was an ally of the U.S.A..

So much bullshit, so little time.

Iraq: Declassified Documents of U.S. Support for Hussein
With Joyce Battle
Middle East Analyst, National Security Archive at George Washington University
Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003; 11 a.m. ET

The National Security Archive at George Washington University has published a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980�s. The collection of documents, published on the Web, include briefing materials, diplomatic reports of two Rumsfeld trips to Baghdad, reports on Iraqi chemical weapons use during the Reagan administration and presidential directives that ensure U.S. access to the region's oil and military expansion.

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ROFLMNAO... Well such is the hazard of using words which are not specifically defined.

As you can see; Ally has been inferred by this idiot to mean, 'any nation where a US diplomat is present in the presence of a camera; and any nation wherein the word 'embrace' can be applied.

Iraq was in fact an ally of the US, IN ONE VERY NARROW SCOPE... specifically the post "Tehran Hostage" days...

Iraq's oil fields, contrary to historical revision, never amounted to jack, in terms of US oil imports... Iraq's purpose was to inflict pain on the Islamic government; and the US provided low level satellite intelligence to Iraq, for the purpose of allowing Iraq to inflict as much death upon the Iranian Muslims as possible, without declaring war on that nation.

What's more, is that Iraq's socialist regime was much more closely aligned with the Soviet Communists than the US; and US policy at that time to was promote any alliance with ANY ally of the Soviet Union. Iraq enjoyed massive amounts of 'funding' from the Societ Union; all of which came to a close when Reagan defeated the Soviets; thus many of their little dictates were none to pleased with the US' success in crushing them...

While it's not fair to say that Iraq was not an ally of the US, in a very narrow scope; and for a very specific purpose; it is also not fair to elevate the status of the alliance beyond what it was; nor is it fair to claim that an alliance with the US is a license to attack the US, her interests and allies, through the overt promotion of international Islamic terrorism; and that such should provide some measure of culpability for those crimes against the US, thus somehow lessen the burden of Iraq's responsibility for having done so.

In truth the US' efforts in helping Iraq in their war with Iran actually increases the level of responsibility on Iraq to NOT engage in proxy wars against the US.

But without regard to the 'shouldas'... Iraq did... Socialist Iraq DID poke the bear and Socialist Iraq HAS suffered the consequences.

 

[Contumacious]

Bullshit indeed...coming from you....

Next time read your sources and you may avoid making a complete asinine boob out of yourself in front of millions of people.

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Riiiiiiiiiight.

And the earth is flat.

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we aided both sides in that war when either looked like the other was gaining an advantage
kept it at a stalemate
you have a piss poor memory or you are too young to have experienced it

In an October 1, 2002, article entitled “Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in ’80s,” Associated Press writer Matt Kelly wrote,

[The] Iraqi bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records that are getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein’s biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, saying it needed them for legitimate medical research.

The CDC and a biological-sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin, and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including West Nile virus.

The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States backed Iraq in its war against Iran.

 

[Wicked Jester]

11A, 3rd BDE 25th ID, July 2002-July 2005

We might have overlapped if you were at Shkin/Paktika Province in the Spring of '04. I was at Shkin for the first month or two of my deployment before moving up to Orgun-E. I think an element from 2nd Bat was there as well.

Were you at Harriman?
I was out of 'stan in mid march '03. We diverted to N. Iraq days before "shock and awe".
But it's quite possible that elements of 2nd bat were in your area at the time you stated.

I don't think so. Though, I never paid attention to the "military names" of the FOBs. I don't even remember what soldier Orgun-E was named after, I just called it Orgun-E. I was strictly in the Paktika Province. That was our AO. We didn't overlap. I didn't get there until March of '04 and left in March of '05. I was our Battalion's Recon Platoon Leader for 6 months and then the S5 for the last six months.

One recon unit that I was tremendously impressed with was RRD. Those guys were amazing. In fact, I was impressed with all of the 75th. We tagged along on some missions, and I was amazed at the way everything was to standard, from the OPORDER with a sand table to the execution of the mission. You were truly part of a great unit.

I am pretty sure 2nd bat (or elements of it) where there when we got into country. I remember being around those guys when the Tillman accident happened. You could tell the unit was torn up about it.

I take it being recon platoon leader, officer, you were pathfinder qualified.
I was E-6 staff, platoon Sgt. It was requisite we be Pathfinder for recon ops, particularly NCO and officer leaders.
Pathfinder school was a blast!

 

[DiveCon]

Riiiiiiiiiight.

And the earth is flat.

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we aided both sides in that war when either looked like the other was gaining an advantage
kept it at a stalemate
you have a piss poor memory or you are too young to have experienced it

In an October 1, 2002, article entitled “Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in ’80s,” Associated Press writer Matt Kelly wrote,

[The] Iraqi bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records that are getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein’s biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, saying it needed them for legitimate medical research.

The CDC and a biological-sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin, and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including West Nile virus.

The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States backed Iraq in its war against Iran.

also take a look at some anti tank missile Iran got

you are way out of your league, pedophile

btw, those reference strains were found in Iraq after saddam was deposed, but somehow they WERENT WMD then

 

[Wicked Jester]

A video of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam doen't mean a goddam thing.....you liberals are too ******* stupid to see one of your own propaganda tactics being used to influence the targeted audience...namely Iran.

Check this shit out....

why only 3 years in the Army?....

Because I wanted to do other things with my life, like go to Medical School, which is what I am doing now.

0-1 to 0-3 in 3 years???!!!!

For all to see..here are Officer time in grade requirements set down by CFR.

0-2 18 months 18 months Fully qualified (nearly 100 percent)
0-3 4 years 2 years Fully qualified (nearly 100 percent)

The first column is the normal time in grade requirement for promotion path to 0-3 meaning 01 to 02 is 18 months and 0-2 to 0-3 is 4 YEARS!!!.
Let's do some math.
1.5 years plus 4 years equals 5.5 years.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm GTH says he had a 3 year obligation and made CAPTAIN in what 2 YEARS!!

but look at this a few lines down!!!

Are you saying your a Lieutenant?? And you only served 3 years?

My active duty time was four years. I was with the 25th ID for three of those. I was in schools for 1.

Now it's 4 years...what are we to believe here? 3 years...4 years.... 0-3 in way less than the law allows for? Even with the MINIMUM set down by law which is referenced in the second column of the TIG requirements I posted above IT'S 3 AND ONE HALF YEARS TO GET TO 0-3...and you spent 1 year of that in school as a 2nd Lt, another 6 months at 25thID as a 2nd Lt. before making 0-2 and then made 0-3 BEFORE THE LAW ALLOWED IT. You claimed to have had 1 year time in grade as a 0-3!!!!

I was a Captain (O-3) for most of my time when I was in A-stan.

I know for a FACT that Army Officer service obligations are for 8 YEARS!!

Seriously...who the **** do you think you are addressing? Even if you were a shit hot Lt. (which obviously you are not because you let a child penetrate your perimeter and only put out one claymore as a perimeter defense) with all of your FITREPs reflecting that, your time line is FUBAR.

Hmmmmmmmmmm..... This is getting beter by the day...please....... keep it up.

That is quite compelling.
What's the guideline for field promotions and, might ROTC time be added to an officers time in service?

 

[Contumacious]

we aided both sides in that war when either looked like the other was gaining an advantage
kept it at a stalemate
you have a piss poor memory or you are too young to have experienced it

In an October 1, 2002, article entitled “Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in ’80s,” Associated Press writer Matt Kelly wrote,

[The] Iraqi bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records that are getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein’s biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, saying it needed them for legitimate medical research.

The CDC and a biological-sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin, and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including West Nile virus.

The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States backed Iraq in its war against Iran.

also take a look at some anti tank missile Iran got

you are way out of your league, pedophile

btw, those reference strains were found in Iraq after saddam was deposed, but somehow they WERENT WMD then

So you are getting desperate;

Here is some more data to totally frustrate your dumb ass:


As writer Norm Dixon put it in his June 17, 2004, article “How Reagan Armed Saddam with Chemical Weapons,”

While the August 18 NYT article added new details about the extent of US military collaboration with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during Iraq's 1980-88 war with Iran, it omitted the most outrageous aspect of the scandal: not only did Ronald Reagan's Washington turn a blind-eye to the Hussein regime's repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Iraq's Kurdish minority, but the US helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.

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[PubliusInfinitum]

Riiiiiiiiiight.

And the earth is flat.

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we aided both sides in that war when either looked like the other was gaining an advantage
kept it at a stalemate
you have a piss poor memory or you are too young to have experienced it

In an October 1, 2002, article entitled “Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in ’80s,” Associated Press writer Matt Kelly wrote,

[The] Iraqi bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records that are getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein’s biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, saying it needed them for legitimate medical research.

The CDC and a biological-sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin, and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including West Nile virus.

The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States backed Iraq in its war against Iran.

ROFLMNAO...

This is OLD SCHOOL BULLSHIT! This nonsense about the US giving Iraq Biological Weapons was DOA when it first came out... nearly 8 years ago when the "Anthrax Scare" came to town.

This whole thing comes from the LONG STANDING: US Dept of Agriculture Live-stock vaccination program. The CDC did not release anything to Iraq for the purposes of weaponizing... the US Dept of Agriculture ROUTINELY releases samples of such for the purposes of making vaccines for such scurges as ANTHRAX... which can decimate entire herds of live-stock; and which was the word which this entire farce was triggered by.

Some jack-ass doing research on "Anthrax" discovered this little program and used it to build this myth.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Riiiiiiiiiight.

And the earth is flat.

.

we aided both sides in that war when either looked like the other was gaining an advantage
kept it at a stalemate
you have a piss poor memory or you are too young to have experienced it

In an October 1, 2002, article entitled “Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in ’80s,” Associated Press writer Matt Kelly wrote,

[The] Iraqi bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records that are getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein’s biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, saying it needed them for legitimate medical research.

The CDC and a biological-sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin, and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including West Nile virus.

The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States backed Iraq in its war against Iran.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...yeah right dumb ass!!! We all know Matt Kelly dictates U.S. foreign policy and decides who is our ally......

and then the red herring bioweapons bullshit line comes out....

 

[DiveCon]

In an October 1, 2002, article entitled “Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in ’80s,” Associated Press writer Matt Kelly wrote,

[The] Iraqi bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records that are getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein’s biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, saying it needed them for legitimate medical research.

The CDC and a biological-sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin, and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including West Nile virus.

The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States backed Iraq in its war against Iran.

also take a look at some anti tank missile Iran got

you are way out of your league, pedophile

btw, those reference strains were found in Iraq after saddam was deposed, but somehow they WERENT WMD then

So you are getting desperate;

Here is some more data to totally frustrate your dumb ass:


As writer Norm Dixon put it in his June 17, 2004, article “How Reagan Armed Saddam with Chemical Weapons,”

While the August 18 NYT article added new details about the extent of US military collaboration with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during Iraq's 1980-88 war with Iran, it omitted the most outrageous aspect of the scandal: not only did Ronald Reagan's Washington turn a blind-eye to the Hussein regime's repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Iraq's Kurdish minority, but the US helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.

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no, you dumb ****, that changes NOTHING

 

[DiveCon]

we aided both sides in that war when either looked like the other was gaining an advantage
kept it at a stalemate
you have a piss poor memory or you are too young to have experienced it

In an October 1, 2002, article entitled “Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in ’80s,” Associated Press writer Matt Kelly wrote,

[The] Iraqi bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records that are getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein’s biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, saying it needed them for legitimate medical research.

The CDC and a biological-sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin, and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including West Nile virus.

The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States backed Iraq in its war against Iran.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...yeah right dumb ass!!! We all know Matt Kelly dictates U.S. foreign policy and decides who is our ally......

and then the red herring bioweapons bullshit line comes out....

and remember, it was bio-weapons when Reagan provided the reference strains, but not bio-weapons when they were found in Iraq later on

selective reasoning

 

[Contumacious]

This is OLD SCHOOL BULLSHIT! This nonsense about the US giving Iraq Biological Weapons was DOA when it first came out... nearly 8 years ago when the "Anthrax Scare" came to town.h.

Why....because you still want to believe that the US represent the good guys?

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[elvis]

This is OLD SCHOOL BULLSHIT! This nonsense about the US giving Iraq Biological Weapons was DOA when it first came out... nearly 8 years ago when the "Anthrax Scare" came to town.h.

Why....because you still want to believe that the US represent the good guys?

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and who do you think the good guys are? Al qaeda?

 

[Contumacious]

also take a look at some anti tank missile Iran got

you are way out of your league, pedophile

btw, those reference strains were found in Iraq after saddam was deposed, but somehow they WERENT WMD then

So you are getting desperate;

Here is some more data to totally frustrate your dumb ass:


As writer Norm Dixon put it in his June 17, 2004, article “How Reagan Armed Saddam with Chemical Weapons,”

While the August 18 NYT article added new details about the extent of US military collaboration with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during Iraq's 1980-88 war with Iran, it omitted the most outrageous aspect of the scandal: not only did Ronald Reagan's Washington turn a blind-eye to the Hussein regime's repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Iraq's Kurdish minority, but the US helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.

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no, you dumb ****, that changes NOTHING

Why?

Government employee? On welfare?

And the truth shall set you free.

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