Positive & Negatives From Iran War

About the same as the fall of Iraq, maybe a little less. I would hope the USA and the Jews get beaten back before they try to destroy Russia and China and the whole world gets nuked.

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Iran has more oil than Iraq....
And the population is less tribal than Iraq. More education focused.

Some of their aircraft, missiles, and tech was created out of whole cloth by their own engineers and scientists. (Quite a feat in isolation)

They will have access to the world once this is over and funding by oil revenues to rebuild their society.
 
3 F-15 war planes that cost $90 million dollars a piece were mistakenly shot down over Kuwait today. This war of choice is off to a great start!
From what I read the last F15 E was produced in 2001. It cost about 31 million dollars to make. There is a more modern model the F 15 EX.
 
From what I read the last F15 E was produced in 2001. It cost about 31 million dollars to make. There is a more modern model the F 15 EX.
One of the pilots was female....seen the video of her walking afterwards. She seemed unhurt. But one thing is certain....we are currently out of aircraft and she likely will not get assigned to another during her military career. Also there likely was another team of pilots assigned to the jet. (Usually two teams per jet in case of illness, exhaustion or something....that's how it used to be....might be different these days)
So....we likely don't have just 6 pilots and Co pilots grounded but 12.
 
What positives and negatives do you see arising from the regime change in Iran?

Every military action causes all sorts of subsequent reactions.

Short term and long term.

Me?
I personally am looking forward to having great Saffron available again. The stuff from Afghanistan is okayish....but nowhere near as good as Iran's saffron.

I got just under a half ounce left....I'll plow through it and get new here in a few months.

Not sure if this is a positive or a negative, but the war now has an official soundtrack...

 
During peacetime....
1 jet vx 100,000 hours of flight time.

During conflicts: 2 jets vx 100,000 hours of flight time.

This is actually the first case of friendly fire of aircraft During conflict. And "We" didn't do it. Kuwaiti did it....kinda....we don't know how or why. There will be an investigation as to how this happened. Were the pilots flying where they shouldn't have been?
Was the FoF signals lost due to some miscommunication? Were the hours or minutes of "no go" miscommunicated?

But in the meantime....
We have lost no jets to enemy fire. None....zero....zilch....empty set.

On the other side.....
Kuwait has more dogfight kills than our F-22 fighter jets have gotten yet.
Iran is not providing an exactly target rich environment to use an apt term.
 
One of the stupid Negatives is US oil reserves...

Oil has been cheap for the last 6 months... Trump said he was going to fill that reserve, it presently is at 58%, this is higher than Biden's number but Biden was facing very high prices and was intending to bomb Iran...

With the bombing of Iran, ships can't get insurance to go through the Strait of Hormuz. This is 20-30% world's oil supply...

Think someone in the Trump admin would have said, if we are going to war in an area which has 20+% of the global supply of oil, maybe we should fill up our reserves...
Who pays for the oil going into the SPR? Don't you think Congress has to pass appropriations for that kind of thing? Democrats won't even fund DHS!
 
One of the pilots was female....seen the video of her walking afterwards. She seemed unhurt. But one thing is certain....we are currently out of aircraft and she likely will not get assigned to another during her military career. Also there likely was another team of pilots assigned to the jet. (Usually two teams per jet in case of illness, exhaustion or something....that's how it used to be....might be different these days)
So....we likely don't have just 6 pilots and Co pilots grounded but 12.
Where did you dig up that ridiculous idea? There are 202 F-15Es in the USAF inventory.

Do you naturally make unfounded and ludicrous statements?
 
On the other side.....
Kuwait has more dogfight kills than our F-22 fighter jets have gotten yet.
F-22s dont dogfight. They shoot missles at targets many miles away, that don't even know they're there (undetectable on radar).
 
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Leftists are the most subjectively outraged people on Earth.

It is all due to an American billionaire living in China by the name of Neville Roy Singham who is deeply Maoist, he is behind Code Pink, helping the chinese buy up schools in this country to reprogram our kids, and is feeding tons of money to finance the democrats, the media, and many other things.

Frankly, I think the CIA needs to terminate him.

I would bet he had a lot to do with financing the ICE riots in Minneapolis too.

All these leftists are on the take, selling out their country bribed to work for him.

This is how we end up with half of congress refusing to stand in affirmation of their putting America first.
 
Positive, Dem assholes are destroying themselves by siding with a murderous Iranian regime that just killed over 30,000 of their own people. Yes Democrats are that low the scum!
 
I was thinking today and two thoughts keep popping into my head and both are related to "time".
  • China
  • Depth of Magazine
CHINA:
I'll bet you next months DFAS check that China is watching US action very, VERY closely. Doing to us what we did to Russia in Ukraine - watch and observer. Examine every aspect from planning, to logistics, to bases of operation (both land and naval), executution, weapons system performance, types of systems employed, depth of magazine, command and control, defense system performance, etc. You name it, they are watching and they are getting a lot of GREAT intel off the recent events.

When it comes to Tiawan, they will have learned a lot of valuable lessons.

DEPTH OF MAGAZINE:
Depth of Magzine refers to how long can you punch/defend as a function of munitions. For the Air Force they can have deep magazines, but if you deny utilization of fixed airbases (static targets), then most of their planes can't deliver.

For Naval ships, you have a fixed capacity. Take for example the Arleigh-Burke class destoryers. Their main offensive defensive armament is contained in 96 VLS (Vertical Launch System) cells that are preloaded. Problem is the cells have to be loaded at a safe location (in port or protected harbor), meaning once the cells are expended, the ship has to withdraw from theater to replenish which can take weeks. Although the Navy has been working on at sea replensihment which could shorted the restock time to days. But that means those 96 cells have to be loaded in advance with weapons for a specific mission (land attack, anti-ship, air defense, ECCM, anti-submarine warfare). If you load them all with land attack, you leave the fleet open to having little defense in case of air attack. So typically they will go out with a mixture trying to balance offense and defense.

That means the ships main system has a fixed magazine of 96 weapons. Plenty for small cadence operations, but detrimental for extended operations.
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To quote from an alternative reality - "War, War Never Changes". It's not about who hits first, it's not about who hits hardest, it's about who can keep punching the longest. As the current situiation with Iran progresses, I think we (and China) will see logistics and depth of magazine issues as the US has been consuming high tech weapons at rates that exceed procurement (although DOD has been working to increase procurement rates).

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Where did you dig up that ridiculous idea? There are 202 F-15Es in the USAF inventory.

Do you naturally make unfounded and ludicrous statements?
Are you trying to claim we have aircraft just sitting around needing pilots? :auiqs.jpg:

Complete with the maintenance staff?:auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg:

There exists a whole tooth to tail ratio .....
For the airforce its really upside down. More tail to teeth. BUT they tend to see more action than anyone else.

And where its something of a secret.....we have a LOT of jets really busy at the moment in theater. Iran is roughly the size of Alaska. Kinda big. And they just brought in some big bombers for some big runs.
 
It is all due to an American billionaire living in China by the name of Neville Roy Singham who is deeply Maoist, he is behind Code Pink, helping the chinese buy up schools in this country to reprogram our kids, and is feeding tons of money to finance the democrats, the media, and many other things.

Frankly, I think the CIA needs to terminate him.

I would bet he had a lot to do with financing the ICE riots in Minneapolis too.

All these leftists are on the take, selling out their country bribed to work for him.

This is how we end up with half of congress refusing to stand in affirmation of their putting America first.
Oh....
WE would never get caught doing such a thing.....we would get one of our friends to do it for us and blame it on one of their friends....like N Korea.....
 
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F-22s dont dogfight. They shoot missles at targets many miles away, that don't even know they're there (undetectable on radar).
Kinda a joke....but also not. We have not used them to date to destroy anything other than one balloon. They have been largely unhelpful but extremely expensive pieces of hardware.

There hasn't been a lot of video of inside iran....and until the internet is restored in the country....we wont. So we have some serious bombing to do. We might have some covert people on the ground with lasers or beacons placing them on various places....but again....we dont see that. And likely wont.
 
It is all due to an American billionaire living in China by the name of Neville Roy Singham who is deeply Maoist, he is behind Code Pink, helping the chinese buy up schools in this country to reprogram our kids, and is feeding tons of money to finance the democrats, the media, and many other things.

Frankly, I think the CIA needs to terminate him.

I would bet he had a lot to do with financing the ICE riots in Minneapolis too.

All these leftists are on the take, selling out their country bribed to work for him.

This is how we end up with half of congress refusing to stand in affirmation of their putting America first.
Between Singham and George Soros, you have two traitors, both of whom should be eliminated..
Period.
 
What positives and negatives do you see arising from the regime change in Iran?

Every military action causes all sorts of subsequent reactions.

Short term and long term.

Me?
I personally am looking forward to having great Saffron available again. The stuff from Afghanistan is okayish....but nowhere near as good as Iran's saffron.

I got just under a half ounce left....I'll plow through it and get new here in a few months.
In the early 70s we were getting great hashish from Afghanistan, but I`m thinking that the Taliban ruined that.
 
Are you trying to claim we have aircraft just sitting around needing pilots? :auiqs.jpg:

Complete with the maintenance staff?:auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg:

There exists a whole tooth to tail ratio .....
For the airforce its really upside down. More tail to teeth. BUT they tend to see more action than anyone else.

And where its something of a secret.....we have a LOT of jets really busy at the moment in theater. Iran is roughly the size of Alaska. Kinda big. And they just brought in some big bombers for some big runs.
Yes, absolutely. We have entire units stateside that are not involved in this conflict. Why can't we send them there?

You need to lay off the drugs. You claimed we were running out of aircraft. We always have more pilots than aircraft and you even said so yourself. This is normal. What part of that do you not understand?

Please tell me you never served in the military because apparently you are still in high school. Leave the commentary up to the professionals and vets please.
 
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