I thought Afghanistan was the "good war"???

[PubliusInfinitum]

In an October 1, 2002, article entitled “Iraq Got Germs for Weapons Program from U.S. in ’80s,” Associated Press writer Matt Kelly wrote,

[The] Iraqi bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records that are getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein’s biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, saying it needed them for legitimate medical research.

The CDC and a biological-sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin, and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including West Nile virus.

The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States backed Iraq in its war against Iran.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...yeah right dumb ass!!! We all know Matt Kelly dictates U.S. foreign policy and decides who is our ally......

and then the red herring bioweapons bullshit line comes out....

and remember, it was bio-weapons when Reagan provided the reference strains, but not bio-weapons when they were found in Iraq later on

selective reasoning

ROFL... I think the phrase that fits best is: "DUAL USE"... Which was the catch all that was used to dismiss the HUNDEREDS OF TONS of such 'things'...

But the BEST part is that the program that provided the samples, DID SO ON HUMANITARIAN GROUNDS... VACCINES TO SPARE THE LIVESTOCK RESOURCES THAT THE DOWNTRODDEN, EXPLOITED WORKERS DEPEND UPON...

So let's take it out to the logical conclusion... 'Can't send third world shit-holes vaccines so as to preclude famine... '

Great work girls! OH! You're all over it!

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

This is OLD SCHOOL BULLSHIT! This nonsense about the US giving Iraq Biological Weapons was DOA when it first came out... nearly 8 years ago when the "Anthrax Scare" came to town.h.

Why....because you still want to believe that the US represent the good guys?

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WOW! Dissemble much?

 

[Contumacious]

This is OLD SCHOOL BULLSHIT! This nonsense about the US giving Iraq Biological Weapons was DOA when it first came out... nearly 8 years ago when the "Anthrax Scare" came to town.h.

Why....because you still want to believe that the US represent the good guys?

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and who do you think the good guys are? Al qaeda?

Contumacious Freeman and The Libertarians.

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[PubliusInfinitum]

Why....because you still want to believe that the US represent the good guys?

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and who do you think the good guys are? Al qaeda?

Contumacious Freeman and The Libertarians.

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Hey... speaking of irrelevance. Does anyone else think that the price of potatoes is out of control? WTH?

 

[Contumacious]

In a June 9, 2004, article “Reagan Played a Decisive Role in Saddam Hussein’s Survival in Iran-Iraq War,” Agence France Presse points out,

In February 1982, the State Department dropped Baghdad from its list of state sponsors of terrorism, clearing the way for aid and trade.

A month later, Reagan ordered a review of US policy in the Middle East which resulted in a marked shift in favor of Iraq over the next year.

“Soon thereafter, Washington began passing high-value military intelligence to Iraq to help it fight the war, including information from US satellites that helped fix key flaws in the fortifications protecting al-Basrah that proved important in Iran’s defeat in the next month,” wrote Kenneth Pollack in his recently published book “The Threatening Storm.” ...

By March 1985, the United States was issuing Baghdad export permits for high tech equipment crucial for its weapons of mass destruction programs, according to Pollack.

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[Si modo]

and who do you think the good guys are? Al qaeda?

Contumacious Freeman and The Libertarians.

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Hey... speaking of irrelevance. Does anyone else think that the price of potatoes is out of control? WTH?

I don't know. If it has something to do with some personal spat some are having, I'm sure it's quite relevant.

I have no idea why I even bother reading thread titles any longer here. I should just figure out how to get this site to randomly display a post from the day as I would have as good of a chance of that actually correlating to a topic as I would if I were to go by a title.

 

[alexanderpcoy]

I have recently started a blog that will serve as an outlet for my to express my political opinions. My latest posting is about President Obama's strategy in Afghanistan and specifically about the idea of sending more troops. Here is a portion of the posting:

What is the President doing when it comes to his strategy in Afghanistan? One of my favorite quotes goes as follows: "I do not know that key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everyone."

The President is playing his usual game of politics, trying to please both sides, when it comes to the war in Afghanistan. The debate is whether or not to send more troops into the region. Some people, most democrats, would argue that the U.S. should pull out of Afghanistan all together, claiming that there are other, "more immediate," threats that need to be dealt with. Although I do agree that there are other important threats that need to be dealt with, Al Qaeda, Pakistan and Iran, to name a few, the Taliban in Afghanistan remain a sufficient threat.

The U.S. quickly removed the Taliban after 9/11 because they were, and remain, a terrorist organization that harbored other terrorists and allowed a safe haven for people like Osama bin laden and his Al Qaeda followers. Now, it is being reported that the Taliban are actually close to regaining the power in Afghanistan.

General Stanley McChrystal, the top commander in the region, has requested 40,000 more troops. He is the expert that the President has trusted to provide him with the best information when it comes to this theater of war, so wouldn't common sense tell you that if General McChrystal says he needs 40,000 more troops in order to be successful, the President should provide what he has requested?......



Please visit my blog and subscribe if you like. Also, please feel free to email the postings to your friends and family. Not all of my postings will specifically talk about the president. My goal is not to constantly be bashing on the president, but to, instead, let out some of my inner political frustrations. More postings are soon to come. Here is the link: Applying Common Sense to Politics

 

[Si modo]

Thank you.

 

[DiveCon]

So you are getting desperate;

Here is some more data to totally frustrate your dumb ass:


As writer Norm Dixon put it in his June 17, 2004, article “How Reagan Armed Saddam with Chemical Weapons,”

While the August 18 NYT article added new details about the extent of US military collaboration with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during Iraq's 1980-88 war with Iran, it omitted the most outrageous aspect of the scandal: not only did Ronald Reagan's Washington turn a blind-eye to the Hussein regime's repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Iraq's Kurdish minority, but the US helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.

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no, you dumb ****, that changes NOTHING

Why?

Government employee? On welfare?

And the truth shall set you free.

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you and the truth arent in the same zip code

 

[geauxtohell]

You're an incompetent leader at best and a totally inept buffoon who had no purpose being placed in charge of combat troops at worst.

A sailor's opinion of my tactical prowess is meaningless to me.

Especially since your "tactical prowess" is flawed at best...I'll take that as a compliment!!!!

Whatever, slapnuts.

It's just a damn shame that you stumbled into the Navy Recruiter Office. If you had stumbled into the Army or Marine Recruiter Office, I am sure this war would have been over in short time.

 

[geauxtohell]

I take it being recon platoon leader, officer, you were pathfinder qualified.
I was E-6 staff, platoon Sgt. It was requisite we be Pathfinder for recon ops, particularly NCO and officer leaders.
Pathfinder school was a blast!

I never went to Pathfinder School. It wasn't a requirement to be the recon PL in the 25th. I also didn't go to the LRRP course at Rogers. The schools I went too were Airborne, Ranger, Infantry Morter Leader's Course, and Air Assault.

In a conventional Infantry Battalion, the Battalion Commander selects the Recon PL from his "in-house" lieutenants. I took over the Recon platoon right before we deployed, so any chance of more schooling while in that capacity went out the window.

As a whole, I don't think the 25th ID was overly enthusiastic about getting guys to pathfinder school. I think we got a handful of slots every year.

Of course, everything has changed with the re-configuration of the Brigade system. I doubt I'd recognize the 25th ID now.

 

[geauxtohell]

That is quite compelling.
What's the guideline for field promotions and, might ROTC time be added to an officers time in service?

He's not entirely wrong. A commission incurs an eight year obligation. Where he has goofed is that only four years of that is required active (depending on your commissioning source). I spent the last four years of my obligation on the IRR.

ROTC time doesn't count (though it may count for retirement after you reach 20, like the academy guys.)

At any rate, If you don't make Captain in the Army in three and 1/2 years, you probably ran over a bunch of nuns while drunk. The promotion is basically automatic, and the promotion to 1LT is automatic.

 

[Annie]

Ya know, Obama never meant that this was the real war, as there never has been a real war. Shut up you guys, all we have are allies that haven't been acknowledged.

 

[geauxtohell]

0-1 to 0-3 in 3 years???!!!!

For all to see..here are Officer time in grade requirements set down by CFR.

0-2 18 months 18 months Fully qualified (nearly 100 percent)
0-3 4 years 2 years Fully qualified (nearly 100 percent)

The first column is the normal time in grade requirement for promotion path to 0-3 meaning 01 to 02 is 18 months and 0-2 to 0-3 is 4 YEARS!!!.
Let's do some math.
1.5 years plus 4 years equals 5.5 years.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm GTH says he had a 3 year obligation and made CAPTAIN in what 2 YEARS!!

but look at this a few lines down!!!

Are you saying your a Lieutenant?? And you only served 3 years?

My active duty time was four years. I was with the 25th ID for three of those. I was in schools for 1.

Now it's 4 years...what are we to believe here? 3 years...4 years.... 0-3 in way less than the law allows for? Even with the MINIMUM set down by law which is referenced in the second column of the TIG requirements I posted above IT'S 3 AND ONE HALF YEARS TO GET TO 0-3...and you spent 1 year of that in school as a 2nd Lt, another 6 months at 25thID as a 2nd Lt. before making 0-2 and then made 0-3 BEFORE THE LAW ALLOWED IT. You claimed to have had 1 year time in grade as a 0-3!!!!

I was a Captain (O-3) for most of my time when I was in A-stan.

I know for a FACT that Army Officer service obligations are for 8 YEARS!!

Seriously...who the **** do you think you are addressing? Even if you were a shit hot Lt. (which obviously you are not because you let a child penetrate your perimeter and only put out one claymore as a perimeter defense) with all of your FITREPs reflecting that, your time line is FUBAR.

Hmmmmmmmmmm..... This is getting beter by the day...please....... keep it up.

1.) Actually you are right. My date of rank for O-3 was 1 December 04. So I was a 1LT for most of my time in Afghanistan. Silly me, I made a mistake. So it was three and a half years to make O-3. It wasn't terribly important to me since everyone in the Army made O1, O2, and O3 on the same timeline. That's Army wide and is not specific to any one division or branch.

2.) Your clock starts when you report for active duty, so my first year counts towards time in grade.

3.) I said that I was an O-3 for most of my time in Afghanistan (a miss-statement). My total time in Afghanistan was one year. I never said I was an O-3 for an entire year. You inferred that.

4.) Officer obligations are 8 years. Whatever you serve on active duty (four years for me) minus eight equals your reserve obligation. I only recently was able to resign my commission off of the IRR.

5.) The Army doesn't use "FITREPS" or whatever.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Silly me, I made a mistake.

Apparently so.
Have a nice day.

 

[geauxtohell]

Silly me, I made a mistake.

Apparently so.
Have a nice day.

You too.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

You're an incompetent leader at best and a totally inept buffoon who had no purpose being placed in charge of combat troops at worst.

A sailor's opinion of my tactical prowess is meaningless to me.

Especially since your "tactical prowess" is flawed at best...I'll take that as a compliment!!!!

Whatever, slapnuts.

It's just a damn shame that you stumbled into the Navy Recruiter Office. If you had stumbled into the Army or Marine Recruiter Office, I am sure this war would have been over in short time.

(((YAWN)))
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[PubliusInfinitum]

In a June 9, 2004, article “Reagan Played a Decisive Role in Saddam Hussein’s Survival in Iran-Iraq War,” Agence France Presse points out,

In February 1982, the State Department dropped Baghdad from its list of state sponsors of terrorism, clearing the way for aid and trade.

A month later, Reagan ordered a review of US policy in the Middle East which resulted in a marked shift in favor of Iraq over the next year.

“Soon thereafter, Washington began passing high-value military intelligence to Iraq to help it fight the war, including information from US satellites that helped fix key flaws in the fortifications protecting al-Basrah that proved important in Iran’s defeat in the next month,” wrote Kenneth Pollack in his recently published book “The Threatening Storm.” ...

By March 1985, the United States was issuing Baghdad export permits for high tech equipment crucial for its weapons of mass destruction programs, according to Pollack.

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Golly... You mean like LIVESTOCK VACCINES? Oh my!

ROFLMNAO... You people are absolutely incorrigible...

 

[Huh?]

yes, that whole rant was bullshit
what Gillespie said was not giving saddam permission to invade
and only a complete ******* moronic partisan would say it was

If Glaspie didn't think she was giving Saddam a green light why did she later say she had no idea he would take all of Kuwait?

source for that?

Damn Dive...it's easy enough to find but I'm not going to waste much time on you if you've never even heard about that and don't even know what her correct name is...go ahead and sling some more of your bullshit.

 

[Huh?]

Now...check your fucked up attitude at the door and I'll do the same.

And then in your very next response to me...

more for Duh?

Now...lets hope you learned something here today.

Have all your ducks in a row before shooting your mouth off.

Oh my...***t sure lasted long...