I thought Afghanistan was the "good war"???

[Huh?]

Well, we could start with the Invasion of Kuwait.

OK , let's start there.

As you know, or should know, during the Iran-Iraq war Saddam was Bush's boy.

Kuwait took advantage of the situation and stole Iraq's Ramallah Oil fields.

Saddam asked Bush I whether he would allow him to invade Kuwait to recover his property.

BUSH I TOLD SADDAM THAT THE US DOES NOT GET INVOLVED IN ARAB TO ARAB CONFLICTS AND GAVE HIM THE GREEN LIGHT.

BUT BUSH I HAD A CHANGE OF HEART AND ATTACKED IRAQ.

Next subject, please.


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Why you wanna go and try and bring reality into it?

Ok Dive...what part do you want to take exception to?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

You're an incompetent leader at best and a totally inept buffoon who had no purpose being placed in charge of combat troops at worst.

A sailor's opinion of my tactical prowess is meaningless to me.

Especially since your "tactical prowess" is flawed at best...I'll take that as a compliment!!!!

 

[DiveCon]

OK , let's start there.

As you know, or should know, during the Iran-Iraq war Saddam was Bush's boy.

Kuwait took advantage of the situation and stole Iraq's Ramallah Oil fields.

Saddam asked Bush I whether he would allow him to invade Kuwait to recover his property.

BUSH I TOLD SADDAM THAT THE US DOES NOT GET INVOLVED IN ARAB TO ARAB CONFLICTS AND GAVE HIM THE GREEN LIGHT.

BUT BUSH I HAD A CHANGE OF HEART AND ATTACKED IRAQ.

Next subject, please.


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Why you wanna go and try and bring reality into it?

Ok Dive...what part do you want to take exception to?

the whole ******* rant is total bullshit

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Listen, asswipe, I may not have written the clearest of sentences but you might try a little better at understanding my point before you go all dip shit on me...I said "long before Bush" as regards the Iraq /Iran war and previous involvements, although Bush was not completely uninvolved as VP and head of the CIA prior to that...and the "why did Bush do it" goes to my original question regarding the '91 battle.

You still haven't answered the question.

and what question would that be....why Bush didn't have jack shit to do with the 1980-1988 war with Iraq or why did he invade Kuwait?

If it's Kuwait even a 3rd grader doesn't need a course in modern middle eastern history to figure that out.......
Hint: OIL!!!!!

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I'm going to eat lunch...it's Slider Friday...I'll be back for more entertainment shortly.

 

[Huh?]

Why you wanna go and try and bring reality into it?

Ok Dive...what part do you want to take exception to?

the whole ******* rant is total bullshit

It may not have been written totally clearly but Saddam's beef with Kuwait was over the oilfields.

Bush did not dissuade Saddam from going into Kuwait, in fact through April Glaspie he told Saddam we were not involved with their internal dispute.

And then after Saddam went into Kuwait, Bush even used fabricated evidence to come up with a reason to get in the middle of it.

No, the whole ******* rant is not total bullshit but your way of taking exception with a neg rep rather than confront me directly was bullshit...I thought you had more class than that.

 

[Huh?]

Listen, asswipe, I may not have written the clearest of sentences but you might try a little better at understanding my point before you go all dip shit on me...I said "long before Bush" as regards the Iraq /Iran war and previous involvements, although Bush was not completely uninvolved as VP and head of the CIA prior to that...and the "why did Bush do it" goes to my original question regarding the '91 battle.

You still haven't answered the question.

and what question would that be....why Bush didn't have jack shit to do with the 1980-1988 war with Iraq or why did he invade Kuwait?

If it's Kuwait even a 3rd grader doesn't need a course in modern middle eastern history to figure that out.......
Hint: OIL!!!!!

If you can't even follow along with the conversation why do you even get involved?

We didn't need Saddam to take Kuwait in order to get to their oil...why did Bush set Saddam up?

 

[Si modo]

Ok Dive...what part do you want to take exception to?

the whole ******* rant is total bullshit

It may not have been written totally clearly but Saddam's beef with Kuwait was over the oilfields. ....

Nope. Over debt. Any slant drilling had zero effect on Iraqi production. Iraq was just broke and Iraq owed them a lot from their war. Invading them, whom Iraq always considered part of their own Basra province would be a good way not to repay that debt and to gain some needed money.

Yet, that has little to do with BHO sitting on his ass doing nothing for six weeks to help the troops in Afghanistan whenever they ask for help.

 

[Wicked Jester]

11A, 3rd BDE 25th ID, July 2002-July 2005

We might have overlapped if you were at Shkin/Paktika Province in the Spring of '04. I was at Shkin for the first month or two of my deployment before moving up to Orgun-E. I think an element from 2nd Bat was there as well.

Were you at Harriman?
I was out of 'stan in mid march '03. We diverted to N. Iraq days before "shock and awe".
But it's quite possible that elements of 2nd bat were in your area at the time you stated.

I don't think so. Though, I never paid attention to the "military names" of the FOBs. I don't even remember what soldier Orgun-E was named after, I just called it Orgun-E. I was strictly in the Paktika Province. That was our AO. We didn't overlap. I didn't get there until March of '04 and left in March of '05. I was our Battalion's Recon Platoon Leader for 6 months and then the S5 for the last six months.

One recon unit that I was tremendously impressed with was RRD. Those guys were amazing. In fact, I was impressed with all of the 75th. We tagged along on some missions, and I was amazed at the way everything was to standard, from the OPORDER with a sand table to the execution of the mission. You were truly part of a great unit.

I am pretty sure 2nd bat (or elements of it) where there when we got into country. I remember being around those guys when the Tillman accident happened. You could tell the unit was torn up about it.

Check your Private messages. I sent you one. Get back to me, and we can discuss things in private. Particularly Tillman.
Let me just say that the 75th IS an awesome regiment. 1st, 2nd and 3rd. It's just too bad they are being compromised by our own government. Obama needs to shit, or get off the damn pot!

 

[DiveCon]

Ok Dive...what part do you want to take exception to?

the whole ******* rant is total bullshit

It may not have been written totally clearly but Saddam's beef with Kuwait was over the oilfields.

Bush did not dissuade Saddam from going into Kuwait, in fact through April Glaspie he told Saddam we were not involved with their internal dispute.

And then after Saddam went into Kuwait, Bush even used fabricated evidence to come up with a reason to get in the middle of it.

No, the whole ******* rant is not total bullshit but your way of taking exception with a neg rep rather than confront me directly was bullshit...I thought you had more class than that.

yes, that whole rant was bullshit
what Gillespie said was not giving saddam permission to invade
and only a complete ******* moronic partisan would say it was

 

[JakeStarkey]

the whole ******* rant is total bullshit

It may not have been written totally clearly but Saddam's beef with Kuwait was over the oilfields. ....

Nope. Over debt. Any slant drilling had zero effect on Iraqi production. Iraq was just broke and Iraq owed them a lot from their war. Invading them, whom Iraq always considered part of their own Basra province would be a good way not to repay that debt and to gain some needed money.

Yet, that has little to do with BHO sitting on his ass doing nothing for six weeks to help the troops in Afghanistan whenever they ask for help.

You have no idea what's going on in the chain of command. Email Clinton and Gates, and ask, si modo.

 

[Si modo]

It may not have been written totally clearly but Saddam's beef with Kuwait was over the oilfields. ....

Nope. Over debt. Any slant drilling had zero effect on Iraqi production. Iraq was just broke and Iraq owed them a lot from their war. Invading them, whom Iraq always considered part of their own Basra province would be a good way not to repay that debt and to gain some needed money.

Yet, that has little to do with BHO sitting on his ass doing nothing for six weeks to help the troops in Afghanistan whenever they ask for help.

You have no idea what's going on in the chain of command. Email Clinton and Gates, and ask, si modo.

Nonsense troll says what?

 

[Contumacious]

I defy ANYONE to find any government policy from the 1980's that specifically states that Iraq was an ally of the U.S.A..

So much bullshit, so little time.

Iraq: Declassified Documents of U.S. Support for Hussein
With Joyce Battle
Middle East Analyst, National Security Archive at George Washington University
Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003; 11 a.m. ET

The National Security Archive at George Washington University has published a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980�s. The collection of documents, published on the Web, include briefing materials, diplomatic reports of two Rumsfeld trips to Baghdad, reports on Iraqi chemical weapons use during the Reagan administration and presidential directives that ensure U.S. access to the region's oil and military expansion.

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[Huh?]

the whole ******* rant is total bullshit

It may not have been written totally clearly but Saddam's beef with Kuwait was over the oilfields.

Bush did not dissuade Saddam from going into Kuwait, in fact through April Glaspie he told Saddam we were not involved with their internal dispute.

And then after Saddam went into Kuwait, Bush even used fabricated evidence to come up with a reason to get in the middle of it.

No, the whole ******* rant is not total bullshit but your way of taking exception with a neg rep rather than confront me directly was bullshit...I thought you had more class than that.

yes, that whole rant was bullshit
what Gillespie said was not giving saddam permission to invade
and only a complete ******* moronic partisan would say it was

If Glaspie didn't think she was giving Saddam a green light why did she later say she had no idea he would take all of Kuwait?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Listen, asswipe, I may not have written the clearest of sentences but you might try a little better at understanding my point before you go all dip shit on me...I said "long before Bush" as regards the Iraq /Iran war and previous involvements, although Bush was not completely uninvolved as VP and head of the CIA prior to that...and the "why did Bush do it" goes to my original question regarding the '91 battle.

You still haven't answered the question.

and what question would that be....why Bush didn't have jack shit to do with the 1980-1988 war with Iraq or why did he invade Kuwait?

If it's Kuwait even a 3rd grader doesn't need a course in modern middle eastern history to figure that out.......
Hint: OIL!!!!!

If you can't even follow along with the conversation why do you even get involved?

We didn't need Saddam to take Kuwait in order to get to their oil...why did Bush set Saddam up?

Ohhhhh WWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Poor Saddam!!!!

I may not have written the clearest of sentences

Good point pinhead.

ANYWAY!!!!

for the terminally stupid idiots such as yourself let me reiterate...better yet...let me spell it out for you....

O - I - L You got that Duh?! After 8 years of tanker wars where we put OUR FLAG on all oil tankers transitting the SOH because Iran and Iraq were blowing them up one would WANT A GODDAM STABLE OIL SUPPLY HEADING TO OUR EUROPEAN ALLIES!!!!!

Now...check your fucked up attitude at the door and I'll do the same.

 

[Si modo]

It may not have been written totally clearly but Saddam's beef with Kuwait was over the oilfields.

Bush did not dissuade Saddam from going into Kuwait, in fact through April Glaspie he told Saddam we were not involved with their internal dispute.

And then after Saddam went into Kuwait, Bush even used fabricated evidence to come up with a reason to get in the middle of it.

No, the whole ******* rant is not total bullshit but your way of taking exception with a neg rep rather than confront me directly was bullshit...I thought you had more class than that.

yes, that whole rant was bullshit
what Gillespie said was not giving saddam permission to invade
and only a complete ******* moronic partisan would say it was

If Glaspie didn't think she was giving Saddam a green light why did she later say she had no idea he would take all of Kuwait?

Why don't you start a thread on that and make sure you provide some links. Too cowardly to do so?

Meanwhile, BHO is sitting on his ass not helping troops who have asked for resources.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I defy ANYONE to find any government policy from the 1980's that specifically states that Iraq was an ally of the U.S.A..

So much bullshit, so little time.

Iraq: Declassified Documents of U.S. Support for Hussein
With Joyce Battle
Middle East Analyst, National Security Archive at George Washington University
Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003; 11 a.m. ET

The National Security Archive at George Washington University has published a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980�s. The collection of documents, published on the Web, include briefing materials, diplomatic reports of two Rumsfeld trips to Baghdad, reports on Iraqi chemical weapons use during the Reagan administration and presidential directives that ensure U.S. access to the region's oil and military expansion.

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FAIL! The policy was to use Saddam against Iran to destabilize Khomeini and the U.S.'s policy with Iran was to supply dissedent generals with military hardware not only to fight Saddam but to mount a coup attempt against Khomeini.

 

[DiveCon]

It may not have been written totally clearly but Saddam's beef with Kuwait was over the oilfields.

Bush did not dissuade Saddam from going into Kuwait, in fact through April Glaspie he told Saddam we were not involved with their internal dispute.

And then after Saddam went into Kuwait, Bush even used fabricated evidence to come up with a reason to get in the middle of it.

No, the whole ******* rant is not total bullshit but your way of taking exception with a neg rep rather than confront me directly was bullshit...I thought you had more class than that.

yes, that whole rant was bullshit
what Gillespie said was not giving saddam permission to invade
and only a complete ******* moronic partisan would say it was

If Glaspie didn't think she was giving Saddam a green light why did she later say she had no idea he would take all of Kuwait?

source for that?

 

[DiveCon]

I defy ANYONE to find any government policy from the 1980's that specifically states that Iraq was an ally of the U.S.A..

So much bullshit, so little time.

Iraq: Declassified Documents of U.S. Support for Hussein
With Joyce Battle
Middle East Analyst, National Security Archive at George Washington University
Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003; 11 a.m. ET

The National Security Archive at George Washington University has published a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980�s. The collection of documents, published on the Web, include briefing materials, diplomatic reports of two Rumsfeld trips to Baghdad, reports on Iraqi chemical weapons use during the Reagan administration and presidential directives that ensure U.S. access to the region's oil and military expansion.

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FAIL! The policy was to use Saddam against Iran to destabilize Khomeini and the U.S.'s policy with Iran was to supply dissedent generals with military hardware not only to fight Saddam but to mount a coup attempt against Khomeini.

some people have very bad memories and use piss poor sources

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I defy ANYONE to find any government policy from the 1980's that specifically states that Iraq was an ally of the U.S.A..

So much bullshit, so little time.

Iraq: Declassified Documents of U.S. Support for Hussein
With Joyce Battle
Middle East Analyst, National Security Archive at George Washington University
Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003; 11 a.m. ET

The National Security Archive at George Washington University has published a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980�s. The collection of documents, published on the Web, include briefing materials, diplomatic reports of two Rumsfeld trips to Baghdad, reports on Iraqi chemical weapons use during the Reagan administration and presidential directives that ensure U.S. access to the region's oil and military expansion.

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Bullshit indeed...coming from you....

Next time read your sources and you may avoid making a complete asinine boob out of yourself in front of millions of people.

The U.S. was officially neutral regarding the Iran-Iraq war, and claimed that it armed neither side. Iran depended on U.S.-origin weapons, however, and sought them from Israel, Europe, Asia, and South America. Iraq started the war with a large Soviet-supplied arsenal, but needed additional weaponry as the conflict wore on

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