I think it's time to call Texas on their bluff

[Leviticus]

NAFTA doesn't exist.

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[struth]

What the fuck are you talking about?

I am telling you, little uninformed poster...that NAFTA doesn't exist. We have a new, better deal for Americans, called the USMCA....this is a few years ago too...amazing how you aren't aware

 

[Meathead]

I am telling you, little uninformed poster...that NAFTA doesn't exist. We have a new, better deal for Americans, called the USMCA....this is a few years ago too...amazing how you aren't aware

He is an idiot, isn't he?

 

[Leviticus]

I am telling you, little uninformed poster...that NAFTA doesn't exist. We have a new, better deal for Americans, called the USMCA....this is a few years ago too...amazing how you aren't aware

Oh right. the one that Trump claimed was better, but most economists said little little to actrually boost the US economy because it didn't prohibit use of sweatshops by US companies. I forgot about that one.

Free trade was a mistake to begin with IMHO, at least with countries like China and Mexico which have few labor protections. All Free trade with those countries does is allow US companies to outsource jobs to use sweatshops and slaves

 

[Nostra]

Texas has been threatening to secede for decades now. and I say it's time to let them.....

On a few conditions....
1; The Texas government has to buy the properties of any US citizens who do not wish to secede at fair market value +10% (same rate as required under eminent domain in many states), cover 100% of moving costs, and cover all fees and taxes on the houses that the people buy in their new states.

2; Texas will NOT be allowed into NAFTA, nor any other free trade agree with the United States for a period of no less than 10 years.

3; The United States will NOT give any type of financial or economic aid to Texas. Loans will be allowed, but will have the requirement that they be paid back with 10% interest.

4; Texas must repay any unpaid loans it has received from the federal government. Refusal will result in Texas being barred from trade with the US.

5; Texas may not, under any circumstances, drill for oil in US waters. Any attempt to do this will result in harsh economic sanctions.

7; Texas citizens will be required to have passports and visas in order to enter the United States.

Enjoy your $50 gal gas, Simp.

 

[Leviticus]

Enjoy your $50 gal gas, Simp.

Very little texas gas is sold domestically. It's all exported. It doesn't affect the gas prices at home as much as people think it does.

Plus, without Texas republicans blocking bills, the US would likely be able to get weaned off of fossel fuels. Texas will never stopn using fossel fuels because the GOP is completely paid off by the oil companies. So, good luck, since most of the oil in the gulf if NOT in Texas waters.

 

[Nostra]

Not an offer. If they do secede, most of those things WILL happen. They won't get free trade. They won't get economics assistance. They won't be allowed to enter the US without passports and visas. Those things are not up for debate.

And if they do secede, and they refuse to buy out US citizens, who do not want to be citizens of Texas, then they will have to deal with a bunch of foreign citizens in their country.

And If they owe money to the American people and refuse to pay it back, then they WILL NOT GEY TO TRADE WITG THE UNITED STATES.

It doesn't matter if they want to accept it or not. This isn't an offer, it's a list of things that will happen if they secede, whether they like it or not.

Who made you King, Dumbass?

 

[Cellblock2429]

hahaha texas cant even provide electric to their state much less the other services needed...

how much does texas get from federal govt?

your broke asses aint going nowhere

Federal Aid by State 2024

/———/ Hows abouts those California rolling blackouts? Any fake outrage over that? Bwhahahaha Bwhahahaha

 

[Nostra]

Very little texas gas is sold domestically. It's all exported. It doesn't affect the gas prices at home as much as people think it does.

You really are stupid.

 

[struth]

Oh right. the one that Trump claimed was better, but most economists said little little to actrually boost the US economy because it didn't prohibit use of sweatshops by US companies. I forgot about that one.

Free trade was a mistake to begin with IMHO, at least with countries like China and Mexico which have few labor protections. All Free trade with those countries does is allow US companies to outsource jobs to use sweatshops and slaves

No, the one that even your Dear Leader Joey Xiden admitted was a better deal

Joe Biden says Trump’s USMCA is ‘better than NAFTA’

Jake Tapper pressed Biden on whether he gives credit to the president for signing the new deal to replace the North American Free Trade Agreement.

nypost.com

 

[Leviticus]

Who made you King, Dumbass?

You think the American people would support trade with Texas if they owed us money?
Or giving any type of aid or bailout if they needed it?

No, I think most Americans would say, "You made your choice, deal ith the consequences."

 

[struth]

You think the American people would support trade with Texas if they owed us money?
Or giving any type of aid or bailout if they needed it?

No, I think most Americans would say, "You made your choice, deal ith the consequences."

How many countries owe us money that we are still trading with?

 

[Leviticus]

No, the one that even your Dear Leader Joey Xiden admitted was a better deal

Joe Biden says Trump’s USMCA is ‘better than NAFTA’

Jake Tapper pressed Biden on whether he gives credit to the president for signing the new deal to replace the North American Free Trade Agreement.

nypost.com

Japan is the primary one, but we trade with them becausse our deal allows us to have bases there for first strike capabilities.

We own China more thamn they own us. and the only other major debt holder to the US is South Korea, which we have the same deal we have with Japan.

Russia and India don't have free trade.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Like I said, we don't need Texas ot any of those other inbred, meth labs of states. We don't care if they secede. It would be a net gain for us, because we pay them more in aid than they pay in taxes. The issue is that most of the retards who threaten to secede think that they wil still get all the benefits of citizenship.

They think they will still get things like medicare and social security, and get to come and go as they please. That's not how it works. When a state secedes, they are no longer citizens. They have no rights and they get nothing. These states won't get free trade. They won't get bailed out when their economies collapse. We will wash our hands with the lot of you and good riddance.

We value your opinion. Thanks for sharing it.

 

[odanny]

I'm in favor of them seceding.

 

[bripat9643]

Texas has been threatening to secede for decades now. and I say it's time to let them.....

On a few conditions....
1; The Texas government has to buy the properties of any US citizens who do not wish to secede at fair market value +10% (same rate as required under eminent domain in many states), cover 100% of moving costs, and cover all fees and taxes on the houses that the people buy in their new states.

That's an absurd condition, and intended to be a deal killer. Why should the government be obligated to purchase their property? Did the U.S. purchase the property of any Mexican citizens when Texas joined the union? If they want to leave Texas, no one is stopping them. They can sell their property or even retain it. There's no justification for this condition.

2; Texas will NOT be allowed into NAFTA, nor any other free trade agree with the United States for a period of no less than 10 years.

No one will give a damn about this.

3; The United States will NOT give any type of financial or economic aid to Texas. Loans will be allowed, but will have the requirement that they be paid back with 10% interest.

Texas won't need any financial aid.

4; Texas must repay any unpaid loans it has received from the federal government. Refusal will result in Texas being barred from trade with the US.

States generally don't receive loans from the federal government

5; Texas may not, under any circumstances, drill for oil in US waters. Any attempt to do this will result in harsh economic sanctions.

They Won't be U.S. waters any longer. They will be Texas waters according to international treaties the U.S. signed.

7; Texas citizens will be required to have passports and visas in order to enter the United States.

Why should it be any different than for the citizens of any other country?

 

[DBA]

The gulf shore state are ones who are leeches on the American people. Every single one of them uses far more in federal aid than they pay in federal taxes. Them leaving would be a net gain for the US economy.

If the Southern states along with Texas all seceded and all the Democrats left these states, the remaining US would be gaining the vast majority of the leeches. The poor in Southern states tend to be very poor, they also tend to be Democrats. Democrats don’t seem to grasp the demographics of red states at all. County by county or district by district voting and economic maps may shed some light on your confusion.

 

[DBA]

Oh right. the one that Trump claimed was better, but most economists said little little to actrually boost the US economy because it didn't prohibit use of sweatshops by US companies. I forgot about that one.

Are they the same economists that claimed that inflation in the US was transitory? The same ones that put politics above all else, including their profession? Yeah, spare us their “expertise”.

 

[Leviticus]

That's an absurd condition, and intended to be a deal killer. Why should the government be obligated to purchase their property? Did the U.S. purchase the property of any Mexican citizens when Texas joined the union? If they want to leave Texas, no one is stopping them. They can sell their property or even retain it. There's no justification for this condition.


No one will give a damn about this.


Texas won't need any financial aid.


States generally don't receive loans from the federal government


They Won't be U.S. waters any longer. They will be Texas waters according to international treaties the U.S. signed.



Why should it be any different than for the citizens of any other country?

Well it's either pay the people for their property, or let them live there as non-citizens. Because if they tried to steal the property and kick them out, they would definately be met with enough sanctions to easily bankrupt their economy.

Texas currently receives more aid than they pay in taxes. and they can barely operate a functioning power grid.

Most oil is in the waters of other US states, not Texas. In fact, there are oil Texas-based oil rigs in others states waters than there are in theirown. Those oil rigs would have to either be shut down, or Texas would have to pay for the right to use them.

 

[Nostra]

You think the American people would support trade with Texas if they owed us money?
Or giving any type of aid or bailout if they needed it?

No, I think most Americans would say, "You made your choice, deal ith the consequences."

Like I said, enjoy your $50 gas, Dumbass.

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