nomadic5
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you can't do that with charity?And yet we are called to stand for good and oppose evil, right?
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you can't do that with charity?And yet we are called to stand for good and oppose evil, right?
Yes and I do. Maybe the confusion lies in what charity actually means. Is it charitable to kick a drug addict out of your house? That answer depends upon circumstances, right? If it's the first move, probably not. But if reason and experience can't convince them that their ways are failed behaviors that lead to failure, and every opportunity has been given to no avail, then at some point the charity becomes enabling and it is no longer charity. Sometimes people must learn things the hard way. Sometimes the best way to salvation is to reach rock bottom. So... what exactly is charity and when does charity actually become harmful to you?you can't do that with charity?
I don't see how you can compare being charitable to another poster on the forum (or not charitable), someone who is seeking truth and understanding.. to dealing with a drug addict.Yes and I do. Maybe the confusion lies in what charity actually means. Is it charitable to kick a drug addict out of your house? That answer depends upon circumstances, right? If it's the first move, probably not. But if reason and experience can't convince them that their ways are failed behaviors that lead to failure, and every opportunity has been given to no avail, then at some point the charity becomes enabling and it is no longer charity. Sometimes people must learn things the hard way. Sometimes the best way to salvation is to reach rock bottom. So... what exactly is charity and when does charity actually become harmful to you?
It's called an analogy. First of all the OP and apparently you do not understand that Vatican II imposed no new doctrine or required any assent from it's members. So your claim that the Pope, church and ordained priests are invalid is invalid. By continuing to bear false witness you and the OP continue to do harm to yourselves and your church. Of which I am a part of.I don't see how you can compare being charitable to another poster on the forum who is seeking truth and understanding.. to dealing with a drug addict.
So your claim that the Pope, church and ordained priests is invalid.It's called an analogy. First of all the OP and apparently you do not understand that Vatican II imposed no new doctrine or required any assent from it's members. So your claim that the Pope, church and ordained priests are invalid is invalid. By continuing to bear false witness you and the OP continue to do harm to yourselves and your church. Of which I am a part of.
Where's the heresy, buddy? Make your case. Be specific, because I don't believe you can. I believe that you have accepted that on authority without investigating it for yourself. I'm here to make you investigate it.So your claim that the Pope, church and ordained priests is invalid.
this in your post makes NO sense.
And it also makes no sense that just because Trads believe differently about modern history of the Church, they are all wrong and those who (blindly, it seems) follow the Vatican are perfectly OK. How can anyone say that? Look what Francis is teaching?! THAT is not Christian. Those outside the CC concur and are ridiculing Catholics in general, pointing their fingers and saying:
See, we told ya! We told you those Catholics are (fill in the blanks)!
But I have yet to see you attack Protestants. I guess you can't deal with their scathing rebukes of your Catholic beliefs...
And you are dead wrong that V2 did not impose new doctrine or require assent. Lefebvre was persecuted and basically told that he had to conform to V2 or be excommunicated.
Prove it. What was the new doctrine that required assent from its members?And you are dead wrong that V2 did not impose new doctrine or require assent.
Why on earth would I ever attack anyone else's beliefs on God? That's between them and God.But I have yet to see you attack Protestants. I guess you can't deal with their scathing rebukes of your Catholic beliefs...
It looks like you are quick to believe everyone is less informed than yourself.Where's the heresy, buddy? Make your case. Be specific, because I don't believe you can. I believe that you have accepted that on authority without investigating it for yourself. I'm here to make you investigate it.
You contradict yourself.Why on earth would I ever attack anyone else's beliefs on God? That's between them and God.
The Catholic Church promotes diverse opinions. That's how growth filled communities discover objective truth. As far as scathing rebukes go, when they are objectively valid there's no reason to fight them. God is spirit and we are called to worship God in spirit and truth. But for the invalid rebukes, we are called to oppose them for the sake of truth because God is truth.
You haven't named anything specific at all. Not one thing. Am I supposed to just trust you?It looks like you are quick to believe everyone is less informed than yourself.
looks like pride to me.
You have no idea what I have learned over the years and if you think I'm going to sit here all day typing out a fraction of what I know just so you can--well, you would just jump on something else and the cycle would continue.
Dude, tell me what the heresy was. Be specific. Let's hear it.You contradict yourself.
If everyone's beliefs are equal, something V2 promoted, then why would you or anyone else have to stand up for truth? Person A's truth is just as good as Person B's or Person C;s
But no, the Catholic Church once taught (and this is STILL true, hate to tell everyone) that Jesus and His Church have the Truth and everyone else needs to come to that Truth. Jesus set up the Church to save people, not tell them that whatever they want to believe is copostectic with God.
V2 was not a dogmatic council. But most everyday Catholics likely do not know that--do not know that they don't have to listen to V2's teachings. Of course not all V2 teachings contradict the Word or appear to change doctrine, but Satan likes to mix truth with error.Dude, tell me what the heresy was. Be specific. Let's hear it.
I don't accept your assertion that Francis has overridden any doctrine at all.V2 was not a dogmatic council. But most everyday Catholics likely do not know that--do not know that they don't have to listen to V2's teachings. Of course not all V2 teachings contradict the Word or appear to change doctrine, but Satan likes to mix truth with error.
A lot of Catholics think that Francis is the pope. But no, he is a heretic. And Jesus promised that the gates of Hell (which the saints describe as: heresy) would not prevail against the True Church He founded. Logic tells us that a heretic therefore cannot be pope (except in appearances, but we know how deceptive appearances can be).
Even Christians outside the CC know that Francis is a heretic, because his words contradict Scripture. Jesus never condoned same sex marriage, for example. Francis does.
So the doctrine always taught by the CC that homosexual acts are "intrinsically" evil has been (again: according to appearances) over-ridden by the heretic Francis. But heretics cannot over-ride TRUTH/dogma. No one can over-ride GOD.
It's interesting to me how Protestants are so quick to condemn what they think is the Catholic Church (the Vatican et al) and yet when they have information showing that the Vatican is not where the Catholic Church resides anymore... they just ignore it.
It's so fun to hate the Catholic Church, isn't it?
What's that all about?
I mean, really, what is that about? Why do people love to hate the RCC?
I say that is DEMONIC
Maybe I am wrong (vis a vis INTENTIONS). Maybe it is just abysmal ignorance. But it looks diabolical to me (at this point). Of course Jesus warned us. He said His people would be "hated by all" Mk 13:13 (the old unlucky, apropos number 13)
What you call superstitious may not actually be that.Don’t Be a Superstitious Christian
Scott Redd encourages Christians to reject their pious-sounding superstitions and talismans and rely on Christ alone.www.thegospelcoalition.org
Superstitious beliefs are demonic.
Name one then and see if you get any support. I've already suggested that you've got a head start with Ding and Meriweather on the big boat/big flood event. They both believe in the boat part at least!What you call superstitious may not actually be that.
Frankly, I don't care about whehter or not I can prove the Flood or any other biblical event happened. I have experienced Christ's actual, tangible Presence and that will always keep me Catholic... always!Name one then and see if you get any support. I've already suggested that you've got a head start with Ding and Meriweather on the big boat/big flood event. They both believe in the boat part at least!
That's good!Frankly, I don't care about whehter or not I can prove the Flood or any other biblical event happened. I have experienced Christ's actual, tangible Presence and that will always keep me Catholic... always!
Jesus can do things with a person no one else can (or would even if they could). remember, Jesus even brought people back from the dead. All should spend much time in HIs presence. The Flood happening or not.. bleh.. Who cares?