Zone1 Sedevacantist Catholics say Charlie Kirk was not a Christian

[hadit]

You are saying there is no True Church when you say that everyone's religion is of equal value.. or that all religions are true.

That is absolutely absurd and abysmally illogical.

If Belief A opposes Belief B in its entirety and only one of them is true

You can't say that B is also A

The True Church, the one Jesus founded, knows no artificial, man-made sectarian boundaries.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I didn't say that. I said God isn't going to ask me my opinion.

God: Well, pknopp, what do you think?

Not going to happen.

You should be afraid of what He IS going to "question" you on. Actually, He has no need to question anyone. He already knows.

But here is a question I can envision Him asking people who have just died and appear before Him

Why didn't you listen when my servants were trying to bring you to the truth?

 

[pknopp]

You should be afraid of what He IS going to "question" you on. Actually, He has no need to question anyone. He already knows.

But here is a question I can envision Him asking people who have just died and appear before Him

Why didn't you listen when my servants were trying to bring you to the truth?

Afraid? Not at all.

 

[forkintheroad7]

The true Church is not Rome, a denomination, or a building. It’s all who are born again by faith in Christ and indwelt by His Spirit (John 3:3; Ephesians 2:20). “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me” (John 10:27).

I've heard this half truth 1000 times.

I guess you don't know the story of how King David wanted to build a house for the Ark of the Covenant (a box-like tabernacle) which at certain times God used to speak to the Israelites? King David felt uncomfortable living in a palace while the Ark was kept in a tent.

God told him through a prophet that He is God and owns everything, so why would He need a house built for Him?

Yet God did indeed approve a House of God

First known as a synagogue, now known as the Catholic Church

(not the Vatican which is now corrupt and heretical)

 

[Hafar1014]

Catholics are not doing that.. Infiltrators into the Vatican are the perps.

But you wouldn't know anything about that because you do not do research on the topics you speak on.

You don't have to research anything because you apparently were born knowing everything...



Well, if you don't know more the next time you answer one of my posts

meaning: more on What Really Happened to the Catholic Church After Vatican II (the title of a book you may want to check out)

I'm done with you. I'm tired of ignorant people... so ignorant they don't even know they are ignorant.

The Vatican defended them from prosecution for decades. Nuns get pregnant all the time. Their babies are adopted privately. Often used was New Jersey because a private adoption cant be traced. I was part of the fight to get original birth certificates. We won. The Catholic Church fought us through the Catholic Conference for years. A nun told me why. Some fathers really are fathers.

Wide spread of sexual abuse by Catholic priests is well known. The church paid over 1 billion to settle lawsuits.
Multiple grand jury investigations in Philadelphia and other Pennsylvania dioceses have detailed widespread sexual abuse and systemic cover-ups by church officials. The reports, released in 2005, 2011, and 2018, have been described as some of the most extensive examinations of the crisis in the United States.
2018 Pennsylvania statewide grand jury report
This report investigated six of Pennsylvania's eight Catholic dioceses (Allentown, Erie, Greensburg, Harrisburg, Pittsburgh, and Scranton) from 2016 to 2018. It did not include the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, which had been the subject of earlier probes.

• Scale of abuse: The grand jury concluded that more than 300 "predator priests" abused over 1,000 children across the state. The report noted that the true number of victims was likely in the thousands due to lost records and victims who never came forward.
• Systemic cover-up: The report accused senior church officials of actively concealing the abuse to protect the church's reputation and finances. Abusive priests were routinely transferred to new parishes, and church records—referred to as "secret archives"—documented both the abuse and the cover-up.
• • Legal impact: The report spurred other states to launch their own investigations and influenced Pennsylvania lawmakers to pass new legislation. The new law:
    • Abolished the criminal statute of limitations for child sexual abuse.
    • Created a two-year window for older victims to file civil lawsuits.
    • Clarified penalties for failing to report child abuse.
  • Vatican response: In response to the report, the Holy See acknowledged with "shame and sorrow" the church's failure to protect children, but noted that most cases in the report occurred before 2002 reforms.

2011 Archdiocese of Philadelphia grand jury report
This report focused specifically on the Archdiocese of Philadelphia and resulted in criminal charges against clergy members.

• Focus: The grand jury accused the archdiocese of failing to stop the abuse of children by up to 37 priests with "credible allegations".
• Criminal charges: It handed down indictments against three priests, one teacher, and Monsignor William Lynn, the official in charge of clergy personnel, for his role in covering up the abuse.
• Diocesan response: Following the report, the archdiocese suspended 21 priests and hired an outside expert to review abuse cases.

2005 Archdiocese of Philadelphia grand jury report
The 2005 report was the second from a Philadelphia grand jury, following an initial 2003 report that detailed abuse and cover-ups but produced no indictments.

• Findings: The 2005 report again accused the church of a major cover-up but, like its predecessor, did not result in criminal charges at the time.
• Ongoing lawsuits: In recent years, the Archdiocese of Philadelphia has continued to face and settle civil lawsuits stemming from the abuse. For instance, in 2023, it settled a case involving a deceased priest for $3.5 million.

Hows that

 

[forkintheroad7]

Afraid? Not at all.

You and everyone should be afraid because the Word says (Jesus says) that few find the narrow way to Heaven.

Reliable sources say: less than 1%

Reality says this also.. I watch the news.

Also, I have interacted w/ hundreds of people throughout my life. Most of them are snarky as all get out--and God only knows what other serious sins they are engaged in

 

[forkintheroad7]

The Vatican defended them from prosecution for decades.

I might as well put you on Ignore.

Unless you just like writing a bunch of stuff that I'm not going to read?

Until people here study Sedevacantism (and/or history and/or the DR Bible), they don't have half a clue what I believe in

Worse, they don't have half a clue as to What Really happened to the Catholic Church after Vatican II.

As stated elsewhere, there is book called that. If you don't read that book, you don't know what I believe and therefore, I cannot speak to you RE the Catholic Church because you don't even know WHERE it is or WHAT it is. You think it's the Vatican!!!!

Oh brother...

Therefore, you have no business speaking on it.

 

[Votto]

You will have to Search Sedevacantist but basically it means the most traditionally Catholic "branch" of the Catholic Church (although I myself do not at this time count the Vatican as being one branch)

So anyway, I went to a Sede Catholic site and there is a video there that is entitled

Charlie Kirk was not a Christian

So start throwing your rhetorical stones at me... and/or them. But they made an excellent case for him not being one.. objectively speaking.

Subjectively speaking... well, God knew that Kirk was seeking for the true faith, so who knows how He dealt with his soul... but Kirk may not have been making much progress in finding it because at some age or another, he said that he doesn't agree w/ everything the [true Church] teaches. It's sad most people do not know where the True Church is.

Oh look everyone, someone else other than the Left to trash Charlie Kirk.

Yay.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Yes, speaking the truth is always trash



according to liberals who hate truth

and if you hate truth, that is what you are... you liberally choose to believe whatever fancies you

 

[bdavidc]

WRONG

The Jews crucified Him... his own people.. Figures (if you ask me)

"Your enemies will be those of your own household" Jesus said. He would know...

Yes. Jesus was rejected by His own people. “He came unto His own, and His own received Him not” (John 1:11). Israel’s religious leaders delivered Him over in unbelief, and then they shouted, “Crucify Him!” (Mark 15:13). Spiritually, that was the worst that could be said of Israel at that time.

Historically, though, it was Rome who did the execution. The Jews had no legal right to crucify anyone under Roman law. The governor Pilate gave the order to carry out the sentence (John 19:10–16). So in human terms, the guilt is shared by Jew and Gentile alike.

And in God’s terms, we all share the guilt. Peter said, “You killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead” (Acts 3:15). But he also said, “Christ died for our sins” (1 Corinthians 15:3). The cross was not a political act, but God’s plan of the ages (Acts 2:23).

His own people betrayed Him and Rome executed Him, but it was our sin that nailed Him there, and His love that kept Him there. None of us can point fingers at anyone else. Every one of us stands guilty apart from the mercy of the One who hung on that cross.

 

[Votto]

Yes, speaking the truth is always trash



according to liberals who hate truth

and if you hate truth, that is what you are... you liberally choose to believe whatever fancies you

 

[bdavidc]

couldn't possibly be both...

yeh, that's some logic you have there...

Actually, that’s straight from Scripture, not human logic.

The true Church is not a man-made organization, it’s a living organism made up of all who are born again through faith in Jesus Christ. “Now you are the body of Christ, and individually members of it” (1 Corinthians 12:27). The Church is spiritual before it’s ever structural.

Yes, local congregations exist and organize for worship, teaching, and service, that’s biblical. But those visible gatherings aren’t the Church in the ultimate sense. The true Church is every believer indwelt by the Holy Spirit, whether they meet in a cathedral, a house, or underground. “Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16).

Human institutions can call themselves churches and build hierarchies, but only those united to Christ by faith belong to His body. Jesus said, “Where two or three are gathered in My name, there am I among them” (Matthew 18:20). That’s the essence of the Church, Christ’s presence among His people, not human paperwork or titles.

So yes, there can be organization in the body, but organization isn’t what makes it the Church. Christ does. Without Him, it’s just another religious system. With Him, it’s the living, breathing body of the redeemed.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

that Christ's Church could never be Catholic?

Because CHRIST'S CHURCH is a COMMANDMENT KEEPING Church. Catholics have TRADITIONS

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You should be afraid of what He IS going to "question" you on. Actually, He has no need to question anyone. He already knows.

But here is a question I can envision Him asking people who have just died and appear before Him

Why didn't you listen when my servants were trying to bring you to the truth?

Yes. You will be asked that. "Judgment begins with the House of God"

 

[Hafar1014]

Because CHRIST'S CHURCH is a COMMANDMENT KEEPING Church. Catholics have TRADITIONS

God doesnt command us he gave us free will. We must choose

 

[Carl in Michigan]

God doesnt command us he gave us free will. We must choose

No, He COMMANDS certain things. You choose to obey or not. Then comes JUDGEMENT

 

[Hafar1014]

No, He COMMANDS certain things. You choose to obey or not. Then comes JUDGEMENT

God doesnt command he asks. Ill judge God. In your context God is an example of poor parenting. YOur concept is a tyrant who is punitive.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

God doesnt command he asks. Ill judge God. In your context God is an example of poor parenting. YOur concept is a tyrant who is punitive.

But I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you.

Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you

My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you

If you love Me, keep My Commandments

 

[Hafar1014]

But I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you.

Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you

My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you

If you love Me, keep My Commandments

Your belief reflects poot parenting.
The 10 commandments are morals.
The whole point of Genesis is mans freedom to choose to believe in God. God doesnt want people like you. Thats why he made ants and bees.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Your belief reflects poot parenting.
The 10 commandments are morals.
The whole point of Genesis is mans freedom to choose to believe in God. God doesnt want people like you. Thats why he made ants and bees.

Words mean whatever you want them to mean in your world. You got one life. It's best to get it right