I have changed my mind on abortion,,

[Canon Shooter]

same thing

But you yourself are inconsistent. Anyone who says he is pro choice but not pro abortion is being totally inconsistent. If you are against abortion for the right reason: it is murder

Then just when is murder acceptable?

Oh.. when you want to kill a totally innocent human being?

right

You're confused.

I'm anti-abortion in that I find very act disgusting and abhorrent and I wish it didn't exist.

I am pro-choice insofar as that I find equally abhorrent the idea that the government should have a say in what is, at the end of the day, a medical procedure. My explanation of "pro choice" and "pro abortion" is simple and concise and it remains 100% unchallenged.

Murder is never acceptable. But abortion isn't murder. Our laws tell us that...

 

[progressive hunter]

You're confused.

I'm anti-abortion in that I find very act disgusting and abhorrent and I wish it didn't exist.

I am pro-choice insofar as that I find equally abhorrent the idea that the government should have a say in what is, at the end of the day, a medical procedure. My explanation of "pro choice" and "pro abortion" is simple and concise and it remains 100% unchallenged.

Murder is never acceptable. But abortion isn't murder. Our laws tell us that...

abortion is not a medical procedure,,

laws dont determine what murder is,, laws determine what the punishment is,,

 

[JoeMoma]

laugh... a paraphrase of Ronald Reagan who said something like:

People are pro abortion because they are already born

Reagan phrased it better than I did.

 

[Canon Shooter]

abortion is not a medical procedure,,

Sure it is...

laws dont determine what murder is,, laws determine what the punishment is,,

Murder is an illegal act.

Abortion is no illegal.

Therefore, by definition, abortion cannot be murder.

You're dismissed...

 

[progressive hunter]

Sure it is...



Murder is an illegal act.

Abortion is no illegal.

Therefore, by definition, abortion cannot be murder.

You're dismissed...

what injury or ailment is being treated???

laws are for punishment not to determine what is or isnt murder,,


definitions are not based on a political POV

or are you saying that if murder laws are repealed murder no longer exists??

 

[Canon Shooter]

what injury or ailment is being treated???

If someone gets a nose job, that's a medical procedure, yet it's most often done for no other reason than to reshape an unattractive nose.

Getting breast implants is a medical procedure, yet it treats nothing....

laws are for punishment not to determine what is or isnt murder,,

Then what determines what's illegal?

When you say the phrase "That man has broken the law", you're not commenting at all on what a potential punishment is. You're commenting on a law for which the boundaries of which have been broken...

definitions are not based on a political POV

I've actually never argued anything remotely similar to that...

or are you saying that if murder laws are repealed murder no longer exists??

If "murder laws" are repealed then, yes, there would be no murder. There would still, however, be killing.

If you could explain, though: what murder laws are you referring to?

 

[progressive hunter]

If someone gets a nose job, that's a medical procedure, yet it's most often done for no other reason than to reshape an unattractive nose.

Getting breast implants is a medical procedure, yet it treats nothing....




Then what determines what's illegal?

When you say the phrase "That man has broken the law", you're not commenting at all on what a potential punishment is. You're commenting on a law for which the boundaries of which have been broken...



I've actually never argued anything remotely similar to that...



If "murder laws" are repealed then, yes, there would be no murder. There would still, however, be killing.

If you could explain, though: what murder laws are you referring to?

but they arent working on the mother,, they are killing the child shes carrying,,


murder would still exist it would just be legal to do,,,

laws dont determine the definitions of things, laws are for punishment,,

for someone thats against abortion you sure do work hard to defend it,,

 

[EvilCat Breath]

what injury or ailment is being treated???

laws are for punishment not to determine what is or isnt murder,


definitions are not based on a political POV

or are you saying that if murder laws are repealed murder no longer exists??

Well, yes. Without laws against murder, then murder, as a crime, would no longer exist. The act of killing exists. It just could not be prosecuted as a crime since the criminal designation would not exist.

 

[progressive hunter]

Well, yes. Without laws against murder, then murder, as a crime, would no longer exist. The act of killing exists. It just could not be prosecuted as a crime since the criminal designation would not exist.

like you said " murder as a crime",, its still murder,,

just like stealing,, remove the law and its still stealing,, you just dont get punished by the government for it, but beware of those you stole from,,
luckily if you murder someone you dont have to worry about them coming after you,, the family is a different story,,

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Anarchy is the future.

 

[progressive hunter]

Anarchy is the future.

considering what a failure having a government has been a little anarchy doesnt sound so bad,,,

 

[EvilCat Breath]

considering what a failure having a government has been a little anarchy doesnt sound so bad,,,

It's all that's left.

 

[progressive hunter]

It's all that's left.

it would be a better day when we can kill those that threaten our lives and livelihoods,,

 

[notmyfault2020]

Ideally every state just bans abortion as murder.

Barring that, sure, those states that still allow it absolutely should mandate sterilization with every elective abortion, so they never have the opportunity to kill their own kid again. That is entirely agreeable. Though to be honest, it was something I said while Roe forced every state to have elective abortion - now since Dobbs we can just ban abortion.

This makes sense. . sort of. As an American, I don't like forcing anyone to do anything but every abortion is a death sentence, obviously. So yeh.. I wouldn't have a problem with mandatory sterilization after every abortion. That would make people think twice, to be sure. Do I want to kill the only baby I will ever have?

Yeh.. it's a good idea..

 

[EvilCat Breath]

it would be a better day when we can kill those that threaten our lives and livelihoods,,

Underneath it all, that's what defunding the police is all about. If there are no police to defend you, there are no police to defend them from you. The wealthy will have private armies, not answerable to a central authority. The rest us have personal authority. Defund the police restore order

 

[progressive hunter]

Underneath it all, that's what defunding the police is all about. If there are no police to defend you, there are no police to defend them from you. The wealthy will have private armies, not answerable to a central authority. The rest us have personal authority. Defund the police restore order

but the rich need us to survive,, if people were more reliable on themselves instead of the government for protection I doubt the rich will be much of a problem,, we are our own army,,

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

This makes sense. . sort of. As an American, I don't like forcing anyone to do anything but every abortion is a death sentence, obviously. So yeh.. I wouldn't have a problem with mandatory sterilization after every abortion. That would make people think twice, to be sure. Do I want to kill the only baby I will ever have?

Yeh.. it's a good idea..

The idea was really just “an anything that might discourage abortion and is technically still allowed under Roe” approach.

But now Roe is gone so eh.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This makes sense. . sort of. As an American, I don't like forcing anyone to do anything but every abortion is a death sentence, obviously. So yeh.. I wouldn't have a problem with mandatory sterilization after every abortion. That would make people think twice, to be sure. Do I want to kill the only baby I will ever have?

Yeh.. it's a good idea..

I had a secretary that had so many abortions she would run down on her lunch hour, have it done, take an aspirin and be back at work within an hour.

Then the doctor said she had so much scar tissue built up that she may never have a child. Another abortion would be permanent sterilization. It wasn't long before she ended up pregnant. This time it was "I don't want to kill the only child I will ever have." She had a little girl. After that her prior abortions finished the job. Between the abortions and delivery she was done.

 

[Canon Shooter]

but they arent working on the mother,, they are killing the child shes carrying,,

I'm sure you believe that.

It's still a medical procedure...

murder would still exist it would just be legal to do,,,

Murder is, by definition, an unlawful act. If abortion is not unlawful, it cannot be murder...

laws dont determine the definitions of things, laws are for punishment,,

So, what determines whether or not something is an illegal act?

Every law enforcement entity I've ever been acquainted with tells me it's the law. I'm far more likely to believe them over what some internet pinhead says it is.

So, what makes something illegal?

for someone thats against abortion you sure do work hard to defend it,,

I don't defend abortion at all. I defend the a woman's right to not have the government involved in the decision, regardless of what that decision is...

 

[progressive hunter]

Murder is, by definition, an unlawful act. If abortion is not unlawful, it cannot be murder.

and if that law is repealed its still murder,, just not illegal

just like stealing and running a stop sign,,

something has to exist first to make it illegal,,,