I don’t understand why republicans are so selective about the definition of socialism

[Dana7360]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. The founders had socialist ideas after all. They basically were leftists. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

Obama didn't use socialism to recover from the economic collapse the republicans and bush boy caused again.

Obama used capitalism. Obama LOANED money to the car manufacturers and Wall Street. They all paid it back with interest.

trump used socialism to bail out the farmers. Not one penny of it was a loan and no one is required to pay it back.

That wall trump and his followers are building is also socialism.

Far right radicals love socialism. As long as it's a republican who is doing it.

 

[Osiris-ODS]

I wish people advocating socialism would stop comparing the US to Scandinavian countries that have populations and economies the size of the city of Miami, and which also have strict immigration policies. Also, stop using Canada's healthcare system as an example of "good socialism." It's a dismal failure. People come to the US for medical procedures rather than waiting months to see a doctor there. And Germany? It's on the verge of economic collapse because of how expansive the "social safety nets" (as you describe them) have become, with a seemingly borderless immigration policy (welcoming every African and Middle Eastern "refugee" that wants free shit with open arms), completely squandering everything they gained from the Great Economic Miracle after WWII, ushered in by Ludwig Von Ehrhardt lifting price controls and undoing everything Hitler had imposed.

So how does the comparison to Venezuela fit your model?

Not fair to compare to Canada or Scandinavia, but fair to compare to Venezuela

I never said anything about Venezuela. That is a dictatorship, which adds a whole new dynamic.

 

[Dana7360]

Bullshit. The vets have the BEST health care in the USA. Just ask anyone who is being served by the VA. They have a very high approval rating.

But the VA is seriously underfunded, and doesn't have adequate staff or resources. It was never intended to deal with 18 years of continuous warfare.

How is it that the USA is the only country in the first world which cannot figure out how to effectively deliver healthcare for all, at a reasonable rate? Possibly because Republicans don't want these programs to be successful. They design your government programs poorly so that they're expensive, inefficient, and don't work as advertized.

Every other first world nation manages to take care of their people effectively and at a decent cost. Americans overpay for everything and get bad results. You're the ONLY first world country with "for profit" medicine which is actually REDUCING your life expectancy. That's the proof that your system doesn't work. The rest of the world is extending life expectancy. Healthy people aren't profitable.

You are lying again!

Please link where you got that bullshit story that VA has a high rating because I can link many that have hated the system!

Also Dragonlady you mentioned the GOP designed the system to fail while the System we have now was designed by Pelosi, Reid and Obama when it come to the ACA, so are you now claiming they are Republicans?

This remind me when you claimed Pelosi is highly respected and I schooled you with the fact she is hated within her own political party!

So when you come back at me by calling what I wrote is bullshit you better link shit to support your fucking opinion because the fact is you are known to lie!

Fact is many Veterans suffered during Obama years and isn't funny one of the biggest scandals with the VA happened during his time and you believe the U.S. Government can run a bigger program like Universal Healthcare?

Also as you pointed out Universal Healthcare would fail here seeing America is not a one party nation and let me be clear it is not like Canada either seeing it is a Republic of FIFTY STATES and the third largest population on the PLANET and how is China Healthcare?

How are the poor there treated seeing you want to compare something so let compare China taking care of their poor and do they have the same access to healthcare as the political elites and rich have in that country?

This debate gets old. Billy comes back 3 times a month and poses the question differently hoping for a different outcome, lol.

1. Who has the largest economy in the world?

2. Which countrys people on average have the most personal wealth of the large economy's?

3. Which country's people have the most upward mobility?

4. Which country are the rest of the worlds people fighting to break into?

.5. Which country's people have the largest living space as far as dwelling?

6. Which country's people possess the most personal transportation?

7. Which country's people have the most availability of different staples and abundance of food?

8. Which country's people have the most availability of goods?

9. Which country's people are the most overweight, meaning they can afford to eat on demand?

10. Which country has the most people flying all over the world to help other country's because they can.

AND FINALLY, is that country the most, or least Socialistic!

Now who wants to be a Socialist, and if so, why!

You convinced me I need to sneak into North Korea and live the Scoialist Mecca!!!

You know Bruce, these Leftists keep trying to ask the question 540 different ways to get the outcome they desire. Kinda like wording polls in certain ways to get the splits you want, lol.

They don't get that Americans are on to all their propaganda and bullsh**! And that is not me saying so, it is the results of the mood of the country. They can flail and spin all they want, but just the release of the numbers from Trumps rally last night proves they are screwed!

From the information gotten by the GOP last night, over 20% of the people inside and outside, were registered DEMOCRATS now supporting Trump, who either did NOT vote last cycle, or voted for Hillary.

But here is the amazing thing, and it was PROVEN by the numbers---------------->IF the exact same numbers came in 2020 that came in 2016, those changed and added VOTES WOULD FLIP NEW HAMPSHIRE-) And that is one rally count!

I am also here to tell you, expect Minn to go to the GOP, AND depending upon who the Democratic nominee is, Illinois is in play!

I don't know how much stronger a position I can put forth as evidence as of today. The Left is on a whole heap of trouble, Socialist, Communist/Marxist, and or welfare state. They may actually take a political bloodbath!

Bullshit. Those people were Trumpers, but here's the part you don't get. Many of them are there for the show, not because they believe in Trump. And many of them weren't from New Hampshire.

Most of them were either bussed or drove in from other states.

trump also over distributes tickets to his rallies. Which leaves people out in the cold temperatures for hours.

trump is a reality tv personality. He knows how to put on a show. Republicans love their actors. They seem to elect them whenever they're on the ballot with an R after their name.

Most of what is presented with that man is fake.

 

[Dana7360]

Is the pot now calling the kettle black?

By my very statement about priorities, I prove that it is not.

We're all different, with different priorities. Which is my point.
.

I don't disagree with you at all. But you notice, you need OUR money to do what you want. We allow you to keep YOUR money to do whatever you want. If you decide you want to give it to BERNARD or LIZ, your choice. Just pay more yourselves.

It is like me telling you that YOU can't buy an electric car with YOUR money. I have no right to do that!

But you want the right to tell ME that I have to buy an electric car because you say so!

That is the difference between you and I.

I do?

OK, OK, lets not get off on a tangent here Mac, that solves nothing.

Tell you what, let me use your expertise, and maybe we can come to some agreement here, ok?

Tell everyone what YOU think the correct OVERALL tax rate should be for Americans smack dab in the middle class.

After that, tell them what it would cost for BERNARDS, or LIZ, or Mayor Petes plans, and how it would affect the tax rate you suggested!

Your the money guy, tell us! And remember, 50% or around of the people you are talking to, no lika dat stuff! So you are asking them to finance a plan, they do not want, and like all other plans, will never go away. So once it is in place, it goes on FOREVER!

So tell them!

The answer is in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I would add four new, higher tax margins with a Minimum Effective Tax Rate (METR, my idea) for all taxpayers. I would also drop corporate tax rates a few points and add a METR.

I don't like the socialism that Trump and his Trumpsters have pushed on us -- aggressively higher spending, aggressively higher deficits, aggressive NY Fed intervention. I'd rather be fiscally conservative and pay as we go.
.

I'm sorry but fiscally conservative economics have not been responsible economics in decades.

I prefer to be fiscally responsible and pay as we go.

 

[Dragonlady]

HOLY FUCK!
How many different ways can you frame “GIVE ME FREE SHIT”?
Dude look, we totally get it...you’re unable to pay your own way...FUCK stop embarrassing yourself.

You really are genuinly dumber than a sack of hammers if you think "socialism" is defined as "free shit". The best thing is that Republicans love their "free shit". Tax breaks for billionaires, free rides for corporations

And they've convinced the gullible that they shouldn't worry about free shit for corporations who get billions of dollars of tax breaks, and subsidies, but those poor inner city people are bleeding you white. That you believe these lies shows what fools Republican voters really are.

And you really do not give a shit about the poor either or the fact the U.S. Government can not even give our Veterans decent Healthcare and yet you believe the U.S. Government can run a massive Universal Healthcare!?!

Also if people believe we would get Medicare for All then you will have to carry supplemental Healthcare Insurance which would be provided by a private insurance agency like is done now, so you get taxed and still pay for private insurance...

Bullshit. The vets have the BEST health care in the USA. Just ask anyone who is being served by the VA. They have a very high approval rating.

But the VA is seriously underfunded, and doesn't have adequate staff or resources. It was never intended to deal with 18 years of continuous warfare.

How is it that the USA is the only country in the first world which cannot figure out how to effectively deliver healthcare for all, at a reasonable rate? Possibly because Republicans don't want these programs to be successful. They design your government programs poorly so that they're expensive, inefficient, and don't work as advertized.

Every other first world nation manages to take care of their people effectively and at a decent cost. Americans overpay for everything and get bad results. You're the ONLY first world country with "for profit" medicine which is actually REDUCING your life expectancy. That's the proof that your system doesn't work. The rest of the world is extending life expectancy. Healthy people aren't profitable.

You are lying again!

Please link where you got that bullshit story that VA has a high rating because I can link many that have hated the system!

Also Dragonlady you mentioned the GOP designed the system to fail while the System we have now was designed by Pelosi, Reid and Obama when it come to the ACA, so are you now claiming they are Republicans?

This remind me when you claimed Pelosi is highly respected and I schooled you with the fact she is hated within her own political party!

So when you come back at me by calling what I wrote is bullshit you better link shit to support your fucking opinion because the fact is you are known to lie!

Fact is many Veterans suffered during Obama years and isn't funny one of the biggest scandals with the VA happened during his time and you believe the U.S. Government can run a bigger program like Universal Healthcare?

Also as you pointed out Universal Healthcare would fail here seeing America is not a one party nation and let me be clear it is not like Canada either seeing it is a Republic of FIFTY STATES and the third largest population on the PLANET and how is China Healthcare?

How are the poor there treated seeing you want to compare something so let compare China taking care of their poor and do they have the same access to healthcare as the political elites and rich have in that country?

This debate gets old. Billy comes back 3 times a month and poses the question differently hoping for a different outcome, lol.

1. Who has the largest economy in the world?

2. Which countrys people on average have the most personal wealth of the large economy's?

3. Which country's people have the most upward mobility?

4. Which country are the rest of the worlds people fighting to break into?

.5. Which country's people have the largest living space as far as dwelling?

6. Which country's people possess the most personal transportation?

7. Which country's people have the most availability of different staples and abundance of food?

8. Which country's people have the most availability of goods?

9. Which country's people are the most overweight, meaning they can afford to eat on demand?

10. Which country has the most people flying all over the world to help other country's because they can.

AND FINALLY, is that country the most, or least Socialistic!

Now who wants to be a Socialist, and if so, why!

1. China;

2. Only 20% of Americans own stocks. 80% do not.

3. Canada - Canada has the fastest growing middle class in the World. The US middle class is shrinking;

4. The USA can't attract immigration, other than from third world countries, because life in the USA is too expensive, and too dangerous. Nobody is "breaking into" your country. Companies happily hire illegals and encourage illegal immigration.

5. Australia

6. San Marino - 1263 cars per 1000 people.

7. Not the USA. You have the highest rates of obesity, diabetes and heart disease in the world, while many of your citizens are malnourished. These are all diseases which stem from poor nutrition. Having the world's largest assortment of preprocessed, pre-prepared junk food doesn't mean people are well fed.

8. Any first world country.

9. Being overweight isn't a sign of having a lot to eat. It means you're eating poorly. And it's a sign of just how unhealthy your food sources are.

10. Not the USA. Not unless there is something in for them.


Which country has the highest rates of drug addiction, alcoholism, and depression - the diseases of despair. USA #1 with a bullet.

All your bullet points deal with wealth and money. Every single one. As a Canadian, I am proud to live in a country where refugees are not only welcomed, they're given a year's assistance to help get them established in a new country. Where our Constitution requires all citizens to "help one another".

Where our education system guarantees ALL students a quality education, not just those who live in expensive neighbourhoods. Where senior citizens are guaranteed a minimum income of $18,000 per year in pensions and Old Age Security. Where I really was able to move up the social ladder by dint of hard work and education.

When Canada lost its auto manufacturing, the government provided training in alternate employment so they could find decent jobs in the new economy.

Every time I go to the USA, I'm shocked at how dirty, and poorly maintained your cities are, the roads are in poor repair, and your country looks run down and neglected, compared to our infrastructure. You're country is run down and not working properly. Free market capitalism isn't working.

 

[imawhosure]

You really are genuinly dumber than a sack of hammers if you think "socialism" is defined as "free shit". The best thing is that Republicans love their "free shit". Tax breaks for billionaires, free rides for corporations

And they've convinced the gullible that they shouldn't worry about free shit for corporations who get billions of dollars of tax breaks, and subsidies, but those poor inner city people are bleeding you white. That you believe these lies shows what fools Republican voters really are.

And you really do not give a shit about the poor either or the fact the U.S. Government can not even give our Veterans decent Healthcare and yet you believe the U.S. Government can run a massive Universal Healthcare!?!

Also if people believe we would get Medicare for All then you will have to carry supplemental Healthcare Insurance which would be provided by a private insurance agency like is done now, so you get taxed and still pay for private insurance...

Bullshit. The vets have the BEST health care in the USA. Just ask anyone who is being served by the VA. They have a very high approval rating.

But the VA is seriously underfunded, and doesn't have adequate staff or resources. It was never intended to deal with 18 years of continuous warfare.

How is it that the USA is the only country in the first world which cannot figure out how to effectively deliver healthcare for all, at a reasonable rate? Possibly because Republicans don't want these programs to be successful. They design your government programs poorly so that they're expensive, inefficient, and don't work as advertized.

Every other first world nation manages to take care of their people effectively and at a decent cost. Americans overpay for everything and get bad results. You're the ONLY first world country with "for profit" medicine which is actually REDUCING your life expectancy. That's the proof that your system doesn't work. The rest of the world is extending life expectancy. Healthy people aren't profitable.

You are lying again!

Please link where you got that bullshit story that VA has a high rating because I can link many that have hated the system!

Also Dragonlady you mentioned the GOP designed the system to fail while the System we have now was designed by Pelosi, Reid and Obama when it come to the ACA, so are you now claiming they are Republicans?

This remind me when you claimed Pelosi is highly respected and I schooled you with the fact she is hated within her own political party!

So when you come back at me by calling what I wrote is bullshit you better link shit to support your fucking opinion because the fact is you are known to lie!

Fact is many Veterans suffered during Obama years and isn't funny one of the biggest scandals with the VA happened during his time and you believe the U.S. Government can run a bigger program like Universal Healthcare?

Also as you pointed out Universal Healthcare would fail here seeing America is not a one party nation and let me be clear it is not like Canada either seeing it is a Republic of FIFTY STATES and the third largest population on the PLANET and how is China Healthcare?

How are the poor there treated seeing you want to compare something so let compare China taking care of their poor and do they have the same access to healthcare as the political elites and rich have in that country?

This debate gets old. Billy comes back 3 times a month and poses the question differently hoping for a different outcome, lol.

1. Who has the largest economy in the world?

2. Which countrys people on average have the most personal wealth of the large economy's?

3. Which country's people have the most upward mobility?

4. Which country are the rest of the worlds people fighting to break into?

.5. Which country's people have the largest living space as far as dwelling?

6. Which country's people possess the most personal transportation?

7. Which country's people have the most availability of different staples and abundance of food?

8. Which country's people have the most availability of goods?

9. Which country's people are the most overweight, meaning they can afford to eat on demand?

10. Which country has the most people flying all over the world to help other country's because they can.

AND FINALLY, is that country the most, or least Socialistic!

Now who wants to be a Socialist, and if so, why!

1. China;

2. Only 20% of Americans own stocks. 80% do not.

3. Canada - Canada has the fastest growing middle class in the World. The US middle class is shrinking;

4. The USA can't attract immigration, other than from third world countries, because life in the USA is too expensive, and too dangerous. Nobody is "breaking into" your country. Companies happily hire illegals and encourage illegal immigration.

5. Australia

6. San Marino - 1263 cars per 1000 people.

7. Not the USA. You have the highest rates of obesity, diabetes and heart disease in the world, while many of your citizens are malnourished. These are all diseases which stem from poor nutrition. Having the world's largest assortment of preprocessed, pre-prepared junk food doesn't mean people are well fed.

8. Any first world country.

9. Being overweight isn't a sign of having a lot to eat. It means you're eating poorly. And it's a sign of just how unhealthy your food sources are.

10. Not the USA. Not unless there is something in for them.


Which country has the highest rates of drug addiction, alcoholism, and depression - the diseases of despair. USA #1 with a bullet.

All your bullet points deal with wealth and money. Every single one. As a Canadian, I am proud to live in a country where refugees are not only welcomed, they're given a year's assistance to help get them established in a new country. Where our Constitution requires all citizens to "help one another".

Where our education system guarantees ALL students a quality education, not just those who live in expensive neighbourhoods. Where senior citizens are guaranteed a minimum income of $18,000 per year in pensions and Old Age Security. Where I really was able to move up the social ladder by dint of hard work and education.

When Canada lost its auto manufacturing, the government provided training in alternate employment so they could find decent jobs in the new economy.

Every time I go to the USA, I'm shocked at how dirty, and poorly maintained your cities are, the roads are in poor repair, and your country looks run down and neglected, compared to our infrastructure. You're country is run down and not working properly. Free market capitalism isn't working.

I will debate with you later Canuck. Right now I have a racist Black guy attacking my bi-racial grandkids. As you know, we protect family 1st!

 

[Blues Man]

You really are genuinly dumber than a sack of hammers if you think "socialism" is defined as "free shit". The best thing is that Republicans love their "free shit". Tax breaks for billionaires, free rides for corporations

And they've convinced the gullible that they shouldn't worry about free shit for corporations who get billions of dollars of tax breaks, and subsidies, but those poor inner city people are bleeding you white. That you believe these lies shows what fools Republican voters really are.

And you really do not give a shit about the poor either or the fact the U.S. Government can not even give our Veterans decent Healthcare and yet you believe the U.S. Government can run a massive Universal Healthcare!?!

Also if people believe we would get Medicare for All then you will have to carry supplemental Healthcare Insurance which would be provided by a private insurance agency like is done now, so you get taxed and still pay for private insurance...

Bullshit. The vets have the BEST health care in the USA. Just ask anyone who is being served by the VA. They have a very high approval rating.

But the VA is seriously underfunded, and doesn't have adequate staff or resources. It was never intended to deal with 18 years of continuous warfare.

How is it that the USA is the only country in the first world which cannot figure out how to effectively deliver healthcare for all, at a reasonable rate? Possibly because Republicans don't want these programs to be successful. They design your government programs poorly so that they're expensive, inefficient, and don't work as advertized.

Every other first world nation manages to take care of their people effectively and at a decent cost. Americans overpay for everything and get bad results. You're the ONLY first world country with "for profit" medicine which is actually REDUCING your life expectancy. That's the proof that your system doesn't work. The rest of the world is extending life expectancy. Healthy people aren't profitable.

You are lying again!

Please link where you got that bullshit story that VA has a high rating because I can link many that have hated the system!

Also Dragonlady you mentioned the GOP designed the system to fail while the System we have now was designed by Pelosi, Reid and Obama when it come to the ACA, so are you now claiming they are Republicans?

This remind me when you claimed Pelosi is highly respected and I schooled you with the fact she is hated within her own political party!

So when you come back at me by calling what I wrote is bullshit you better link shit to support your fucking opinion because the fact is you are known to lie!

Fact is many Veterans suffered during Obama years and isn't funny one of the biggest scandals with the VA happened during his time and you believe the U.S. Government can run a bigger program like Universal Healthcare?

Also as you pointed out Universal Healthcare would fail here seeing America is not a one party nation and let me be clear it is not like Canada either seeing it is a Republic of FIFTY STATES and the third largest population on the PLANET and how is China Healthcare?

How are the poor there treated seeing you want to compare something so let compare China taking care of their poor and do they have the same access to healthcare as the political elites and rich have in that country?

This debate gets old. Billy comes back 3 times a month and poses the question differently hoping for a different outcome, lol.

1. Who has the largest economy in the world?

2. Which countrys people on average have the most personal wealth of the large economy's?

3. Which country's people have the most upward mobility?

4. Which country are the rest of the worlds people fighting to break into?

.5. Which country's people have the largest living space as far as dwelling?

6. Which country's people possess the most personal transportation?

7. Which country's people have the most availability of different staples and abundance of food?

8. Which country's people have the most availability of goods?

9. Which country's people are the most overweight, meaning they can afford to eat on demand?

10. Which country has the most people flying all over the world to help other country's because they can.

AND FINALLY, is that country the most, or least Socialistic!

Now who wants to be a Socialist, and if so, why!

1. China;

2. Only 20% of Americans own stocks. 80% do not.

3. Canada - Canada has the fastest growing middle class in the World. The US middle class is shrinking;

4. The USA can't attract immigration, other than from third world countries, because life in the USA is too expensive, and too dangerous. Nobody is "breaking into" your country. Companies happily hire illegals and encourage illegal immigration.

5. Australia

6. San Marino - 1263 cars per 1000 people.

7. Not the USA. You have the highest rates of obesity, diabetes and heart disease in the world, while many of your citizens are malnourished. These are all diseases which stem from poor nutrition. Having the world's largest assortment of preprocessed, pre-prepared junk food doesn't mean people are well fed.

8. Any first world country.

9. Being overweight isn't a sign of having a lot to eat. It means you're eating poorly. And it's a sign of just how unhealthy your food sources are.

10. Not the USA. Not unless there is something in for them.


Which country has the highest rates of drug addiction, alcoholism, and depression - the diseases of despair. USA #1 with a bullet.

All your bullet points deal with wealth and money. Every single one. As a Canadian, I am proud to live in a country where refugees are not only welcomed, they're given a year's assistance to help get them established in a new country. Where our Constitution requires all citizens to "help one another".

Where our education system guarantees ALL students a quality education, not just those who live in expensive neighbourhoods. Where senior citizens are guaranteed a minimum income of $18,000 per year in pensions and Old Age Security. Where I really was able to move up the social ladder by dint of hard work and education.

When Canada lost its auto manufacturing, the government provided training in alternate employment so they could find decent jobs in the new economy.

Every time I go to the USA, I'm shocked at how dirty, and poorly maintained your cities are, the roads are in poor repair, and your country looks run down and neglected, compared to our infrastructure. You're country is run down and not working properly. Free market capitalism isn't working.

About Half of Americans Own Stocks - Fact or Myth?

 

[bripat9643]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply...

I don't understand why socialists have such a tough time understanding the definition of socialism. I mean, all one need do is Google:
socialism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   
   
2. (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

You cant produce without the interference of the US government...they dictate how you do it and how much you should take in and all you have to do is obey, and the government is by the people (community). That's liberalism isn't it ?

That's also called fascism. What's good about it?

 

[bripat9643]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

HOLY FUCK!
How many different ways can you frame “GIVE ME FREE SHIT”?
Dude look, we totally get it...you’re unable to pay your own way...FUCK stop embarrassing yourself.

Bulb...why do most red states have highest rates of welfare and food stamp recipients?
Dont blame it on brownies this time again.

It's because of those blacks and Mexicans you claim to love.

 

[fncceo]

it gives you a false sense of manliness and toughness

As opposed to ...

 

[rightwinger]

I wish people advocating socialism would stop comparing the US to Scandinavian countries that have populations and economies the size of the city of Miami, and which also have strict immigration policies. Also, stop using Canada's healthcare system as an example of "good socialism." It's a dismal failure. People come to the US for medical procedures rather than waiting months to see a doctor there. And Germany? It's on the verge of economic collapse because of how expansive the "social safety nets" (as you describe them) have become, with a seemingly borderless immigration policy (welcoming every African and Middle Eastern "refugee" that wants free shit with open arms), completely squandering everything they gained from the Great Economic Miracle after WWII, ushered in by Ludwig Von Ehrhardt lifting price controls and undoing everything Hitler had imposed.

So how does the comparison to Venezuela fit your model?

Not fair to compare to Canada or Scandinavia, but fair to compare to Venezuela

I never said anything about Venezuela. That is a dictatorship, which adds a whole new dynamic.

Who would you say is a comparable socialist economy?
China?

 

[Rigby5]

I wish people advocating socialism would stop comparing the US to Scandinavian countries that have populations and economies the size of the city of Miami, and which also have strict immigration policies. Also, stop using Canada's healthcare system as an example of "good socialism." It's a dismal failure. People come to the US for medical procedures rather than waiting months to see a doctor there. And Germany? It's on the verge of economic collapse because of how expansive the "social safety nets" (as you describe them) have become, with a seemingly borderless immigration policy (welcoming every African and Middle Eastern "refugee" that wants free shit with open arms), completely squandering everything they gained from the Great Economic Miracle after WWII, ushered in by Ludwig Von Ehrhardt lifting price controls and undoing everything Hitler had imposed.

So how does the comparison to Venezuela fit your model?

Not fair to compare to Canada or Scandinavia, but fair to compare to Venezuela

I never said anything about Venezuela. That is a dictatorship, which adds a whole new dynamic.

Who would you say is a comparable socialist economy?
China?

Socialism equates to civilized.
If you look at the most civilized countries, they have the most socialism.
For example, the US is civilized because it has socialized public education, roads systems, social security pensions, ADC, disabilities act, etc.
Europe is even more socialized because they also have socialized health care.

Whee the US is uncivilized is the lack of public health care and the War on Drugs, both of which should be fixed by more socialization.

 

[Rigby5]

When people try to say that capitalism creates the most wealth, military power, etc., that ruins their argument.
That is because no rational person would ever pick the system that generated the most wealth or power, because that would be a ruthless miltiary dictatorship that enforced slavery.
Ancient Rome is an example of that.
Ancient Rome was not more civilized or better, but simply more powerful and corrupt as a whole.
The individuals did not profit from this wealth and power, and could easily end up in the gladitorial arena just for saying something that was true but considered subversive.

 

[Vel]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. The founders had socialist ideas after all. They basically were leftists. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

Is there some part of "Allowing the government to control the means of production is a bad idea" that you don't understand?

The term socialism refers to any system in which the production and distribution of goods and services is a shared responsibility of a group of people. Socialism is based upon economic and political theories that advocate for collectivism. In a state of socialism, there is no privately owned property.
Examples of Socialism

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

You really are genuinly dumber than a sack of hammers if you think "socialism" is defined as "free shit". The best thing is that Republicans love their "free shit". Tax breaks for billionaires, free rides for corporations

And they've convinced the gullible that they shouldn't worry about free shit for corporations who get billions of dollars of tax breaks, and subsidies, but those poor inner city people are bleeding you white. That you believe these lies shows what fools Republican voters really are.

And you really do not give a shit about the poor either or the fact the U.S. Government can not even give our Veterans decent Healthcare and yet you believe the U.S. Government can run a massive Universal Healthcare!?!

Also if people believe we would get Medicare for All then you will have to carry supplemental Healthcare Insurance which would be provided by a private insurance agency like is done now, so you get taxed and still pay for private insurance...

Bullshit. The vets have the BEST health care in the USA. Just ask anyone who is being served by the VA. They have a very high approval rating.

But the VA is seriously underfunded, and doesn't have adequate staff or resources. It was never intended to deal with 18 years of continuous warfare.

How is it that the USA is the only country in the first world which cannot figure out how to effectively deliver healthcare for all, at a reasonable rate? Possibly because Republicans don't want these programs to be successful. They design your government programs poorly so that they're expensive, inefficient, and don't work as advertized.

Every other first world nation manages to take care of their people effectively and at a decent cost. Americans overpay for everything and get bad results. You're the ONLY first world country with "for profit" medicine which is actually REDUCING your life expectancy. That's the proof that your system doesn't work. The rest of the world is extending life expectancy. Healthy people aren't profitable.

You are lying again!

Please link where you got that bullshit story that VA has a high rating because I can link many that have hated the system!

Also Dragonlady you mentioned the GOP designed the system to fail while the System we have now was designed by Pelosi, Reid and Obama when it come to the ACA, so are you now claiming they are Republicans?

This remind me when you claimed Pelosi is highly respected and I schooled you with the fact she is hated within her own political party!

So when you come back at me by calling what I wrote is bullshit you better link shit to support your fucking opinion because the fact is you are known to lie!

Fact is many Veterans suffered during Obama years and isn't funny one of the biggest scandals with the VA happened during his time and you believe the U.S. Government can run a bigger program like Universal Healthcare?

Also as you pointed out Universal Healthcare would fail here seeing America is not a one party nation and let me be clear it is not like Canada either seeing it is a Republic of FIFTY STATES and the third largest population on the PLANET and how is China Healthcare?

How are the poor there treated seeing you want to compare something so let compare China taking care of their poor and do they have the same access to healthcare as the political elites and rich have in that country?

This debate gets old. Billy comes back 3 times a month and poses the question differently hoping for a different outcome, lol.

1. Who has the largest economy in the world?

2. Which countrys people on average have the most personal wealth of the large economy's?

3. Which country's people have the most upward mobility?

4. Which country are the rest of the worlds people fighting to break into?

.5. Which country's people have the largest living space as far as dwelling?

6. Which country's people possess the most personal transportation?

7. Which country's people have the most availability of different staples and abundance of food?

8. Which country's people have the most availability of goods?

9. Which country's people are the most overweight, meaning they can afford to eat on demand?

10. Which country has the most people flying all over the world to help other country's because they can.

AND FINALLY, is that country the most, or least Socialistic!

Now who wants to be a Socialist, and if so, why!

1. China;

2. Only 20% of Americans own stocks. 80% do not.

3. Canada - Canada has the fastest growing middle class in the World. The US middle class is shrinking;

4. The USA can't attract immigration, other than from third world countries, because life in the USA is too expensive, and too dangerous. Nobody is "breaking into" your country. Companies happily hire illegals and encourage illegal immigration.

5. Australia

6. San Marino - 1263 cars per 1000 people.

7. Not the USA. You have the highest rates of obesity, diabetes and heart disease in the world, while many of your citizens are malnourished. These are all diseases which stem from poor nutrition. Having the world's largest assortment of preprocessed, pre-prepared junk food doesn't mean people are well fed.

8. Any first world country.

9. Being overweight isn't a sign of having a lot to eat. It means you're eating poorly. And it's a sign of just how unhealthy your food sources are.

10. Not the USA. Not unless there is something in for them.


Which country has the highest rates of drug addiction, alcoholism, and depression - the diseases of despair. USA #1 with a bullet.

All your bullet points deal with wealth and money. Every single one. As a Canadian, I am proud to live in a country where refugees are not only welcomed, they're given a year's assistance to help get them established in a new country. Where our Constitution requires all citizens to "help one another".

Where our education system guarantees ALL students a quality education, not just those who live in expensive neighbourhoods. Where senior citizens are guaranteed a minimum income of $18,000 per year in pensions and Old Age Security. Where I really was able to move up the social ladder by dint of hard work and education.

When Canada lost its auto manufacturing, the government provided training in alternate employment so they could find decent jobs in the new economy.

Every time I go to the USA, I'm shocked at how dirty, and poorly maintained your cities are, the roads are in poor repair, and your country looks run down and neglected, compared to our infrastructure. You're country is run down and not working properly. Free market capitalism isn't working.

FYI:

Canada economy is dependent on the U.S. more than the U.S. is dependent on Canada, so your middle class comment is based on us ( the United States ) funding your economy by buying your oil and building factories in your country.

So I would just stop with you nonsense and China Economy would crash without the U.S. buying it cheap and poisonous crap!

 

[Dragonlady]

And you really do not give a shit about the poor either or the fact the U.S. Government can not even give our Veterans decent Healthcare and yet you believe the U.S. Government can run a massive Universal Healthcare!?!

Also if people believe we would get Medicare for All then you will have to carry supplemental Healthcare Insurance which would be provided by a private insurance agency like is done now, so you get taxed and still pay for private insurance...

Bullshit. The vets have the BEST health care in the USA. Just ask anyone who is being served by the VA. They have a very high approval rating.

But the VA is seriously underfunded, and doesn't have adequate staff or resources. It was never intended to deal with 18 years of continuous warfare.

How is it that the USA is the only country in the first world which cannot figure out how to effectively deliver healthcare for all, at a reasonable rate? Possibly because Republicans don't want these programs to be successful. They design your government programs poorly so that they're expensive, inefficient, and don't work as advertized.

Every other first world nation manages to take care of their people effectively and at a decent cost. Americans overpay for everything and get bad results. You're the ONLY first world country with "for profit" medicine which is actually REDUCING your life expectancy. That's the proof that your system doesn't work. The rest of the world is extending life expectancy. Healthy people aren't profitable.

You are lying again!

Please link where you got that bullshit story that VA has a high rating because I can link many that have hated the system!

Also Dragonlady you mentioned the GOP designed the system to fail while the System we have now was designed by Pelosi, Reid and Obama when it come to the ACA, so are you now claiming they are Republicans?

This remind me when you claimed Pelosi is highly respected and I schooled you with the fact she is hated within her own political party!

So when you come back at me by calling what I wrote is bullshit you better link shit to support your fucking opinion because the fact is you are known to lie!

Fact is many Veterans suffered during Obama years and isn't funny one of the biggest scandals with the VA happened during his time and you believe the U.S. Government can run a bigger program like Universal Healthcare?

Also as you pointed out Universal Healthcare would fail here seeing America is not a one party nation and let me be clear it is not like Canada either seeing it is a Republic of FIFTY STATES and the third largest population on the PLANET and how is China Healthcare?

How are the poor there treated seeing you want to compare something so let compare China taking care of their poor and do they have the same access to healthcare as the political elites and rich have in that country?

This debate gets old. Billy comes back 3 times a month and poses the question differently hoping for a different outcome, lol.

1. Who has the largest economy in the world?

2. Which countrys people on average have the most personal wealth of the large economy's?

3. Which country's people have the most upward mobility?

4. Which country are the rest of the worlds people fighting to break into?

.5. Which country's people have the largest living space as far as dwelling?

6. Which country's people possess the most personal transportation?

7. Which country's people have the most availability of different staples and abundance of food?

8. Which country's people have the most availability of goods?

9. Which country's people are the most overweight, meaning they can afford to eat on demand?

10. Which country has the most people flying all over the world to help other country's because they can.

AND FINALLY, is that country the most, or least Socialistic!

Now who wants to be a Socialist, and if so, why!

1. China;

2. Only 20% of Americans own stocks. 80% do not.

3. Canada - Canada has the fastest growing middle class in the World. The US middle class is shrinking;

4. The USA can't attract immigration, other than from third world countries, because life in the USA is too expensive, and too dangerous. Nobody is "breaking into" your country. Companies happily hire illegals and encourage illegal immigration.

5. Australia

6. San Marino - 1263 cars per 1000 people.

7. Not the USA. You have the highest rates of obesity, diabetes and heart disease in the world, while many of your citizens are malnourished. These are all diseases which stem from poor nutrition. Having the world's largest assortment of preprocessed, pre-prepared junk food doesn't mean people are well fed.

8. Any first world country.

9. Being overweight isn't a sign of having a lot to eat. It means you're eating poorly. And it's a sign of just how unhealthy your food sources are.

10. Not the USA. Not unless there is something in for them.


Which country has the highest rates of drug addiction, alcoholism, and depression - the diseases of despair. USA #1 with a bullet.

All your bullet points deal with wealth and money. Every single one. As a Canadian, I am proud to live in a country where refugees are not only welcomed, they're given a year's assistance to help get them established in a new country. Where our Constitution requires all citizens to "help one another".

Where our education system guarantees ALL students a quality education, not just those who live in expensive neighbourhoods. Where senior citizens are guaranteed a minimum income of $18,000 per year in pensions and Old Age Security. Where I really was able to move up the social ladder by dint of hard work and education.

When Canada lost its auto manufacturing, the government provided training in alternate employment so they could find decent jobs in the new economy.

Every time I go to the USA, I'm shocked at how dirty, and poorly maintained your cities are, the roads are in poor repair, and your country looks run down and neglected, compared to our infrastructure. You're country is run down and not working properly. Free market capitalism isn't working.

FYI:

Canada economy is dependent on the U.S. more than the U.S. is dependent on Canada, so your middle class comment is based on us ( the United States ) funding your economy by buying your oil and building factories in your country.

So I would just stop with you nonsense and China Economy would crash without the U.S. buying it cheap and poisonous crap!

The bald fact is your country is dropping like a stone because your workers aren't making enough money, and everything goes to the shareholders. Our minimum wage is currently $14 and our companies aren't suffering for it. We have better health care, education, infrastructure, and our taxes go to help our people, not on tax cuts for billionaires.

Our air and water are cleaner, we live longer, and we have better upward mobility. You're not "funding our economy". You're buying goods and services from us. That's how capitalism works. If you don't want our goods, don't buy them.

If Canada and China stopped sending you goods, you'd be unable to feed or clothe yourselves. You've off-loaded all your low end manufacturing to third world countries.

Your economy is funded on debt - that you owe the Chinese.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. The founders had socialist ideas after all. They basically were leftists. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

What socialist ideas did the framers have? Considering none of that bullshit showed up here until FDR this should be fun.

 

[Billy000]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. The founders had socialist ideas after all. They basically were leftists. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

What socialist ideas did the framers have? Considering none of that bullshit showed up here until FDR this should be fun.

The borrowed idea of citizens paying taxes with representation. That’s pure socialism.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. The founders had socialist ideas after all. They basically were leftists. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

What socialist ideas did the framers have? Considering none of that bullshit showed up here until FDR this should be fun.

The borrowed idea of citizens paying taxes with representation. That’s pure socialism.

You’re a pure idiot. Socialism has zero representation for the individual. Whatever you make the government takes then decides what you can have back.

Have you ever heard about the Boston Tea Party? Just wondering.

 

[Billy000]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. The founders had socialist ideas after all. They basically were leftists. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

What socialist ideas did the framers have? Considering none of that bullshit showed up here until FDR this should be fun.

The borrowed idea of citizens paying taxes with representation. That’s pure socialism.

You’re a pure idiot. Socialism has zero representation for the individual. Whatever you make the government takes then decides what you can have back.

Have you ever heard about the Boston Tea Party? Just wondering.

You have no concept of what socialism is lol. Yes, collecting taxes, regardless of what they are used for, is socialism. You wanting to put a pure negative connotation to a word you don’t understand. It’s just this boogey word you repubs like to say.