I don’t understand why republicans are so selective about the definition of socialism

[Missouri_Mike]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. The founders had socialist ideas after all. They basically were leftists. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

James Madison:

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, SNAP, Obama phones, welfare, public housing, infrastructure spending.....

Do you need me to go on?

Nothing socialist about the founding fathers. They were nearly the exact, and complete opposite.

Lol you do know that people have paid taxes since the beginning right?

For the defense of the country? Of course. There would be no country, without taxation to fund the defense of the country.

Doesn't change the fact that our country wasn't built on socialist principals, or ideals. Instead the exact opposite is what turned this country, the youngest in a world of nations that were hundreds almost thousands of years older, into the lone super power in the world.

It was capitalism that did that, not socialism. This is why you see more socialized countries all over the world, some with vast natural resources, that still can't hold a candle to the US.

By any measure, by every perspective, we are a nation that is only wealthy and a world power today, because of capitalism. Not socialism. Only the most ignorant, and arrogant, could even pretend to claim otherwise.

Again, you people really don’t understand the concept of socialism. It’s a very broad term, but paying taxes regardless of the purpose is SOCIALSM. Moreover, socialism and capitalism while different, are not mutually exclusive ideas. These are ideas that have coexisted since the beginning of this country. I mean my god, what do you think our monetary system is? It’s socialism.

You left wing morons are always trying to “broaden” the meaning of things. Socialism is just paying taxes. Without all of the other stuff that freedom entails. Just taxes.

Killing children isn’t murder either. Pro-choice, women’s health etc. yet in the end it all results in dead kids. Just like your taxes are socialism so stop fighting it. Death and misery are still the end result. No matter how broad you want to define it.

 

[Billy000]

Lol you do know that people have paid taxes since the beginning right?

For the defense of the country? Of course. There would be no country, without taxation to fund the defense of the country.

Doesn't change the fact that our country wasn't built on socialist principals, or ideals. Instead the exact opposite is what turned this country, the youngest in a world of nations that were hundreds almost thousands of years older, into the lone super power in the world.

It was capitalism that did that, not socialism. This is why you see more socialized countries all over the world, some with vast natural resources, that still can't hold a candle to the US.

By any measure, by every perspective, we are a nation that is only wealthy and a world power today, because of capitalism. Not socialism. Only the most ignorant, and arrogant, could even pretend to claim otherwise.

Again, you people really don’t understand the concept of socialism. It’s a very broad term, but paying taxes regardless of the purpose is SOCIALSM. Moreover, socialism and capitalism while different, are not mutually exclusive ideas. These are ideas that have coexisted since the beginning of this country. I mean my god, what do you think our monetary system is? It’s socialism.

Holy shit but you're stupid.

Seriously, you should have stuck it out through 1st grade. It would have opened up a new world for you.

Nah, you just can’t explain how I am wrong.

Socialism is the state or central authority having control of the means of production.

Taxes aren't the means of production, you drooling retard.

Uh yeah because people pay taxes which In turn the government processes the means of services. Do you notice how the word social is In socialism? Maybe you didn’t notice. If you did notice, what did you think that word meant in this context? Socialism comes down to people ownership. People play taxes therefore they own the services that’s provided from that revenue. An authoritarian government really has nothing to do with the definition in its pure form. Authoritarianism is just a type of socialism as is democracy.

 

[Ame®icano]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. The founders had socialist ideas after all. They basically were leftists. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

 

[regent]

Check out the various forms of socialism, they range from Christian Socialism to Scientific Socialism. Of the sixty or so types of socialism, one is created to lead to communism and that is Marx's Scientific Socialism. So far there has been little evidence that Christian Socialism is communistic. And despite the Republican warnings in 1935. so far, Social Security has not turned America into a Communist nation as we were warned by Republicans.







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so far

 

[Andylusion]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. The founders had socialist ideas after all. They basically were leftists. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

James Madison:

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, SNAP, Obama phones, welfare, public housing, infrastructure spending.....

Do you need me to go on?

Nothing socialist about the founding fathers. They were nearly the exact, and complete opposite.

Lol you do know that people have paid taxes since the beginning right?

For the defense of the country? Of course. There would be no country, without taxation to fund the defense of the country.

Doesn't change the fact that our country wasn't built on socialist principals, or ideals. Instead the exact opposite is what turned this country, the youngest in a world of nations that were hundreds almost thousands of years older, into the lone super power in the world.

It was capitalism that did that, not socialism. This is why you see more socialized countries all over the world, some with vast natural resources, that still can't hold a candle to the US.

By any measure, by every perspective, we are a nation that is only wealthy and a world power today, because of capitalism. Not socialism. Only the most ignorant, and arrogant, could even pretend to claim otherwise.

Again, you people really don’t understand the concept of socialism. It’s a very broad term, but paying taxes regardless of the purpose is SOCIALSM. Moreover, socialism and capitalism while different, are not mutually exclusive ideas. These are ideas that have coexisted since the beginning of this country. I mean my god, what do you think our monetary system is? It’s socialism.

Not really. You could consider it a small part of socialism. Tax is not automatically socialism.

Now I do agree that taxation can be used as a step towards socialism. Obviously taxation by its very nature, makes you more and more enslaved to the state. That's true.

But socialism is either the direct ownership of, or control of, the means of production and distribution.

It should also be mentioned, that you need to also consider the purpose, or motivation of socialism. Saying that taxation equals socialism, can be ridiculous, depending on what the taxes are being used for.

Socialism's stated, but never even remotely achieved goal, is equality. We're going to eliminate the classes, and have everyone live in perfect community.

To that end, you can use tax money to try and equalize people. By taking money from working people, and giving it to non-working people, for example, things can be more 'equal', even if that is entirely immoral.

But there is other things you can do with tax money, that have nothing to do with advancing socialism, but rather the opposite. For example, protecting property rights, by hiring police, and sending thieves, vandals, and burglars to prison.

In that case, tax money is used specifically to make society more capitalist, and less socialist.

Or even just law enforcement in general, benefits everyone. Sending murderers into prison, benefits the poorest of people, as much as the richest. In short, it's a function for the "general welfare". Sound familiar?

So things like courts, and prisons, and national defense, and so such, can all be for the general welfare. Because whether they agree, or realize it, everyone benefits from such things.

But none of those are socialist in nature. The poor, or the rich, neither becomes more 'equal' because of any of those things. None of those things attempt to deal with 'class' based societies, or eliminating inequality (which is immoral anyway).

So saying taxes is socialism.... no, not really. It can be, depending on how you impose the taxes, and on how you spend the taxes But there is nothing that makes taxation itself, inherently socialist.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. The founders had socialist ideas after all. They basically were leftists. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

Billy, why is it so important your healthcare, housing and cash falls on someone else's dime? Are you genuinely disabled, feel U R stuck in a low paying job, just too high?

Trump's more socialist than Obama because of farm aid? You really think in simple terms huh?

 

[EvMetro]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

HOLY ****!
How many different ways can you frame “GIVE ME FREE SHIT”?
Dude look, we totally get it...you’re unable to pay your own way...**** stop embarrassing yourself.

Oh believe me: the rest of us get it. You say this “free shit” thing over and over because it gives you a false sense of manliness and toughness.

Get your eyes off my ******* paycheck

 

[Thinker101]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

HOLY ****!
How many different ways can you frame “GIVE ME FREE SHIT”?
Dude look, we totally get it...you’re unable to pay your own way...**** stop embarrassing yourself.

Oh believe me: the rest of us get it. You say this “free shit” thing over and over because it gives you a false sense of manliness and toughness.

Get your eyes off my ******* paycheck

Not to worry, if Bernie manages to get elected you won't have a paycheck.

 

[Billy000]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. The founders had socialist ideas after all. They basically were leftists. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

James Madison:

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, SNAP, Obama phones, welfare, public housing, infrastructure spending.....

Do you need me to go on?

Nothing socialist about the founding fathers. They were nearly the exact, and complete opposite.

Lol you do know that people have paid taxes since the beginning right?

For the defense of the country? Of course. There would be no country, without taxation to fund the defense of the country.

Doesn't change the fact that our country wasn't built on socialist principals, or ideals. Instead the exact opposite is what turned this country, the youngest in a world of nations that were hundreds almost thousands of years older, into the lone super power in the world.

It was capitalism that did that, not socialism. This is why you see more socialized countries all over the world, some with vast natural resources, that still can't hold a candle to the US.

By any measure, by every perspective, we are a nation that is only wealthy and a world power today, because of capitalism. Not socialism. Only the most ignorant, and arrogant, could even pretend to claim otherwise.

Again, you people really don’t understand the concept of socialism. It’s a very broad term, but paying taxes regardless of the purpose is SOCIALSM. Moreover, socialism and capitalism while different, are not mutually exclusive ideas. These are ideas that have coexisted since the beginning of this country. I mean my god, what do you think our monetary system is? It’s socialism.

Not really. You could consider it a small part of socialism. Tax is not automatically socialism.

Now I do agree that taxation can be used as a step towards socialism. Obviously taxation by its very nature, makes you more and more enslaved to the state. That's true.

But socialism is either the direct ownership of, or control of, the means of production and distribution.

It should also be mentioned, that you need to also consider the purpose, or motivation of socialism. Saying that taxation equals socialism, can be ridiculous, depending on what the taxes are being used for.

Socialism's stated, but never even remotely achieved goal, is equality. We're going to eliminate the classes, and have everyone live in perfect community.

To that end, you can use tax money to try and equalize people. By taking money from working people, and giving it to non-working people, for example, things can be more 'equal', even if that is entirely immoral.

But there is other things you can do with tax money, that have nothing to do with advancing socialism, but rather the opposite. For example, protecting property rights, by hiring police, and sending thieves, vandals, and burglars to prison.

In that case, tax money is used specifically to make society more capitalist, and less socialist.

Or even just law enforcement in general, benefits everyone. Sending murderers into prison, benefits the poorest of people, as much as the richest. In short, it's a function for the "general welfare". Sound familiar?

So things like courts, and prisons, and national defense, and so such, can all be for the general welfare. Because whether they agree, or realize it, everyone benefits from such things.

But none of those are socialist in nature. The poor, or the rich, neither becomes more 'equal' because of any of those things. None of those things attempt to deal with 'class' based societies, or eliminating inequality (which is immoral anyway).

So saying taxes is socialism.... no, not really. It can be, depending on how you impose the taxes, and on how you spend the taxes But there is nothing that makes taxation itself, inherently socialist.

Dude literally every institution you mentioned is socialism. The right seems to have this idea in their minds that if a government institution is “good” like fire, police, or the military it isn’t socialism.

What you are describing of socialism is communism, which granted, is a form of socialism, but it doesn’t somehow summarize the definition. Any program funded (taxation) and utilized by the people is socialism. There’s no getting around that. You thinking a public funded police force is not socialism does not make any goddamn sense just because you think having one is a good idea.

 

[Andylusion]

James Madison:

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, SNAP, Obama phones, welfare, public housing, infrastructure spending.....

Do you need me to go on?

Nothing socialist about the founding fathers. They were nearly the exact, and complete opposite.

Lol you do know that people have paid taxes since the beginning right?

For the defense of the country? Of course. There would be no country, without taxation to fund the defense of the country.

Doesn't change the fact that our country wasn't built on socialist principals, or ideals. Instead the exact opposite is what turned this country, the youngest in a world of nations that were hundreds almost thousands of years older, into the lone super power in the world.

It was capitalism that did that, not socialism. This is why you see more socialized countries all over the world, some with vast natural resources, that still can't hold a candle to the US.

By any measure, by every perspective, we are a nation that is only wealthy and a world power today, because of capitalism. Not socialism. Only the most ignorant, and arrogant, could even pretend to claim otherwise.

Again, you people really don’t understand the concept of socialism. It’s a very broad term, but paying taxes regardless of the purpose is SOCIALSM. Moreover, socialism and capitalism while different, are not mutually exclusive ideas. These are ideas that have coexisted since the beginning of this country. I mean my god, what do you think our monetary system is? It’s socialism.

Not really. You could consider it a small part of socialism. Tax is not automatically socialism.

Now I do agree that taxation can be used as a step towards socialism. Obviously taxation by its very nature, makes you more and more enslaved to the state. That's true.

But socialism is either the direct ownership of, or control of, the means of production and distribution.

It should also be mentioned, that you need to also consider the purpose, or motivation of socialism. Saying that taxation equals socialism, can be ridiculous, depending on what the taxes are being used for.

Socialism's stated, but never even remotely achieved goal, is equality. We're going to eliminate the classes, and have everyone live in perfect community.

To that end, you can use tax money to try and equalize people. By taking money from working people, and giving it to non-working people, for example, things can be more 'equal', even if that is entirely immoral.

But there is other things you can do with tax money, that have nothing to do with advancing socialism, but rather the opposite. For example, protecting property rights, by hiring police, and sending thieves, vandals, and burglars to prison.

In that case, tax money is used specifically to make society more capitalist, and less socialist.

Or even just law enforcement in general, benefits everyone. Sending murderers into prison, benefits the poorest of people, as much as the richest. In short, it's a function for the "general welfare". Sound familiar?

So things like courts, and prisons, and national defense, and so such, can all be for the general welfare. Because whether they agree, or realize it, everyone benefits from such things.

But none of those are socialist in nature. The poor, or the rich, neither becomes more 'equal' because of any of those things. None of those things attempt to deal with 'class' based societies, or eliminating inequality (which is immoral anyway).

So saying taxes is socialism.... no, not really. It can be, depending on how you impose the taxes, and on how you spend the taxes But there is nothing that makes taxation itself, inherently socialist.

Dude literally every institution you mentioned is socialism. The right seems to have this idea in their minds that if a government institution is “good” like fire, police, or the military it isn’t socialism.

What you are describing is communism, which granted, is a form of socialism, but it doesn’t somehow summarize the definition. Any program funded (taxation) and utilized by the people is socialism. There’s no getting around that. You thinking a public funded police force is not socialism does not make any goddamn sense just because you think having one is a good idea.

So in your world...... enforcing the law, is a means of production? How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

.... sigh.... So I think we're done here, since you can't even read the dictionary definition of the word you are using. No point in listening to anything you have to say on the topic, given you can't even copy and paste the dictionary to make yourself look half way informed.

 

[Billy000]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

HOLY ****!
How many different ways can you frame “GIVE ME FREE SHIT”?
Dude look, we totally get it...you’re unable to pay your own way...**** stop embarrassing yourself.

Oh believe me: the rest of us get it. You say this “free shit” thing over and over because it gives you a false sense of manliness and toughness.

Get your eyes off my ******* paycheck

You repubs always have this deluded mindset that your individual income is worth a damn by itself when in reality, the culmination of everyone’s taxed income is how these program are paid for.

 

[Billy000]

Lol you do know that people have paid taxes since the beginning right?

For the defense of the country? Of course. There would be no country, without taxation to fund the defense of the country.

Doesn't change the fact that our country wasn't built on socialist principals, or ideals. Instead the exact opposite is what turned this country, the youngest in a world of nations that were hundreds almost thousands of years older, into the lone super power in the world.

It was capitalism that did that, not socialism. This is why you see more socialized countries all over the world, some with vast natural resources, that still can't hold a candle to the US.

By any measure, by every perspective, we are a nation that is only wealthy and a world power today, because of capitalism. Not socialism. Only the most ignorant, and arrogant, could even pretend to claim otherwise.

Again, you people really don’t understand the concept of socialism. It’s a very broad term, but paying taxes regardless of the purpose is SOCIALSM. Moreover, socialism and capitalism while different, are not mutually exclusive ideas. These are ideas that have coexisted since the beginning of this country. I mean my god, what do you think our monetary system is? It’s socialism.

Not really. You could consider it a small part of socialism. Tax is not automatically socialism.

Now I do agree that taxation can be used as a step towards socialism. Obviously taxation by its very nature, makes you more and more enslaved to the state. That's true.

But socialism is either the direct ownership of, or control of, the means of production and distribution.

It should also be mentioned, that you need to also consider the purpose, or motivation of socialism. Saying that taxation equals socialism, can be ridiculous, depending on what the taxes are being used for.

Socialism's stated, but never even remotely achieved goal, is equality. We're going to eliminate the classes, and have everyone live in perfect community.

To that end, you can use tax money to try and equalize people. By taking money from working people, and giving it to non-working people, for example, things can be more 'equal', even if that is entirely immoral.

But there is other things you can do with tax money, that have nothing to do with advancing socialism, but rather the opposite. For example, protecting property rights, by hiring police, and sending thieves, vandals, and burglars to prison.

In that case, tax money is used specifically to make society more capitalist, and less socialist.

Or even just law enforcement in general, benefits everyone. Sending murderers into prison, benefits the poorest of people, as much as the richest. In short, it's a function for the "general welfare". Sound familiar?

So things like courts, and prisons, and national defense, and so such, can all be for the general welfare. Because whether they agree, or realize it, everyone benefits from such things.

But none of those are socialist in nature. The poor, or the rich, neither becomes more 'equal' because of any of those things. None of those things attempt to deal with 'class' based societies, or eliminating inequality (which is immoral anyway).

So saying taxes is socialism.... no, not really. It can be, depending on how you impose the taxes, and on how you spend the taxes But there is nothing that makes taxation itself, inherently socialist.

Dude literally every institution you mentioned is socialism. The right seems to have this idea in their minds that if a government institution is “good” like fire, police, or the military it isn’t socialism.

What you are describing is communism, which granted, is a form of socialism, but it doesn’t somehow summarize the definition. Any program funded (taxation) and utilized by the people is socialism. There’s no getting around that. You thinking a public funded police force is not socialism does not make any goddamn sense just because you think having one is a good idea.

So in your world...... enforcing the law, is a means of production? How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

.... sigh.... So I think we're done here, since you can't even read the dictionary definition of the word you are using. No point in listening to anything you have to say on the topic, given you can't even copy and paste the dictionary to make yourself look half way informed.

You’re leaving out A key part of the definition which is “social ownership.” As citizens we technically “own” the police force because our taxed income pays for it. We then, in turn, utilize the police. That’s SOCIALISM.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

To them, it’s a completely leftwing ideology when in reality it’s been part of the framework of the country since the beginning. It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism. Socialism itself is a very broad term that can’t be defined simply.

Also, isn’t Trump the bigger socialist than Obama? His bailout to farmers was twice as big as Obama’s bailout. Are republicans going to pretend that isn’t socialism?

HOLY ****!
How many different ways can you frame “GIVE ME FREE SHIT”?
Dude look, we totally get it...you’re unable to pay your own way...**** stop embarrassing yourself.

Oh believe me: the rest of us get it. You say this “free shit” thing over and over because it gives you a false sense of manliness and toughness.

Get your eyes off my ******* paycheck

You repubs always have this deluded mindset that your individual income is worth a damn by itself when in reality, the culmination of everyone’s taxed income is how these program are paid for.

You mean like free healthcare for illegal immigrants programs? free abortion and turn-gender programs?

 

[Andylusion]

For the defense of the country? Of course. There would be no country, without taxation to fund the defense of the country.

Doesn't change the fact that our country wasn't built on socialist principals, or ideals. Instead the exact opposite is what turned this country, the youngest in a world of nations that were hundreds almost thousands of years older, into the lone super power in the world.

It was capitalism that did that, not socialism. This is why you see more socialized countries all over the world, some with vast natural resources, that still can't hold a candle to the US.

By any measure, by every perspective, we are a nation that is only wealthy and a world power today, because of capitalism. Not socialism. Only the most ignorant, and arrogant, could even pretend to claim otherwise.

Again, you people really don’t understand the concept of socialism. It’s a very broad term, but paying taxes regardless of the purpose is SOCIALSM. Moreover, socialism and capitalism while different, are not mutually exclusive ideas. These are ideas that have coexisted since the beginning of this country. I mean my god, what do you think our monetary system is? It’s socialism.

Not really. You could consider it a small part of socialism. Tax is not automatically socialism.

Now I do agree that taxation can be used as a step towards socialism. Obviously taxation by its very nature, makes you more and more enslaved to the state. That's true.

But socialism is either the direct ownership of, or control of, the means of production and distribution.

It should also be mentioned, that you need to also consider the purpose, or motivation of socialism. Saying that taxation equals socialism, can be ridiculous, depending on what the taxes are being used for.

Socialism's stated, but never even remotely achieved goal, is equality. We're going to eliminate the classes, and have everyone live in perfect community.

To that end, you can use tax money to try and equalize people. By taking money from working people, and giving it to non-working people, for example, things can be more 'equal', even if that is entirely immoral.

But there is other things you can do with tax money, that have nothing to do with advancing socialism, but rather the opposite. For example, protecting property rights, by hiring police, and sending thieves, vandals, and burglars to prison.

In that case, tax money is used specifically to make society more capitalist, and less socialist.

Or even just law enforcement in general, benefits everyone. Sending murderers into prison, benefits the poorest of people, as much as the richest. In short, it's a function for the "general welfare". Sound familiar?

So things like courts, and prisons, and national defense, and so such, can all be for the general welfare. Because whether they agree, or realize it, everyone benefits from such things.

But none of those are socialist in nature. The poor, or the rich, neither becomes more 'equal' because of any of those things. None of those things attempt to deal with 'class' based societies, or eliminating inequality (which is immoral anyway).

So saying taxes is socialism.... no, not really. It can be, depending on how you impose the taxes, and on how you spend the taxes But there is nothing that makes taxation itself, inherently socialist.

Dude literally every institution you mentioned is socialism. The right seems to have this idea in their minds that if a government institution is “good” like fire, police, or the military it isn’t socialism.

What you are describing is communism, which granted, is a form of socialism, but it doesn’t somehow summarize the definition. Any program funded (taxation) and utilized by the people is socialism. There’s no getting around that. You thinking a public funded police force is not socialism does not make any goddamn sense just because you think having one is a good idea.

So in your world...... enforcing the law, is a means of production? How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

.... sigh.... So I think we're done here, since you can't even read the dictionary definition of the word you are using. No point in listening to anything you have to say on the topic, given you can't even copy and paste the dictionary to make yourself look half way informed.

You’re leaving out A key part of the definition which is “social ownership.” As citizens we technically “own” the police force because our taxed income pays for it. We then, in turn, utilize the police. That’s SOCIALISM.

How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

“social ownership.”,,,,,, of what.....? "the means of production and distribution of goods"....

Cars, homes.... yeah, again, how much production has the military and police force created? Oh right, they don't produce the goods that build the wealthy of the country. Right.

So.... again... learn to read the dictionary.

 

[satrebil]

It’s also stupid to say that communism and socialism are the same thing when in reality communism is simply an example of socialism.

"The goal of socialism is communism" - Vladimir Lenin

You were saying?

 

[Billy000]

Again, you people really don’t understand the concept of socialism. It’s a very broad term, but paying taxes regardless of the purpose is SOCIALSM. Moreover, socialism and capitalism while different, are not mutually exclusive ideas. These are ideas that have coexisted since the beginning of this country. I mean my god, what do you think our monetary system is? It’s socialism.

Not really. You could consider it a small part of socialism. Tax is not automatically socialism.

Now I do agree that taxation can be used as a step towards socialism. Obviously taxation by its very nature, makes you more and more enslaved to the state. That's true.

But socialism is either the direct ownership of, or control of, the means of production and distribution.

It should also be mentioned, that you need to also consider the purpose, or motivation of socialism. Saying that taxation equals socialism, can be ridiculous, depending on what the taxes are being used for.

Socialism's stated, but never even remotely achieved goal, is equality. We're going to eliminate the classes, and have everyone live in perfect community.

To that end, you can use tax money to try and equalize people. By taking money from working people, and giving it to non-working people, for example, things can be more 'equal', even if that is entirely immoral.

But there is other things you can do with tax money, that have nothing to do with advancing socialism, but rather the opposite. For example, protecting property rights, by hiring police, and sending thieves, vandals, and burglars to prison.

In that case, tax money is used specifically to make society more capitalist, and less socialist.

Or even just law enforcement in general, benefits everyone. Sending murderers into prison, benefits the poorest of people, as much as the richest. In short, it's a function for the "general welfare". Sound familiar?

So things like courts, and prisons, and national defense, and so such, can all be for the general welfare. Because whether they agree, or realize it, everyone benefits from such things.

But none of those are socialist in nature. The poor, or the rich, neither becomes more 'equal' because of any of those things. None of those things attempt to deal with 'class' based societies, or eliminating inequality (which is immoral anyway).

So saying taxes is socialism.... no, not really. It can be, depending on how you impose the taxes, and on how you spend the taxes But there is nothing that makes taxation itself, inherently socialist.

Dude literally every institution you mentioned is socialism. The right seems to have this idea in their minds that if a government institution is “good” like fire, police, or the military it isn’t socialism.

What you are describing is communism, which granted, is a form of socialism, but it doesn’t somehow summarize the definition. Any program funded (taxation) and utilized by the people is socialism. There’s no getting around that. You thinking a public funded police force is not socialism does not make any goddamn sense just because you think having one is a good idea.

So in your world...... enforcing the law, is a means of production? How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

.... sigh.... So I think we're done here, since you can't even read the dictionary definition of the word you are using. No point in listening to anything you have to say on the topic, given you can't even copy and paste the dictionary to make yourself look half way informed.

You’re leaving out A key part of the definition which is “social ownership.” As citizens we technically “own” the police force because our taxed income pays for it. We then, in turn, utilize the police. That’s SOCIALISM.

How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

“social ownership.”,,,,,, of what.....? "the means of production and distribution of goods"....

Cars, homes.... yeah, again, how much production has the military and police force created? Oh right, they don't produce the goods that build the wealthy of the country. Right.

So.... again... learn to read the dictionary.

Lol okay. Here it is:


n

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole

 

[Hossfly]

Not really. You could consider it a small part of socialism. Tax is not automatically socialism.

Now I do agree that taxation can be used as a step towards socialism. Obviously taxation by its very nature, makes you more and more enslaved to the state. That's true.

But socialism is either the direct ownership of, or control of, the means of production and distribution.

It should also be mentioned, that you need to also consider the purpose, or motivation of socialism. Saying that taxation equals socialism, can be ridiculous, depending on what the taxes are being used for.

Socialism's stated, but never even remotely achieved goal, is equality. We're going to eliminate the classes, and have everyone live in perfect community.

To that end, you can use tax money to try and equalize people. By taking money from working people, and giving it to non-working people, for example, things can be more 'equal', even if that is entirely immoral.

But there is other things you can do with tax money, that have nothing to do with advancing socialism, but rather the opposite. For example, protecting property rights, by hiring police, and sending thieves, vandals, and burglars to prison.

In that case, tax money is used specifically to make society more capitalist, and less socialist.

Or even just law enforcement in general, benefits everyone. Sending murderers into prison, benefits the poorest of people, as much as the richest. In short, it's a function for the "general welfare". Sound familiar?

So things like courts, and prisons, and national defense, and so such, can all be for the general welfare. Because whether they agree, or realize it, everyone benefits from such things.

But none of those are socialist in nature. The poor, or the rich, neither becomes more 'equal' because of any of those things. None of those things attempt to deal with 'class' based societies, or eliminating inequality (which is immoral anyway).

So saying taxes is socialism.... no, not really. It can be, depending on how you impose the taxes, and on how you spend the taxes But there is nothing that makes taxation itself, inherently socialist.

Dude literally every institution you mentioned is socialism. The right seems to have this idea in their minds that if a government institution is “good” like fire, police, or the military it isn’t socialism.

What you are describing is communism, which granted, is a form of socialism, but it doesn’t somehow summarize the definition. Any program funded (taxation) and utilized by the people is socialism. There’s no getting around that. You thinking a public funded police force is not socialism does not make any goddamn sense just because you think having one is a good idea.

So in your world...... enforcing the law, is a means of production? How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

.... sigh.... So I think we're done here, since you can't even read the dictionary definition of the word you are using. No point in listening to anything you have to say on the topic, given you can't even copy and paste the dictionary to make yourself look half way informed.

You’re leaving out A key part of the definition which is “social ownership.” As citizens we technically “own” the police force because our taxed income pays for it. We then, in turn, utilize the police. That’s SOCIALISM.

How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

“social ownership.”,,,,,, of what.....? "the means of production and distribution of goods"....

Cars, homes.... yeah, again, how much production has the military and police force created? Oh right, they don't produce the goods that build the wealthy of the country. Right.

So.... again... learn to read the dictionary.

Lol okay. Here it is:


n

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole

I get it now! You mean like it's gonna be in heaven. That explains the whole thing!

 

[Billy000]

Dude literally every institution you mentioned is socialism. The right seems to have this idea in their minds that if a government institution is “good” like fire, police, or the military it isn’t socialism.

What you are describing is communism, which granted, is a form of socialism, but it doesn’t somehow summarize the definition. Any program funded (taxation) and utilized by the people is socialism. There’s no getting around that. You thinking a public funded police force is not socialism does not make any goddamn sense just because you think having one is a good idea.

So in your world...... enforcing the law, is a means of production? How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

.... sigh.... So I think we're done here, since you can't even read the dictionary definition of the word you are using. No point in listening to anything you have to say on the topic, given you can't even copy and paste the dictionary to make yourself look half way informed.

You’re leaving out A key part of the definition which is “social ownership.” As citizens we technically “own” the police force because our taxed income pays for it. We then, in turn, utilize the police. That’s SOCIALISM.

How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

“social ownership.”,,,,,, of what.....? "the means of production and distribution of goods"....

Cars, homes.... yeah, again, how much production has the military and police force created? Oh right, they don't produce the goods that build the wealthy of the country. Right.

So.... again... learn to read the dictionary.

Lol okay. Here it is:


n

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole

I get it now! You mean like it's gonna be in heaven. That explains the whole thing!

Right I get that you believe me to think that, naively, socialism is some utopian, flawless idea because it makes for dismissing me easier, but that’s not the case. Obviously a socialist state can fail. Others,
However, succeed.

 

[Ame®icano]

So in your world...... enforcing the law, is a means of production? How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

.... sigh.... So I think we're done here, since you can't even read the dictionary definition of the word you are using. No point in listening to anything you have to say on the topic, given you can't even copy and paste the dictionary to make yourself look half way informed.

You’re leaving out A key part of the definition which is “social ownership.” As citizens we technically “own” the police force because our taxed income pays for it. We then, in turn, utilize the police. That’s SOCIALISM.

How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

“social ownership.”,,,,,, of what.....? "the means of production and distribution of goods"....

Cars, homes.... yeah, again, how much production has the military and police force created? Oh right, they don't produce the goods that build the wealthy of the country. Right.

So.... again... learn to read the dictionary.

Lol okay. Here it is:


n

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole

I get it now! You mean like it's gonna be in heaven. That explains the whole thing!

Right I get that you believe me to think that, naively, socialism is some utopian, flawless idea because it makes for dismissing me easier, but that’s not the case. Obviously a socialist state can fail. Others,
However, succeed.

"socialist state can fail"

The correct sentence would be "socialist states always fail".

 

[Yarddog]

For the defense of the country? Of course. There would be no country, without taxation to fund the defense of the country.

Doesn't change the fact that our country wasn't built on socialist principals, or ideals. Instead the exact opposite is what turned this country, the youngest in a world of nations that were hundreds almost thousands of years older, into the lone super power in the world.

It was capitalism that did that, not socialism. This is why you see more socialized countries all over the world, some with vast natural resources, that still can't hold a candle to the US.

By any measure, by every perspective, we are a nation that is only wealthy and a world power today, because of capitalism. Not socialism. Only the most ignorant, and arrogant, could even pretend to claim otherwise.

Again, you people really don’t understand the concept of socialism. It’s a very broad term, but paying taxes regardless of the purpose is SOCIALSM. Moreover, socialism and capitalism while different, are not mutually exclusive ideas. These are ideas that have coexisted since the beginning of this country. I mean my god, what do you think our monetary system is? It’s socialism.

Not really. You could consider it a small part of socialism. Tax is not automatically socialism.

Now I do agree that taxation can be used as a step towards socialism. Obviously taxation by its very nature, makes you more and more enslaved to the state. That's true.

But socialism is either the direct ownership of, or control of, the means of production and distribution.

It should also be mentioned, that you need to also consider the purpose, or motivation of socialism. Saying that taxation equals socialism, can be ridiculous, depending on what the taxes are being used for.

Socialism's stated, but never even remotely achieved goal, is equality. We're going to eliminate the classes, and have everyone live in perfect community.

To that end, you can use tax money to try and equalize people. By taking money from working people, and giving it to non-working people, for example, things can be more 'equal', even if that is entirely immoral.

But there is other things you can do with tax money, that have nothing to do with advancing socialism, but rather the opposite. For example, protecting property rights, by hiring police, and sending thieves, vandals, and burglars to prison.

In that case, tax money is used specifically to make society more capitalist, and less socialist.

Or even just law enforcement in general, benefits everyone. Sending murderers into prison, benefits the poorest of people, as much as the richest. In short, it's a function for the "general welfare". Sound familiar?

So things like courts, and prisons, and national defense, and so such, can all be for the general welfare. Because whether they agree, or realize it, everyone benefits from such things.

But none of those are socialist in nature. The poor, or the rich, neither becomes more 'equal' because of any of those things. None of those things attempt to deal with 'class' based societies, or eliminating inequality (which is immoral anyway).

So saying taxes is socialism.... no, not really. It can be, depending on how you impose the taxes, and on how you spend the taxes But there is nothing that makes taxation itself, inherently socialist.

Dude literally every institution you mentioned is socialism. The right seems to have this idea in their minds that if a government institution is “good” like fire, police, or the military it isn’t socialism.

What you are describing is communism, which granted, is a form of socialism, but it doesn’t somehow summarize the definition. Any program funded (taxation) and utilized by the people is socialism. There’s no getting around that. You thinking a public funded police force is not socialism does not make any goddamn sense just because you think having one is a good idea.

So in your world...... enforcing the law, is a means of production? How many homes have been built by the police force again?

How many civilian cars carrying people to work, have been built by the military?

.... sigh.... So I think we're done here, since you can't even read the dictionary definition of the word you are using. No point in listening to anything you have to say on the topic, given you can't even copy and paste the dictionary to make yourself look half way informed.

You’re leaving out A key part of the definition which is “social ownership.” As citizens we technically “own” the police force because our taxed income pays for it. We then, in turn, utilize the police. That’s SOCIALISM.

For the most part we do not have an economic system that is Socialist, though there are some aspects. A police department and fire department are created for the social good, and officers are paid by the public because it is a necessity. But that in itself does not say that we have a Socialist economic system where the government controls the decisions of private businesses. Although there are efforts going on by the left to do so. As AOC put it so well.... we dont want your money, we want your power. That is a Socialist mindset of Government, and that is what we reject.