I didn't vote for long term tariffs.

[Captain Caveman]

or use tariffs they way they were supposed to be used, and as they are used by other countries AGAINST US.

Tariffs have a limited effect in this day and age. If a country makes itself expensive to trade with, countries look elsewhere. In the ever evolving world, it's a fine balance.

 

[martybegan]

Tariffs have a limited effect in this day and age. If a country makes itself expensive to trade with, countries look elsewhere. In the ever evolving world, it's a fine balance.

I'd rather try it and have to deal with the repercussions than let the status quo continue.

If you have read some of my previous posts, I know that some of what Trump will do will cause some chaos, but we need some chaos at this point.

This coming from someone who always plays a Paladin or a Paladin equivalent in online and tabletop roleplaying games.

Lawful Good doesn't mean Lawful Nice.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I'd rather try it and have to deal with the repercussions than let the status quo continue.

If you have read some of my previous posts, I know that some of what Trump will do will cause some chaos, but we need some chaos at this point.

This coming from someone who always plays a Paladin or a Paladin equivalent in online and tabletop roleplaying games.

Lawful Good doesn't mean Lawful Nice.

Problem is that Trump character roll was Chaotic Evil. And to make matters word he dump his Wisdom state to 0.

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[martybegan]

Problem is that Trump character roll was Chaotic Evil. And to make matters word he dump his Wisdom state to 0.

WW

Chaotic Neutral at worst.

You act like you are under the effects of Feeblemind.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I'd rather try it and have to deal with the repercussions than let the status quo continue.

If you have read some of my previous posts, I know that some of what Trump will do will cause some chaos, but we need some chaos at this point.

This coming from someone who always plays a Paladin or a Paladin equivalent in online and tabletop roleplaying games.

Lawful Good doesn't mean Lawful Nice.

Why should I start speaking with and forming a friendship with a different neighbour if our current relationship is ok? So if you upset the apple cart, don't get upset if I go elsewhere.

If America believes current trade is not beneficial, why did they allow it? And Trump blames other countries

 

[martybegan]

Why should I start speaking with and forming a friendship with a different neighbour if our current relationship is ok? So if you upset the apple cart, don't get upset if I go elsewhere.

If America believes current trade is not beneficial, why did they allow it? And Trump blames other countries

Because it's been the pattern that we are "the big old USA" and we don't respond to the petty trade restrictions other countries place on us, or to large trade imbalances.

Trump wants to change that. I agree with him. It's a simple as that.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Because it's been the pattern that we are "the big old USA" and we don't respond to the petty trade restrictions other countries place on us, or to large trade imbalances.

Trump wants to change that. I agree with him. It's a simple as that.

I'll be surprised if he gets the result that he's expecting. I'm UK, no trade agreement with the US, I would like to keep that the same due to the standard of US food. I would also match any tariffs the US decides to take. Plus, I would be looking to form trade agreements with Australia etc..

America has become too erratic and volatile for my liken. If the US thinks it'll wine over, they have a poor perception.

 

[martybegan]

I'll be surprised if he gets the result that he's expecting. I'm UK, no trade agreement with the US, I would like to keep that the same due to the standard of US food. I would also match any tariffs the US decides to take. Plus, I would be looking to form trade agreements with Australia etc..

America has become too erratic and volatile for my liken. If the US thinks it'll wine over, they have a poor perception.

That's your opinion.

But you also live on a net food import island, and that will get worse if you keep a labor government in power.

The US is a food exporter, and that gives us plenty of leverage.

 

[westwall]

BS. The economy has been recovering for a year. Not because of anything Biden did. WE THE PEOPLE are the ones who are doing this. We did it when Obama was leaving office. Just like all the other times the economy recovered.

Those are facts you can shove up your RINO supporting ass.

God damn you RINO's. You're making a mockery out of the Republican party. Completely abandoning fiscal conservatism. You're no better than the democrats.

Oh? How was the economy reviving? Be specific.

 

[Godboy]

I voted for Trump to lower prices. I voted for him not to cause trade wars with other countries. Now we're all going to see price increases.

I hope those willing to endure the economic hardship so we can stick it to other countries can justify to me why this was necessary. Why did we need these tariffs when we could have done something to ease the pain here in America?

Relax. This will last a month at most. It will likely be resolved MUCH sooner. Dont get all weak kneed on us on day 1.

We lose all leverage the moment that Americans freak out about the tariffs. Just let Trump do his thing. Have a little faith.

 

[berg80]

‘He Finally Shot the Hostage’: Trump’s Trade War Is a Brutal Reality Check​

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/04/trump-trade-war-tariffs-recession-00211112

 

[Captain Caveman]

That's your opinion.

But you also live on a net food import island, and that will get worse if you keep a labor government in power.

The US is a food exporter, and that gives us plenty of leverage.

The weather in the UK doesn't allow the best food growing conditions. Fingers crossed with climate change though.

And likewise, it's your opinion.

 

[martybegan]

The weather in the UK doesn't allow the best food growing conditions. Fingers crossed with climate change though.

And likewise, it's your opinion.

The arable land space vs. population is the other issue.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The arable land space vs. population is the other issue.

When I drive about, I wonder why the fields are not full of crops and animals. Maybe it's about time we had a government that's interested in supporting farmers.

Folk just go to supermarkets; greenhouses, gardens, and allotments are a dying breed.

 

[BlackSand]

You're talking about a laissez faire type of system, which I recall you making clear elsewhere around here, where the market tells the government what to do instead of the other way around where the government tells the market what to do, and I assume the dragon lady either does not understand the fundamental premise and concept of that model, or is completely opposed to it. She is Canadian after all. And that's not a kick in the nuts, per se, it's just the model which she lives under.

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Okay ... Dragonlady ... I may smack her around a little ... But it's not even all her fault.
She doesn't understand what she doesn't understand ... And she certainly has limited exposure to any kind of free market.
She'll never really read what you are posting ... Unless she can adapt it to her understanding ...
And then turn it into her agenda, mantra, or narrative ... With only limited knowledge of what you're talking about.

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A laissez faire attitude towards a market is what allows it to remain free ... And the money or commerce ...
Chooses the winners or losers ... And keeps the influences 'in house' and closer to the market ...
Whether it be producers, laborers or consumers.

When the government is introduced ... They don't add anything to that part of the equation ...
Unless they are just a consumer ... And the government either raises or lowers the demand for the product ...
Or the standards by which it is produced.

Otherwise ... Any activity by the government in the market ... Through regulations or policies to enhance the market ...
Or to enhance the product and/or its conditions of production ... Is essentially their ability to pick the winners and losers ...
And they literally 'fix' the market ... When they put their thumb on the scale.

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As I mentioned before ... Whatever the consumers, producers or laborers may gain ... Is no longer within their control.
The money in the market doesn't solely control anything either ... Because the government has bottomless pockets ...
And the force of government behind it.

In light of that ... You are going to end up with two things for sure.
More avenues of corruption are one thing and self-explanatory ... Because a player that is not bound to the market ...
Is starting to pick winners and losers ... And they really aren't accountable for what they do or the mistakes they make.

The second thing that will start to come around ... Are 'previously uninvested players'.
They are not producers, laborers or customers ... They simply recognize that the government has 'fixed' the market ...
And they are going to capitalize on that ... Because the government picking winning and losers ...
Allows them to 'hedge their bets'.

And ... That's how you end up with major players in a market ... Who aren't dependent on the market itself ...
End up corrupting both the market and the government ... Because their money isn't directly attached to the market ...
Except in whatever ways ... They can manipulate that through the government ... That is 'fixing' the market.

The shame of it all is the stupid people that keep asking the government to do it ...
With the foolish idea they can trust the government ... Not to allow the corruption ...
They will in turn most certainly introduce to the market ... And bitch about the rich people controlling it all.

It's like ... What the fuck did you think was going to happen ...

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Thing is the market always decides in the end. Always. Doesn't matter how much it gets distorted by through government/cental banks actions, the market itself always decides in the end. Not government. This is the default nature of prosperity.

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Hmm ... I hate to say it ... But that's not entirely accurate ... If you don't include how that happens.
The only way a market can escape controls established outside the market ... And not directly accountable within the market ...
Is to 'collapse' and 'correct' itself ... And everyone loses when that happens.

When the producers, laborers and customers feel that pain ... They will most likely ask the government to 'fix' it for them ...
And we already know what happens when they do that ... It's a vicious cycle ... And there are sharks in the water ...

They may do it a little better the second time ... But that will eventually erode ...
And we'll end up back where we were.

If people don't keep a laissez faire attitude ... Or understand to just leave it alone ...
And let it live or die of its own volition ... It'll never be a free market again.

That's not even counting everything the government will try to fix ... Not directly connected to the market.
Labor and Unions ... They in turn dump money into the government in attempts to influence the market.
Producers ... They dump money into the government in attempts to influence the market.
The Consumers ... They dump money and support to Empower the government ... To protect them.
And the Rich ... They'll just keep getting richer hedging their bets ...
Dumping money and influence into the government ... That everyone one else is counting on ...

Shit ... Economics at a base level ... Is as much a study of human behavior as the economy.

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Smartest thing they could have done. Once you let the international regulators and masters of economic distortion into the mix, basically international economic hitmen if you ask me, you're effectively shackling yourself. Obviously banks are a necessary mechanism, but that's as far as it should go. If we're gonna let the market tell the government what to do instead of the other way around.

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Some of that is truly unavoidable ... When the previous owners completely divest in what remains.
Part of the decision by the British in Belize when they gave it up ... Was the crumbling infrastructure ...
Compounded by crime ... And the loss in faith by the People.

They took the majority of the money ... And likewise, their influence in the markets with them ...
Leaving Belize with a big problem.

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You cannot start with little and failing ... And develop anything with nothing.
They had to get in bed with some banks ... At terrible rates ... Or start messing around with the International Monetary Fund.

The latter of those options ... Is less favorable than one would think ... Because that's just more government ...
And farther out of your control ... So, Belize only has one Agreement with them.
I won't go into what that is ... Because it is minimal in impact ... And is more just a basic function of money/currency ...
And a basic governmental structure for controlling GDP and Revenues ... Allowing Stability and Credit.

They had a fresh start ... And needed to borrow some money ... Because they didn't want to end up like their neighbors ...
In Guatemala and Honduras ... So, they funded critical infrastructure ... In Commercial Development and Law Enforcement.
They kicked out or killed a lot of folks in the drug market ... And established a foothold for commercial investments.

Loan agreements with Banks ... Require them to meet certain standards ... But other than that ...
Some markets are freer than the others ... And most appropriately because they provide better revenues that way.

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[TrumpMAGA88]

I'm hoping rather than just rating my post "fake news" they can explain why it's fake news. I'm hoping someone can justify to me why we need to pay higher prices?

I VOTED FOR THE LONG TERM SUCESS OF AMERICAN PRODUCTION, plus I'd pay whatever it took just to see dims like you cry

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Only 3 years and 10 more months of Trump you loser. Do you plan to be a whining little bitch all day long for the entirety of it?

You're quite a laugh, trump has and continues to constantly be a whining little bitch every day by repeatedly complaining about Biden this, Democrats that. He can barely get a sentence out without blaming somebody for something.

What about when Vance wins in 2028 and 2032?

Like trump won in 2020 you mean?

Will you just go completely off the deep end being such a pessimistic little bitch boy for 12 straight years? Probably not good for your blood pressure but I’m not a doctor so I could be wrong.

No worry, I'll ask RFK for advice.

 

[krichton]

I think the OP is the classic example of the average Trump voter, voting purely with their heart and emotions and not much else. He heard everything Trump said and promised but never actually listened once. The rest of us heard and listened to what Trump said, and we were all like, wtf?! Even if Trump backs off from the tariffs he'll just look like the weakest and most impotent president ever, if you weren't already convinced when he let one of our allies out to dry to our lifelong enemy.

 

[Thinker101]

I voted for Trump to lower prices. I voted for him not to cause trade wars with other countries. Now we're all going to see price increases.

I hope those willing to endure the economic hardship so we can stick it to other countries can justify to me why this was necessary. Why did we need these tariffs when we could have done something to ease the pain here in America?

Don't you worry, the tariffs are "transitory".

 

[krichton]

Relax. This will last a month at most. It will likely be resolved MUCH sooner. Dont get all weak kneed on us on day 1.

We lose all leverage the moment that Americans freak out about the tariffs. Just let Trump do his thing. Have a little faith.

Faith in what? When he tariffed China the first time, all he did was take nearly 100% of all the proceeds from that and paid off angry farmers lol. Talk about being completely feckless.