I asked ChatGPT what would happen if billionaires paid the same rate of taxes as middle class

It is idiotic to believe that.

I said nothing like that.

You must not realize what a jealous loser you sound like.

Trump has succeeded spectacularly.

If you want to have a debate in which you take the side that we must follow all Biblical teachings to the letter, while I oppose that stance, I'm willing. If so, be sure to let me know what version of the Bible.

But, I suspect, you cherry pick verses and hope someone thinks it makes you look smart.
How many times has Trump's business declared bankruptcy? I mean it is a legit condemnation. How many people has he shafted? Is that how you determine success, how many people you can **** over?

I mean let me lay this out there for you. Jealous, not hardly, more confused and disappointed than anything. I mean you have no idea. I was born, like Trump, into real wealth. But, unlike Trump, I understand that wealth comes with responsibility. Take your pick, hundred of acres of some of the most sought after land in the country, from a King's Grant no less. Oil wells, not one, not even a dozen, but a couple dozen, generating thousands of dollars in revenue each and every month.

But that comes with a responsibility, something that was taught to me from day one. Sadly, Trump never got that lesson.
 
First of all, there is nothing in the Constitution that prevents a tax on wealth. I mean try again. Are property taxes unconstitutional? How come the estate tax still exists, it is on wealth, is it unconstitutional? I mean has anyone even attempted to make that argument in the courts. Damn son, turn your brain on.

And no, we don't need a private component to Social Security, we need a real death benefit. The way the system is now, well if you are poor die when your kids are young. If your wealthy, then live as long as possible. Does that not seem FUBARED to you? Because have no doubt, that is how the system works.

And I got to ask. Wealthy dude sells his stock. What does he do with the profits. He buys more stock. In God's name, tell me, how the **** does that create jobs? I mean get a grip hoss.

Look, it is really simple. I wouldn't tax the wealthy one cent, if they worked to make more pie. But they don't and I am not sure why, unless it is just sheer laziness. They work to take more of the pie that is already there. **** that. Hell, that is not trickle down, that is trickle up. And I really don't like the whole trickle down thing. It is called horse and sparrow. You feed the horse, the wealthy, then the sparrows can come get some food digging threw the shit of the horse. Now, evidently, the wealthy don't even shit.

First of all, there is nothing in the Constitution that prevents a tax on wealth.

You're ass backwards, as usual.

There needs to be something in the Constitution for the fed government to do it.

That's why it took the 16th Amendment for an income tax to be allowed.

And I got to ask. Wealthy dude sells his stock. What does he do with the profits.

Whatever he wants.

In God's name, tell me, how the **** does that create jobs?

How does a rich guy buying something create jobs? DURR

I wouldn't tax the wealthy one cent, if they worked to make more pie.

No tax on Elon? Nice!

They work to take more of the pie that is already there.

Who does that? How?

And I really don't like the whole trickle down thing.

Me neither, but supply-side economics is awesome! Works every time.
 
Unfortunately, moneyocracy or fake democracy has governed America since those( stupid )Supreme Court rulings. It seems to be America's destiny. 😑

👉 If U.S. billionaires paid taxes at the same rate as the middle class—roughly 15% to 22%—instead of benefiting from current strategies that allow them to pay an effective tax rate as low as 3.4% on their wealth growth, the government could raise hundreds of billions of dollars in additional annual revenue. For example, data shows that the top 25 billionaires' wealth increased by $401 billion from 2014 to 2018, but they paid only $13.6 billion in federal income taxes (an effective rate of 3.4%). If taxed at a 20% rate on that growth, they would have paid about $80 billion instead1.

This additional revenue could be used to:

• Expand healthcare programs like Medicare and Medicaid, potentially moving toward universal coverage.

• Fund universal pre-kindergarten and free community college.

• Invest in infrastructure repair and renewable energy initiatives.

• Reduce the national debt instead of allowing it to grow1.

However, while taxing billionaires more heavily could significantly increase federal revenue, experts agree it would not fully solve the national debt crisis. The total wealth of U.S. billionaires is estimated at around $5.3 trillion, whereas the national debt exceeds $33 trillion. Even if every billionaire’s wealth were taxed heavily, it would cover only a fraction of the debt2. Moreover, aggressive tax hikes on the wealthy could slow economic growth, potentially reducing overall tax revenues by trillions over a decade3.

Therefore, while equalizing tax rates between billionaires and the middle class could generate substantial funds and help reduce inequality, it is not a standalone solution to the national debt. A comprehensive approach involving spending reforms, economic growth strategies, and broader tax policy changes would be necessary to stabilize and reduce the debt sustainably35.

In summary:

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This analysis highlights that the core issue lies in how the tax system treats wealth versus labor income, with billionaires often deferring or minimizing taxes on asset appreciation through legal strategies, while middle-class workers pay taxes immediately on wages1. Addressing this structural disparity could transform fiscal policy and social equity but would require careful implementation. :)

Disclaimer: AI models may exhibit biases and inaccuracies due to the data they are trained on. Users are advised to exercise discretion and critical thinking when interpreting AI-generated content. The developers of this AI assume no liability for decisions made based on its outputs.

sources:

1. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/asked-chatgpt-happen-billionaires-paid-170130161.html
2.
3. Taxing the Rich Could Raise Trillions — But That Alone Won’t Fix Our Fiscal Crisis
4. https://thehill.com/opinion/5322845-billionaire-governance-taxes-inequality/
5. Worried About the Debt? Tax the Rich
6. What if Billionaires Paid More in Taxes?
7. The Super-Rich Pay Super-Amounts of Taxes, New Treasury Report Finds
8. The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax
9. Dodging Taxes & the Truth: Rebutting Misinformation About the Biden-Harris Billionaires Minimum Income Tax - Americans For Tax Fairness
10. . https://ddd.uab.cat/pub/worpap/2017/236053/jouecoissa2019m07d03v53n03p879iENG.pdf
11. https://academic.oup.com/ooec/article/3/Supplement_1/i1133/7708054
12. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/21582440221114324
13. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13501763.2021.1992485
14. https://spssi.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1111/sipr.12065
15. https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv...ve-effects-of-tax-and-spending-shocks-div.pdf
16. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23311975.2018.1526362
17. https://academic.oup.com/sf/advance-article-pdf/doi/10.1093/sf/soad133/52207865/soad133.pdf
18. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1510593/000141057825000871/xnet-20241231x20f.htm
19. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1069258/000106925825000008/ktos-20241229.htm
 
Unfortunately, moneyocracy or fake democracy has governed America since those( stupid )Supreme Court rulings. It seems to be America's destiny. 😑

👉 If U.S. billionaires paid taxes at the same rate as the middle class—roughly 15% to 22%—instead of benefiting from current strategies that allow them to pay an effective tax rate as low as 3.4% on their wealth growth, the government could raise hundreds of billions of dollars in additional annual revenue. For example, data shows that the top 25 billionaires' wealth increased by $401 billion from 2014 to 2018, but they paid only $13.6 billion in federal income taxes (an effective rate of 3.4%). If taxed at a 20% rate on that growth, they would have paid about $80 billion instead1.

This additional revenue could be used to:

• Expand healthcare programs like Medicare and Medicaid, potentially moving toward universal coverage.

• Fund universal pre-kindergarten and free community college.

• Invest in infrastructure repair and renewable energy initiatives.

• Reduce the national debt instead of allowing it to grow1.

However, while taxing billionaires more heavily could significantly increase federal revenue, experts agree it would not fully solve the national debt crisis. The total wealth of U.S. billionaires is estimated at around $5.3 trillion, whereas the national debt exceeds $33 trillion. Even if every billionaire’s wealth were taxed heavily, it would cover only a fraction of the debt2. Moreover, aggressive tax hikes on the wealthy could slow economic growth, potentially reducing overall tax revenues by trillions over a decade3.

Therefore, while equalizing tax rates between billionaires and the middle class could generate substantial funds and help reduce inequality, it is not a standalone solution to the national debt. A comprehensive approach involving spending reforms, economic growth strategies, and broader tax policy changes would be necessary to stabilize and reduce the debt sustainably35.

In summary:

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This analysis highlights that the core issue lies in how the tax system treats wealth versus labor income, with billionaires often deferring or minimizing taxes on asset appreciation through legal strategies, while middle-class workers pay taxes immediately on wages1. Addressing this structural disparity could transform fiscal policy and social equity but would require careful implementation. :)

Disclaimer: AI models may exhibit biases and inaccuracies due to the data they are trained on. Users are advised to exercise discretion and critical thinking when interpreting AI-generated content. The developers of this AI assume no liability for decisions made based on its outputs.

sources:

1. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/asked-chatgpt-happen-billionaires-paid-170130161.html
2.
3. Taxing the Rich Could Raise Trillions — But That Alone Won’t Fix Our Fiscal Crisis
4. https://thehill.com/opinion/5322845-billionaire-governance-taxes-inequality/
5. Worried About the Debt? Tax the Rich
6. What if Billionaires Paid More in Taxes?
7. The Super-Rich Pay Super-Amounts of Taxes, New Treasury Report Finds
8. The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax
9. Dodging Taxes & the Truth: Rebutting Misinformation About the Biden-Harris Billionaires Minimum Income Tax - Americans For Tax Fairness
10. . https://ddd.uab.cat/pub/worpap/2017/236053/jouecoissa2019m07d03v53n03p879iENG.pdf
11. https://academic.oup.com/ooec/article/3/Supplement_1/i1133/7708054
12. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/21582440221114324
13. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13501763.2021.1992485
14. https://spssi.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1111/sipr.12065
15. https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv...ve-effects-of-tax-and-spending-shocks-div.pdf
16. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23311975.2018.1526362
17. https://academic.oup.com/sf/advance-article-pdf/doi/10.1093/sf/soad133/52207865/soad133.pdf
18. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1510593/000141057825000871/xnet-20241231x20f.htm
19. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1069258/000106925825000008/ktos-20241229.htm


instead of benefiting from current strategies that allow them to pay an effective tax rate as low as 3.4% on their wealth growth

The tax on wealth growth is 0%.
 
Great.

So now we can pay the interest on the debt you morons (meaning you and the centrists GOP....and that huge asshole GWB) had no problem promulgating.

And we are still doing it.

Biden ran huge deficits. However, he was paying a lot more in interest. His last deficit was 1.7 trillion. Over a trillin in interest.

Suck on it.


$28T since the trillion dollar black magic Muslim installed his commee butt-buddies. Do the math.
 
Everything is taxed. Billionaires pay what is requried. You want more from them? Find out what they consume and tax it higher. Guaranteed they dont pull paychecks that you think you can tax $1B a day paychecks you dumb oxyen.

Highest tax eate 40%? Make it 75%. They will laugh as your revenue does not increase dumb cattle. 20%*GDP is the sweet spot max collectible.
 
How many times has Trump's business declared bankruptcy? I mean it is a legit condemnation. How many people has he shafted? Is that how you determine success, how many people you can **** over?

I mean let me lay this out there for you. Jealous, not hardly, more confused and disappointed than anything. I mean you have no idea. I was born, like Trump, into real wealth. But, unlike Trump, I understand that wealth comes with responsibility. Take your pick, hundred of acres of some of the most sought after land in the country, from a King's Grant no less. Oil wells, not one, not even a dozen, but a couple dozen, generating thousands of dollars in revenue each and every month.

But that comes with a responsibility, something that was taught to me from day one. Sadly, Trump never got that lesson.

You're dodging.

Just answer this question: You said you wanted the tax system to be a level playing field. Does that mean a flat tax? If not, why not?

If you are afraid to answer, why?
 
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First of all, there is nothing in the Constitution that prevents a tax on wealth.

You're ass backwards, as usual.

There needs to be something in the Constitution for the fed government to do it.

That's why it took the 16th Amendment for an income tax to be allowed.
You mean like this,

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes,Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and providefor the common Defence and general Welfare of the UnitedStates; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

You can attempt to argue that section 9, clause 4 would prevent a wealth tax but structured properly, as an indirect tax, a wealth tax would be constitutional, just like there would be no problem adapting a VAT.


And I got to ask. Wealthy dude sells his stock. What does he do with the profits.

Whatever he wants.

In God's name, tell me, how the **** does that create jobs?

How does a rich guy buying something create jobs? DURR
This is not difficult to understand. Yes, if the wealthy dude sells his stocks and buys a new yacht, sure, that creates jobs. But if he sells his stock and buys another stock with it, what jobs are being created, the traders?
I wouldn't tax the wealthy one cent, if they worked to make more pie.

No tax on Elon? Nice!

They work to take more of the pie that is already there.

Who does that? How?
I have attempted to explain rent-seeking to you numerous times. It just seems to fly over your head. The classic example is political donations, especially through dark money. Another good example is patent evergreening by pharmaceutical companies. You can go ahead and look up what that means. But lets go with a real world example.

Ingles is a grocery chain based out of Asheville, NC. They dominate the Asheville market for one simple reason, they buy up all available suitable properties in which a competitor can build. Go east about sixty miles and you get to Hickory, NC, where I call home. Lowe's Foods is owned by Alex Lee, they are based in Hickory. In a stretch that is not more than ten miles long, Highway 127, there are four Lowe's supermarkets. There were two independent grocery stores, Alex Lee bought them and converted them to Lowe's. Another was a former Harris Teeter, Alex Lee got that in a mind-boggling deal the entailed trading locations. Harris Teeter got the Charlotte market, Lowe's got Hickory. All the Lowe's stores in Charlotte became Harris Teeters, there are no Lowe's in Charlotte, they have only recently ventured into nearby markets. There are no Harris Teeters anywhere near Hickory.

That is rent seeking. Spending, not to produce more, but to take more of the business that is already there through the additional profits enabled by a near monopoly position. If competition would result in a price of five dollars a pound for ground beef, but the monopolistic position results in six dollars a pound ground beef, that extra dollar is what is called "rents"

Stiglitz talks a lot about rent seeking behavior. I will leave you to do the research. But take this away, A free market is not a market free from government regulation. That was not what Adam Smith was referring to, he openly states that there is a place for government in a functioning demand economy. A free market is free from rents.
And I really don't like the whole trickle down thing.

Me neither, but supply-side economics is awesome! Works every time.
No it doesn't. Supply side never flippin works. Say's Law is not only dead, it is stupid. Say's Law says the reason horse buggy making companies went under is because they didn't make enough buggies. A demand economy is called a demand economy for a damn reason. The alternative is a command economy, yes, Communism. The whole supply side bullshit is just one of the multitude of ways the wealthy have manipulated the gullible.
 
You're dodging.

Just answer this question: You said you wanted the tax system to be a level playing field. Does that mean a flat tax? If not, why not?

If you are afraid to answer, why?
No, a flat tax is stupid. A level playing field is when all income is treated the same. Unearned income is taxed less than earned income. That is not a level playing field. The FICA tax cap means income above a certain level is treated differently than incomes at lower levels, that is not a level playing field. The pass through exemption that I mentioned, it treats income from a partnership or LLC differently than income from other sources, that is not a level playing field. How is this hard to understand?
 
You mean like this,

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes,Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and providefor the common Defence and general Welfare of the UnitedStates; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

You can attempt to argue that section 9, clause 4 would prevent a wealth tax but structured properly, as an indirect tax, a wealth tax would be constitutional, just like there would be no problem adapting a VAT.



This is not difficult to understand. Yes, if the wealthy dude sells his stocks and buys a new yacht, sure, that creates jobs. But if he sells his stock and buys another stock with it, what jobs are being created, the traders?

I have attempted to explain rent-seeking to you numerous times. It just seems to fly over your head. The classic example is political donations, especially through dark money. Another good example is patent evergreening by pharmaceutical companies. You can go ahead and look up what that means. But lets go with a real world example.

Ingles is a grocery chain based out of Asheville, NC. They dominate the Asheville market for one simple reason, they buy up all available suitable properties in which a competitor can build. Go east about sixty miles and you get to Hickory, NC, where I call home. Lowe's Foods is owned by Alex Lee, they are based in Hickory. In a stretch that is not more than ten miles long, Highway 127, there are four Lowe's supermarkets. There were two independent grocery stores, Alex Lee bought them and converted them to Lowe's. Another was a former Harris Teeter, Alex Lee got that in a mind-boggling deal the entailed trading locations. Harris Teeter got the Charlotte market, Lowe's got Hickory. All the Lowe's stores in Charlotte became Harris Teeters, there are no Lowe's in Charlotte, they have only recently ventured into nearby markets. There are no Harris Teeters anywhere near Hickory.

That is rent seeking. Spending, not to produce more, but to take more of the business that is already there through the additional profits enabled by a near monopoly position. If competition would result in a price of five dollars a pound for ground beef, but the monopolistic position results in six dollars a pound ground beef, that extra dollar is what is called "rents"

Stiglitz talks a lot about rent seeking behavior. I will leave you to do the research. But take this away, A free market is not a market free from government regulation. That was not what Adam Smith was referring to, he openly states that there is a place for government in a functioning demand economy. A free market is free from rents.

No it doesn't. Supply side never flippin works. Say's Law is not only dead, it is stupid. Say's Law says the reason horse buggy making companies went under is because they didn't make enough buggies. A demand economy is called a demand economy for a damn reason. The alternative is a command economy, yes, Communism. The whole supply side bullshit is just one of the multitude of ways the wealthy have manipulated the gullible.

shall be uniform throughout the United States;

And that's your roadblock.

That is rent seeking. Spending, not to produce more, but to take more of the business that is already there through the additional profits enabled by a near monopoly position.

Every example of rent-seeking I've seen involved bribing government.
Did those stores get government to stifle competition? Are they allowed to
do something their competitors cannot? Are their competitors forced to do something
that they are exempted from?

That is rent seeking. Spending, not to produce more, but to take more of the business that is already there through the additional profits enabled by a near monopoly position.

No other grocery options available in those areas? How much of total sales does Lowes capture?
How much of total sales does Teeters capture?

No it doesn't. Supply side never flippin works.

It works every time.

Say's Law says the reason horse buggy making companies went under is because they didn't make enough buggies.

It doesn't say that.
 
No, a flat tax is stupid.
Brilliant argument . . .
A level playing field is when all income is treated the same. Unearned income is taxed less than earned income. That is not a level playing field. The FICA tax cap means income above a certain level is treated differently than incomes at lower levels, that is not a level playing field.
No, it isn't. But you do not advocate level playing field if you do not want a flat tax.
The pass through exemption that I mentioned, it treats income from a partnership or LLC differently than income from other sources, that is not a level playing field. How is this hard to understand?
It is not a level playing field. Nor do you advocate one.

If the owner of a business that has become successful and grown by serving its customers well is taxed at fifty percent, while the owner of a new start up competitor is taxed at ten percent, that is not a level playing field.

Lower tax brackets for some people and higher tax brackets for other people does not treat all income the same. If the rule was whites pay twenty percent of income, while blacks pay forty percent income, would you say all income is treated the same, so long as it included Capital Gains as income, and there were no pass through exemption?

Of course not, because it would not treat all income the same. Neither does basing the percentage owed on the gross income level. A flat tax would treat all income the same.
 
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How is the income treated differently than a sole proprietorship?
Sole proprietorship can also use the pass through exemption. But that is still treating income differently. Do W2 workers get a twenty percent deduction? The playing field is not level.
 
Sole proprietorship can also use the pass through exemption. But that is still treating income differently. Do W2 workers get a twenty percent deduction? The playing field is not level.

Sole proprietorship can also use the pass through exemption.

Yes, taxed at the individual level. Just like partnerships and LLCs.
Should they all be double taxed?

Do W2 workers get a twenty percent deduction?

Do businesses get a standard deduction?

The playing field is not level.

Well, you don't like flat taxes, so what are we to do?
 
Brilliant argument . . .

No, it isn't. But you do not advocate level playing field if you do not want a flat tax.

It is not a level playing field. Nor do you advocate one.

If the owner of a business that has become successful and grown by serving its customers well is taxed at fifty percent, while the owner of a new start up competitor is taxed at ten percent, that is not a level playing field.

Lower tax brackets for some people and higher tax brackets for other people does not treat all income the same. If the rule was whites pay twenty percent of income, while blacks pay forty percent income, would you say all income is treated the same, so long as it included Capital Gains as income, and there were no pass through exemption?

Of course not, because it would not treat all income the same. A flat tax would.
Look, yes, a flat tax is stupid. It is regressive. Get over it. It will never fly. Come on, are you saying a poor person, living below the poverty level, that owns damn near nothing, should pay the same rate as a wealthy person? How is it hard to understand, the wealthy have more to protect, use government resources MORE, yes, I said it, MORE, than a poor person. Again, a wealthy person with two homes carrying a mortgage of $750,000, even in the 24% tax bracket and with a mortgage of 3% gets almost $500 a month in tax expenditures. Maybe they have a private plane, or worse, private jet. How much does the government spend in airport construction and air traffic controllers. Meanwhile, the poor person rides the bus and pays a fare.

But a progressive tax system can be a level playing field. All income to a certain level is taxes at this rate, higher incomes are taxed at another rate. That applies to everyone, the field is level. All income is treated the same.
 
But a progressive tax system can be a level playing field. All income to a certain level is taxes at this rate, higher incomes are taxed at another rate.

Like payroll taxes. All income to a certain level pays 7.65%. Higher incomes are taxed at 1.45%.
 
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Sole proprietorship can also use the pass through exemption.

Yes, taxed at the individual level. Just like partnerships and LLCs.
Should they all be double taxed?

Do W2 workers get a twenty percent deduction?

Do businesses get a standard deduction?

The playing field is not level.

Well, you don't like flat taxes, so what are we to do?
Great, want a flat tax, fine. All income is treated the same, no pass through exemption, no difference between earned and unearned income, a standard deduction of $200,000 for a married couple and a flat tax rate of 60%. We good with that? Oh, and yes, the cap on the FICA tax is eliminated. Damn, I think I just solved the deficit problem.
 
Great, want a flat tax, fine. All income is treated the same, no pass through exemption, no difference between earned and unearned income, a standard deduction of $200,000 for a married couple and a flat tax rate of 60%. We good with that? Oh, and yes, the cap on the FICA tax is eliminated. Damn, I think I just solved the deficit problem.

That's not a level playing field.

Now why is taxing LLCs and partnerships only once so evil?
 
That's not a level playing field.

Now why is taxing LLCs and partnerships only once so evil?
Easy, they get the corporate veil for ******* free. But why are you ignoring this reality. Work a damn job, busting your ass, make a hundred grand, you pay taxes on a hundred grand, outside the normal deductions. Have a sole proprietorship, make a hundred grand, pay taxes on eighty thousand, outside the normal deductions.

I have two businesses. Sure, the income is dropping, I don't actively work either of them anymore. Pretty much coasting on residuals. When my kids all left the roost I got a real job, a W2 job, with benefits that are off the damn chain. Took my professor's advice, a private company. One of the largest in the country.

So, when I do my taxes, well I pay taxes on all of the income I earn on the real job. My business income, holy shit, 20% of it is taxfree, and that is after all the write-offs. Why? Did I need that? No, first year it happened I was like, WTF. Free money.
 
Like payroll taxes. All income to a certain level pays 7.65%. Higher incomes are taxed at 1.45%.
Payroll taxes are regressive, that is a real problem. But I anticipate mad opposition to that 60% rate, but hey, I know you. You have no concept of risk, you think that investing is some given return. So, I got to ask. If you have a magic box, and you put a dollar inside and two dollars come out the other end, at what tax rate do you throw away the box and go home? Is it forty percent? Damn, I put in a dollar, dammit, I get back two but I have to give Uncle Sam forty ******* cents. **** it, I don't need that sixty cents. Is it 60%, dammit, that forty cents ain't worth it.

I mean for me, even 60% is not too high. I am still gaining forty percent. And I chose that 60% level for a reason. Almost all economist will tell you that the Laffer curve doesn't turn downwards until marginal tax rates exceed 65%. That is why Kennedy's tax cuts resulted in additional revenue and every tax cut since then hasn't.
 
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