Zone1 I am stepping away from Judaism

[candycorn]

You shouldn't leave your faith because people in your faith are acting badly.

If you believe in the core tenants of your religion, you should stick with it and try to convince others to follow the teachings of your faith.

It underscores that organized religions of all faiths are medicine shows.

The OP in particular has no convictions whatsoever so I’m not surprised by this latest “woe is me” tale of persecution.

 

[Moonglow]

It underscores that organized religions of all faiths are medicine shows.

The OP in particular has no convictions whatsoever so I’m not surprised by this latest “woe is me” tale of persecution.

He is vivacious in the contention he is a Trump lackey.

 

[ding]

are you cowardly and dumbfoundedly fleeing from the truth and the argument as usual?

No, I'm mocking your churchlady like righteous indignation. Make some more moral arguments.

And you call me a saint.

 

[ding]

she has already made her decision ...

Or she could just put the baby up for adoption.

 

[ding]

Saint Ding

Says the churchlady as she falls off of her high horse making never ending moral arguments.

 

[BreezeWood]

Or she could just put the baby up for adoption.

she has already made her decision ...

cry a river w/ your mommy ...

have you murdered a conifer yet for the holidays - your messiah birthday ...

 

[ding]

cry a river w/ your mommy ...

have you murdered a conifer yet for the holidays - your messiah birthday ...

Why would I need to do that? My obligation is satisfied when I speak the truth. What others choose to do is on them. Up to and including their rationalization of a wrong as a right as you are so wont to do.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

more examples of the Republican Billionaire Bible Worldview see Post: iasaf00760

ding dcclxv. :
churchlady

ding dccliii:
Biblical

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'From pardoned to Paris': Trump nominates Jared Kushner's dad for ambassador to France

Donald Trump has nominated one of his in-laws to serve as ambassador to France.The president-elect tapped son-in-law Jared Kushner's father, real estate developer Charles Kushner, to the diplomatic post on Saturday touting his business accomplishments and public service but studiously avoiding...

www.rawstory.com

Donald Trump has nominated one of his in-laws to serve as ambassador to France.

The president-elect tapped son-in-law Jared Kushner's father, real estate developer Charles Kushner, to the diplomatic post on Saturday touting his business accomplishments and public service but studiously avoiding mention of his criminal conviction for a scheme to hire a sex worker to seduce his own brother-in-law and send a recording of the encounter to his sister.

 

[ding]

more examples of the Republican Billionaire Bible Worldview see Post: iasaf00760

ding dcclxv. :
churchlady

ding dccliii:
Biblical

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'From pardoned to Paris': Trump nominates Jared Kushner's dad for ambassador to France

Donald Trump has nominated one of his in-laws to serve as ambassador to France.The president-elect tapped son-in-law Jared Kushner's father, real estate developer Charles Kushner, to the diplomatic post on Saturday touting his business accomplishments and public service but studiously avoiding...

www.rawstory.com

Donald Trump has nominated one of his in-laws to serve as ambassador to France.

The president-elect tapped son-in-law Jared Kushner's father, real estate developer Charles Kushner, to the diplomatic post on Saturday touting his business accomplishments and public service but studiously avoiding mention of his criminal conviction for a scheme to hire a sex worker to seduce his own brother-in-law and send a recording of the encounter to his sister.

Another moral argument?


And you don't think you are religious?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

NotfooledbyW dcclxx.to 769. : more examples of the Republican Billionaires Biblical Worldview Rot Within….. see post: iasaf00760

ding said: Another moral argument?

'Unprecedented': Trump ally reportedly poised to divert billions into his own company

The world's richest man has been tapped by Donald Trump to drastically reduce government spending in ways that could benefit his own business interests.Tech billionaire Elon Musk was named by the president-elect to co-lead the quasi-governmental "Department of Government Efficiency" (DOGE) with...

www.rawstory.com

“While there are other technology options for high-speed connectivity, the most reliable, efficient and future-proof solution is fiber optic technology to the home or business,” said Tom Dailey, head of regulatory and government affairs at Brightspeed, an internet service provider competing for BEAD funds. “Satellite broadband is a costly option that does not provide the same level of reliability or speed that fiber optic technology provides."​

 

[ding]

NotfooledbyW dcclxx.to 769. : more examples of the Republican Billionaires Biblical Worldview Rot Within….. see post: iasaf00760

ding said: Another moral argument?

'Unprecedented': Trump ally reportedly poised to divert billions into his own company

The world's richest man has been tapped by Donald Trump to drastically reduce government spending in ways that could benefit his own business interests.Tech billionaire Elon Musk was named by the president-elect to co-lead the quasi-governmental "Department of Government Efficiency" (DOGE) with...

www.rawstory.com

“While there are other technology options for high-speed connectivity, the most reliable, efficient and future-proof solution is fiber optic technology to the home or business,” said Tom Dailey, head of regulatory and government affairs at Brightspeed, an internet service provider competing for BEAD funds. “Satellite broadband is a costly option that does not provide the same level of reliability or speed that fiber optic technology provides."​

And you don't believe you are righteously indignant. Onward Christian soldier!!!

 

[rosends]

Biblical death? WTF are you talking about? I don't need a bible to know right from wrong. Again... The least you can do is acknowledge abortion ends a human life.

So you want me to ignore what God said and instead obey you? No thanks.

 

[Meriweather]

So you want me to ignore what God said

Question only, not a challenge. In scripture it appears that God once condoned or permitted slavery? It seems He started where humanity was (with slaves) and led humans out of slavery to live in freedom. Should we reflect on the possibility that if, as you say, God condones abortion, He may be leading humans away from causing a death to nourishing life?

Again, not a challenge, a simple interest/curiosity about your thoughts/perspective.

 

[rosends]

Question only, not a challenge. In scripture it appears that God once condoned or permitted slavery? It seems He started where humanity was (with slaves) and led humans out of slavery to live in freedom. Should we reflect on the possibility that if, as you say, God condones abortion, He may be leading humans away from causing a death to nourishing life?

Again, not a challenge, a simple interest/curiosity about your thoughts/perspective.

Judaism is against slavery but because it was present in the world, God gave us myriad rules regulating it. If God were leading us away, why not criminalize the biblical case of abortion?

 

[ding]

So you want me to ignore what God said and instead obey you? No thanks.

Your customs are not God's commands.

Dehumanizing human life just so you can sleep at night and blaming God for it is not a good look.

Adam, did you eat the apple?
The woman YOU made gave it to me.

 

[Meriweather]

Judaism is against slavery but because it was present in the world, God gave us myriad rules regulating it. If God were leading us away, why not criminalize the biblical case of abortion?

Rules or not, Jews, at one time, did keep slaves. That's Biblical. As long as they followed Biblical rules, would you say it is right today for Jews to keep slaves? Isn't life one of God's greatest gifts? If all Bible verses were listed on valuing life, would that be worth considering?

 

[rosends]

Your customs are not God's commands.

Dehumanizing human life just so you can sleep at night and blaming God for it is not a good look.

Adam, did you eat the apple?
The woman YOU made gave it to me.

What apple? You ignore what the text says and then invent an apple.

 

[rosends]

Rules or not, Jews, at one time, did keep slaves. That's Biblical. As long as they followed Biblical rules, would you say it is right today for Jews to keep slaves?

The rules of slavery are much more complicated and complex than you know. Here is one quick discussion Can one buy a slave nowadays?

Isn't life one of God's greatest gifts?

Yes. So?

If all Bible verses were listed on valuing life, would that be worth considering?

Why do that? I'm not sure what you are trying to convince me of.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It underscores that organized religions of all faiths are medicine shows.

The OP in particular has no convictions whatsoever so I’m not surprised by this latest “woe is me” tale of persecution.

That’s not why I was leaving. LOL

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. Meriweather dcclxxiii. to. 772 : In scripture it appears that God once condoned or permitted slavery? mrwthr 241130 Siasaf00773

ii. NotfooledbyW dcclxxx to 773 : The Biblical concept of original sin is not rational therefore it should not be associated with a non-biblical rational concept of God. The Biblical acceptance of the commercial operation of race based chattel slavery as something Divine is anathema to reason.

Why has one great American abolitionist before abolitionists time, Thomas Paine, been crushed by American white Christian nationalism? see his Letter TO A FRIEND, of May 12, 1797 in full below:

Paine was a rational theist - like Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Madison he was opposed to the Biblical Worldview and the “execrable commerce” of slavery.

Slavery, according to Saint Meriweather, in paragraph i. above, was not an “original” sin to the Creator of Natural Law and the Universe for those whom have kept generation after generation of faith in the Biblical Worldview of Judaism, Catholicism and white Anglo Saxon Protestant Judeo-Christianity.

Then “woke” happened during Europeon enlightenment against the slave holding justification of the Holy Bible.

iii. NotfooledbyW dcclxxx to 773 : posted a link;

https://thehill.com/changing-america/opinion/506782-anti-slavery-revolutionaries-who-practiced-what-they-preached/

Thomas Paine took an even stronger position against slavery. Referred to as “The Father of the American Revolution” for his writing “Common Sense,” Paine may deserve more credit than any of the founders for galvanizing the colonies into seeking outright independence from Great Britain. His writings were so widely-read and influential that John Adams once said: “Without the pen of the author of ‘Common Sense,’ the sword of Washington would have been raised in vain.”​

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Paine was famous throughout the new nation and used his influence to advocate for the abolishment of slavery. He never owned a slave himself and spoke out against the practice with ferocity. He published an article in the Pennsylvania Magazine that attacked slavery as an “execrable commerce” and an “outrage against humanity and justice.” He wrote a similar tract in London to aid in passing the abolitionist “Slave Act” when he resided on the other side of the Atlantic.​

iv. NotfooledbyW dcclxxx to 773 : posted a link:

The Thomas Paine National Historical Association

Thomas Paine National Historical Association

thomaspaine.org

Age of Reason Letters​

1797. AN ANSWER TO A FRIEND. PARIS, May 12, 1797​

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In your letter of the 20th of March, you give me several quotations from the Bible, which you call the ‘word of God,’ to shew me that my opinions on religion are wrong, and I could give you as many, from the same book to shew that yours are not right; consequently, then, the Bible decides nothing, because it decides any way, and every way, one chooses to make it.​

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But by what authority do you call the Bible the ‘word of God?’ for this is the first point to be settled. It is not your calling it so that makes it so, any more than the Mahometans calling the Koran the ‘word of God’ makes the Koran to be so. The Popish Councils of Nice and Laodicea, about 350 years after the time the person called Jesus Christ is said to have lived, voted the books that now compose what is called the New Testament to be the ‘word of God.’ This was done by yeas and nays, as we now vote a law. The pharisees of the second Temple, after the Jews returned from captivity in Babylon, did the same by the books that now compose the Old Testament, and this is all the authority there is, which to me is no authority at all. I am as capable of judging for myself as they were, and I think more so, because, as they made a living by their religion, they had a self-interest in the vote they gave.​

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You may have an opinion that a man is inspired, but you cannot prove it, nor can you have any proof of it yourself, because you cannot see into his mind in order to know how he comes by his thoughts; and the same is the case with the word ‘revelation.’ There can be no evidence of such a thing, for you can no more prove revelation than you can prove what another man dreams of, neither can he prove it himself.​

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It is often said in the Bible that God spake unto Moses, but how do you know that God spake unto Moses? Because, you will say, the Bible says so. The Koran says, that God spake unto Mahomet, do you believe that too? No. Why not? Because, you will say, you do not believe it; and so because you do, and because you don’t is all the reason you can give for believing or disbelieving except that you will say that Mahomet was an impostor. And how do you know Moses was not an imposter? For my own part, I believe that all are impostors who pretend to hold verbal communication with the Deity. It is the way by which the world has been imposed upon; but if you think otherwise you have the same right to your opinion that I have to mine, and must answer for it in the same manner. But all this does not settle the point, whether the Bible be the ‘word of God,’ or not. It is therefore necessary to go a step further. The case then is: –​

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You form your opinion of God from the account given of him in the Bible; and I form my opinion of the Bible from the wisdom and goodness of God manifested in the structure of the universe, and in all works of Creation. The result in these two cases will be, that you, by taking the Bible for your standard, will have a bad opinion of God; and I, by taking God for my standard, shall have a bad opinion of the Bible.​

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The Bible represents God to be a changeable, passionate, vindictive Being; making a world and then drowning it, afterwards repenting of what he had done, and promising not to do so again. Setting one nation to cut the throats of another, and stopping the course of the sun till the butchery should be done. But the works of God in the Creation preach to us another doctrine. In that vast volume we see nothing to give us the idea of a changeable, passionate, vindictive God; everything we there behold impresses us with a contrary idea, – that of unchangeableness and of eternal order, harmony, and goodness. The sun and the seasons return at their appointed time, and everything in the Creation proclaims that God is unchangeable. Now, which am I to believe, a book that any impostor might make and call the ‘word of God,’ or the Creation itself which none but an Almighty Power could make? For the Bible says one thing, and the Creation says the contrary. The Bible represents God with all the passions of a mortal, and the Creation proclaims him with all the attributes of a God.​

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It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man. That bloodthirsty man, called the prophet Samuel, makes God to say, (i Sam. xv. 3,) “Now go and smite Amaleck, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”​

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That Samuel or some other impostor might say this, is what, at this distance of time, can neither be proved nor disproved, but in my opinion it is blasphemy to say, or to believe, that God said it. All our ideas of the justice and goodness of God revolt at the impious cruelty of the Bible. It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes.​

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What makes this pretended order to destroy the Amalekites appear the worse, is the reason given for it. The Amalekites, four hundred years before, according to the account in Exodus xvii. (but which has the appearance of fable from the magical account it gives of Moses holding up his hands,) had opposed the Israelites coming into their country, and this the Amalckites had a right to do, because the Israelites were the invaders, as the Spaniards were the invaders of Mexico; and this opposition by the Amalekites, at that time, is given as a reason, that the men, women, infants and sucklings, sheep and oxen, camels and asses, that were born four hundred years afterwards, should be put to death; and to complete the horror, Samuel hewed Agag, the chief of the Amalekites, in pieces, as you would hew a stick of wood. I will bestow a few observations on this case.​

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In the first place, nobody knows who the author, or writer, of the book of Samuel was, and, therefore, the fact itself has no other proof than anonymous or hearsay evidence, which is no evidence at all. In the second place, this anonymous book says, that this slaughter was done by ‘the express command of God:’ but all our ideas of the justice and goodness of God give the lie to the book, and as I never will believe any book that ascribes cruelty and injustice to God, I therefore reject the Bible as unworthy of credit.​

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As I have now given you my reasons for believing that the Bible is not the word of God, that it is a falsehood, I have a right to ask you your reasons for believing the contrary; but I know you can give me none, except that you were educated to believe the Bible; and as the Turks give the same reason for believing the Koran, it is evident that education makes all the difference, and that reason and truth have nothing to do in the case. You believe in the Bible from the accident of birth, and the Turks believe in the Koran from the same accident, and each calls the other ‘infidel.’ But leaving the prejudice of education out of the case, the unprejudiced truth is, that all are infidels who believe falsely of God, whether they draw their creed from the Bible, or from the Koran, from the Old Testament, or from the New.​

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When you have examined the Bible with the attention that I have done, (for I do not think you know much about it,) and permit yourself to have just ideas of God, you will most probably believe as I do. But I wish you to know that this answer to your letter is not written for the purpose of changing your opinion. It is written to satisfy you, and some other friends whom I esteem, that my disbelief of the Bible is founded on a pure and religious belief in God; for in my opinion the Bible is a gross libel against the justice and goodness of God, in almost every part of it. THOMAS PAINE.​

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v. NotfooledbyW dcclxxx to 773 : If you read Paine’s letter to a friend 1797 May 12, PaineLOTF, you have experienced how the value of human reason contributed to making America progressively great for 228 years since its v was written outside of Saint ding ‘s Biblical Worldview and why we should not be going back based on an unholy book save the Republicans Party agenda.

The book can be Holy but not in a regressive MAGA way.

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