I am a Democrat. I didn't kill Charlie Kirk.

[Moonglow]

See, that's just it. It's not anecdotal. Not a single high-ranking individual in your party will condemn Jay Jones or demand he withdraw from the race. In fact, they are doubling down on their endorsement of him.

There is no broad brush here. It's simply what the Democrat Party now is, whether or not you want to accept that.

Jay Jones condemned by Virginia Democrats but not ...​

CNN
https://www.cnn.com › 2025/10/06 › politics › jay-jone...




19 hours ago — Top Virginia Democrats have sharply criticized attorney general nominee Jay Jones for suggesting that a colleague be shot in newly revealed ...

Where was the condemnation for this??
In January 2021, a CNN review of Greene's social media activity from 2018 and 2019, before she was elected, uncovered multiple instances of endorsing violence. Some examples include:

• Targeting Democratic politicians: Greene liked comments on her Facebook page that included suggestions of executing former President Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In one instance, after a commenter asked if they could "hang" Obama and Clinton, Greene responded, "Stage is being set. Players are being put in place. We must be patient. This must be done perfectly or liberal judges would let them off".
• Targeting federal agents: Greene also liked posts about executing FBI agents she accused of being part of a "deep state" working against then-President Trump.
• Incendiary imagery: In 2020, Greene posted a meme of herself holding a gun alongside images of Democratic Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib. The caption encouraged going on the "offense against these socialists".

More recent statements and actions

• Sworn testimony (2022): During a court hearing in 2022 regarding her eligibility to run for office, Greene was confronted with her past comments. Under oath, she claimed, "I never mean anything for violence. All of my words never, ever, mean anything for violence".
• Helicopter video (2022): In a campaign video, Greene likened Democrats to feral hogs and showed herself with a rifle on a helicopter, shooting at a hog. This was widely criticized as violent rhetoric against Democrats.
• Fox News interview (2025): In April 2025, Greene denounced political violence during a Fox News interview on C-SPAN. "I denounce all political violence," she stated, adding that changing leaders should be done through voting.

Reaction and consequences

• Political censure: The discovery of Greene's social media posts in 2021 led to widespread condemnation from Democrats and some Republicans.
• Committee stripping: In February 2021, the House of Representatives, with the support of 11 Republicans, voted to remove Greene from her committee assignments due to her "incendiary, violent, and conspiratorial comments".
• Legal challenges: In 2022, a lawsuit was filed to challenge Greene's eligibility for office under the 14th Amendment for allegedly engaging in insurrection. Greene denied the claims and ultimately won the case.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/26/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-democrats-violence#:~:text=After%20Democratic%20Rep.,be%20expelled%2C%E2%80%9D%20she%20tweeted.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/26/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-democrats-violence/index.html]#:~:text=Marjorie%20Taylor%20Greene%20indicated%20support,before%20running%20for%20Congress%20%2D%20CNNPolitics

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/us/marjorie-taylor-greene-executing-democrats.html#:~:text=A%20review%20of%20Ms.,did%20not%20represent%20my%20views.%E2%80%9D

 

[Correll]

Sounds like a setup so you can tell me how wrong I am. I'd rather not play a game of gotcha.

I was, and am curious if you are able to respect the legitimacy of other view points.

That is the point.

The political conflict that is literally driving this country towards civil war,

is your sides refusal to respect our participation in the political process.


I suspect your list would be a list of spun strawmen designed to make us look stupid or evil.

 

[berg80]

See, that's just it. It's not anecdotal. Not a single high-ranking individual in your party will condemn Jay Jones or demand he withdraw from the race. In fact, they are doubling down on their endorsement of him.

There is no broad brush here. It's simply what the Democrat Party now is, whether or not you want to accept that.

Kaine gave his reasons for not withdrawing support of Jones. If you disagree with his conclusions, or the conclusions of other Dems who still support Jones, fine.

I'm resisting the temptation of providing examples of Repubs ignoring the mistakes of candidates they support so as not to have this discussion devolve in to an endless back and forth of whataboutisms as so many do.

However, I will point out that you've done exactly what we need to distance ourselves from. We should take individual instances for what they are, not condemn the entirety of Dems because you disagree with decisions made by some.

 

[berg80]

I was, and am curious if you are able to respect the legitimacy of other view points.

That is the point.

The political conflict that is literally driving this country towards civil war,

is your sides refusal to respect our participation in the political process.

Ok, that's a new one on me. I must say, I'm not aware of a national campaign by Dem's to disenfranchise Repubs voters. I'm not aware of a national campaign by Repubs to eliminate the EC so that every person's vote for the prez is counted equally.

Maybe I should stop and ask you what you mean by......."your sides refusal to respect our participation in the political process."

 

[j-mac]

Some of you are Republicans, you didn't kill Melissa Hortman.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/07/us/vance-boelter-minnesota-lawmakers-shot

We need to get away from broad brushing people of each party, holding them responsible for the acts of people they may share some ideological beliefs with but do not endorse their actions.

I supported the BLM protests, not the minority of people involved in the violent riots. You may believe millions and millions of votes were fraudulently cast in 2020 but do not endorse what the J6 mob did.

Demonizing people because of their party affiliation makes it easier to forget we are all Americans with similar backgrounds, similar experiences, and similar desires for ourselves and our families. Something we would do well to remember.

Before we address your Kumbaya moment here, Let's get in the way back machine and observe some of YOUR postings in the wake of Kirk's assassination....

"... he could reasonably be accused of being, or at least sounding like, a racist, a bigot, and a homophobe." Berg80 - Sept 12, 2025

".... does his advocacy of debate excuse his sometimes hateful rhetoric?" Berg80 - Sept 12, 2025
"Kirk built that movement with falsehoods. And his advocacy was laced with racist and bigoted statements." Berg - Sept 13, 2025

"Lowering flags for a minor, controversial, divisive political personality goes against tradition."
Berg80 - Sept 13, 2025

"it is the height of disingenuousness to assert Kirk was shot because he wanted to discuss his. (opinions) Berg80 - Sept 16, 2025

etc, etc....So, where did this 'new revelation' of unity come from? I mean, you thought of Kirk that he was a "racist, bigot, homophobe", that peddled in "hate".... You thought he was "controversial, and divisive", and questioned that shot because of his views....

Now, you want to hide behind unity? Forgive the hell out of me if I think you are full of shit here....

 

[NetJedi]

Before we address your Kumbaya moment here, Let's get in the way back machine and observe some of YOUR postings in the wake of Kirk's assassination....

"... he could reasonably be accused of being, or at least sounding like, a racist, a bigot, and a homophobe." Berg80 - Sept 12, 2025

".... does his advocacy of debate excuse his sometimes hateful rhetoric?" Berg80 - Sept 12, 2025
"Kirk built that movement with falsehoods. And his advocacy was laced with racist and bigoted statements." Berg - Sept 13, 2025

"Lowering flags for a minor, controversial, divisive political personality goes against tradition."
Berg80 - Sept 13, 2025

"it is the height of disingenuousness to assert Kirk was shot because he wanted to discuss his. (opinions) Berg80 - Sept 16, 2025

etc, etc....So, where did this 'new revelation' of unity come from? I mean, you thought of Kirk that he was a "racist, bigot, homophobe", that peddled in "hate".... You thought he was "controversial, and divisive", and questioned that shot because of his views....

Now, you want to hide behind unity? Forgive the hell out of me if I think you are full of shit here....

BooYah!

 

[berg80]

etc, etc....So, where did this 'new revelation' of unity come from?

How did you get to "this 'new revelation' of unity" from my suggestion that we stop generalizing when criticizing a person or a group of people for exhibiting behavior worthy of criticism? My central point is it's useless to accuse Democrats in a blanket statement condemning all of us for the actions of a few. How did that simple concept even become controversial?

 

[j-mac]

How did you get to "this 'new revelation' of unity" from my suggestion that we stop generalizing when criticizing a person or a group of people for exhibiting behavior worthy of criticism? My central point is it's useless to accuse Democrats in a blanket statement condemning all of us for the actions of a few. How did that simple concept even become controversial?

As you categorize those that voted for President Trump as “devotees”, and worse…? Spare me….Glass houses asshole.

 

[theHawk]

Melissa Hortman

She was the one that voted to take away medical coverage for illegals, siding with Republicans.

Then she started receiving death threats for being a “traitor”.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Kirks hate killed Kirk.

That logic will bite you in the ass. You deem Kirk as full of hate so that got him killed. Is that acceptable to you?

That is what ANTIFA does. They deem someone’s speech or position on an issue as fascist and then justifies an attack on them.

 

[berg80]

As you categorize those that voted for President Trump as “devotees”, and worse…? Spare me….Glass houses asshole.

You disagree you folks have a historically unusual allegiance to trump? I won't bother listing all the reasons the unfailing support for him is unprecedented. You know what they are. No other politician in American history would have been re-elected after doing what he did.

What word would you prefer to describe your unquestioning loyalty?

 

[berg80]

She was the one that voted to take away medical coverage for illegals, siding with Republicans.

Then she started receiving death threats for being a “traitor”.

Immaterial to the thread.

 

[The Irish Ram]

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/07/democrats-trump-resistance-violence-congress

 

[j-mac]

You disagree you folks have a historically unusual allegiance to trump? I won't bother listing all the reasons the unfailing support for him is unprecedented. You know what they are. No other politician in American history would have been re-elected after doing what he did.

What word would you prefer to describe your unquestioning loyalty?

Were you alive during the Obama years? You people soul quiver when his name was mentioned…You tried to tell us Joe Biden was “sharp as a tac”… you have zero credibility

 

[j-mac]

Immaterial to the thread.

You’re ******* kidding right?

 

[berg80]

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/07/democrats-trump-resistance-violence-congress

Yes, frustration has grown as democrats watch trump tear the country apart while congressional Dem's are essentially powerless to stop him.

 

[DonGlock26]

Some of you are Republicans, you didn't kill Melissa Hortman.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/07/us/vance-boelter-minnesota-lawmakers-shot

We need to get away from broad brushing people of each party, holding them responsible for the acts of people they may share some ideological beliefs with but do not endorse their actions.

I supported the BLM protests, not the minority of people involved in the violent riots. You may believe millions and millions of votes were fraudulently cast in 2020 but do not endorse what the J6 mob did.

Demonizing people because of their party affiliation makes it easier to forget we are all Americans with similar backgrounds, similar experiences, and similar desires for ourselves and our families. Something we would do well to remember.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

He had a kill list 30+ Democrats and 40 other people including abortion providers....and you think this was about a seat?

When are you going to stop shitting yourself in public already?

See. He wasn't all bad.

When you name Hortman specifically, the one reason he had for offing her takes precedence over the collective.

 

[j-mac]

Yes, frustration has grown as democrats watch trump tear the country apart while congressional Dem's are essentially powerless to stop him.

Trump is "tearing" the country as you people were envisioning it apart. And, you know what? The country as you prog leftists were envisioning it is why you lost your power....Yet, you double down like fools....

 

[The Irish Ram]

Yes, frustration has grown as democrats watch trump tear the country apart while congressional Dem's are essentially powerless to stop him.

Bullshit. What about lower inflation irritates you. And those closed borders. How badly does that upset you?