Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) Thread

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's more "crowd sourcing" of QUALIFIED opinion in a time of crisis...

That's a romantic name for anecdotal evidence.

And all the studies SHOWN HERE in this thread give you the VITAL SCIENTIFIC PREREQUISITE

...for clinical trials to start. And the desperate situation only demands that we expedite this process, not sidestep it.

 

[beagle9]

If the shit works it will get out to people who need it. this is not some doctor show where magic bullet cures abound. I seriously cannot understand why you people can't wait for some kind of real peer-reviewed testing to take place.

Uh because we don't need more dying by the truck loads while you all debate whether Trump is right or wrong for political reasons??

 

[SweetSue92]

Just when you wonder if TDS has come to its unfortunate end...you see a combo of drugs giving hope in a PANDEMIC but because Trump recommended it, Leftists are literally snatching it out of the hands of dying people.

Anyone with half and brain or soul left is watching. That's all I can say.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

you see a combo of drugs giving hope in a PANDEMIC but because Trump recommended it, Leftists are literally snatching it out of the hands of dying people.

Such retarded nonsense, parroted right from Hannity.

Scientists are the ones issuing warnings.

Doctors can prescribe it.

Get better sources, FOX is rotting your brain.

 

[EvMetro]

I bookmarked a thread that I started call "Hydroxychloroquine doomed forever", but it was merged into this thread. I have a copy of the original thread before it was hidden in this obscure place, but I am bookmarking this post for future reference to remind me why this bookmark is not like my others.

No need for anybody to reply to this post, it is only planted here for my own reference later on.

Post 1078

Trump touted this drug as being very promising, while Fauci condemned it, which tells us all we need to know about the future studies and research of it. Can anybody imagine the MSM admitting Trump was right and that this drug was what was needed to save lots of lives? It will NEVER happen. My prediction is that we will either never see the end of whatever research it takes to get the drug scientifically blessed get the stamp of approval from the government, or the drug will be condemned. The drug will make its way to many who need it, but it will have to remain taboo forever. The only way I see to get this drug blessed by the scientific and medical communities and a stamp of approval from the government is if lefties can find some way to say they touted it while Trump rejected it.

 

[Leo123]

In New York, Cuomo made it impossible for a doctor to prescribe Hydroxychlorquine privately to a patient. NO....the patient has to go to a hospital to get it. Think about that, they have to expose themselves to the plethera of pathogens present in every hospital to get a drug that will protect them from those pathogens. How does that make any sense at all?

 

[Likkmee]

I just go to the farmacia ????
OH. It's a freedom thing. You would never understand

 

[Leo123]

I just go to the farmacia ????
OH. It's a freedom thing. You would never understandView attachment 321375

Nice lookin' drug dealer dude!!! Got her number?

 

[Markle]

...for clinical trials to start. And the desperate situation only demands that we expedite this process, not sidestep it.

Why do you demand that thousands or tens of thousands of more people should die before using a known cure?

I've got it, it's because President Donald Trump is proposing the cure as opposed to Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden!

 

[Likkmee]

...for clinical trials to start. And the desperate situation only demands that we expedite this process, not sidestep it.

Why do you demand that thousands or tens of thousands of more people should die before using a known cure?

I've got it, it's because President Donald Trump is proposing the cure as opposed to Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden!

It's NOT a cure. It's an immune supercharger. YOU have the "cure' inside. This is fuel. The antibiotic generally combined gets after the bacterial lung issues , if they show.
It's effective a fair to good percent of the time.Well worth it. It's the main go to here. 5.7 Million people and two 87 year olds died a couple-three weeks ago. The cases are coming slow but steady....mostly lack of full testing, like Ol #1 and it's clusterfuck.
Iceland showed how that fail works out.
The world has who knows how many people carrying this shit around yet 100% asymptomatic. Not pretty.

 

[Leo123]

...for clinical trials to start. And the desperate situation only demands that we expedite this process, not sidestep it.

Why do you demand that thousands or tens of thousands of more people should die before using a known cure?

I've got it, it's because President Donald Trump is proposing the cure as opposed to Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden!

It's NOT a cure. It's an immune supercharger. YOU have the "cure' inside. This is fuel. The antibiotic generally combined gets after the bacterial lung issues , if they show.
It's effective a fair to good percent of the time.Well worth it. It's the main go to here. 5.7 Million people and two 87 year olds died a couple-three weeks ago. The cases are coming slow but steady....mostly lack of full testing, like Ol #1 and it's clusterfuck.
Iceland showed how that fail works out.
The world has who knows how many people carrying this shit around yet 100% asymptomatic. Not pretty.

Sometimes these antibiotics actually work against one's immune system IF that immune system is triggered to over perform by the virus. This stuff is fairly complicated from what I understand. Look at it this way, the virus could trigger a bacterial infection and the immune response creates an environment that the virus is protected by. Shunting that particular response makes the virus more susceptible to one's other immune attack cells that may have been previously thwarted. Just wondering, I'm no expert and probably 'over my skiis.'

 

[protectionist]

Well done France. We need something for those hardest hit. People are going from nasal cannulas to ventilators in 24 hours.

By the way, do you know a big part of the reason we have a shortage of ventilators? Because China stopped shipping the circuit boards for them.

Yet another example of the idiotic policy of Obama et al to give China unrestricted access to our market, thereby replacing US manufacturers.

President Trump should be relected just on this issue alone. For being the first president in 30 years, to not go along with this idiocy, and to put a stop to it.

 

[protectionist]

On the nightly news all the networks were downplaying the idea that the marlaria drug chloroquine could offer any hope.........trying to twist it into a story of Trump trying to build false hope.


HUGE DEVELOPMENT! ... Now 3 International Studies Find Chloroquine with Azithromycin Shows 100% Success Rate in Treating Coronavirus in 6 Days! (VIDEO)

If it can be shown that these mainstream media networks are causing people to be sick and die, the guilty parties there could be prosecuted on serious charges, and imprisoned.

Time for the media to reassess their anti-Trump hysteria, and come back to earth.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Huge! Second French Study By Dr. Raoult Finds Hydroxychloroquine And Azithromycin Helped Every Patient In Study Group Of 80 Minus One (Video)

(Gateway Pundit) – On Friday night Laura Ingraham reported on the latest study by the French research team led by the renowned epidemiologist Dr. Didier Raoult was able to repeat his findings from a previous study.
This time Dr. Raoult administered hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to 80 patients and observed improvement in EVERY CASE except for a very sick 86-year-old with an advanced form of coronavirus infection.

This is very promising news once again from Dr. Didier Raoult.

This is wonderful news.
Unfortunately, this doctor’s work helps the the global community and Trump so the the liberal media has either igored, attacked or mocked his research.

What awful people.
Dr. Raoult tweeted his results. Translated: Our two articles published tonight help to demonstrate:1. The effectiveness of our protocol, on 80 patients.2. The relevance of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, thanks to research carried out in our P3 containment laboratory.

Didier Raoult
✔@raoult_didier


Nos deux articles publiés ce soir permettent de contiuer à démontrer :
1. L'efficacité de notre protocole, sur 80 patients.
2. La pertinence de l'association de l'hydroxychloroquine et de l'azithromycine, grâce à des recherches réalisées dans notre laboratoire de confinement P3. https://twitter.com/raoult_didier/status/1243619270581465089 …
Didier Raoult
✔@raoult_didier
Nouveaux résultats de l'IHU Méditerranée Infection : 80 patients traités par une association hydroxychloroquine/azithromycine.https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-IHU-2-1.pdf …
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Didier Raoult
✔@raoult_didier


Nouvel article publié on-line par mes équipes : démonstration in vitro de la synergie hydroxychloroquine/azithromycine pour contrer la réplication du SARS-COV2

In vitro testing of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin on SARS-CoV-2 shows synergistic effecthttps://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/La-Scola-et-al-V1.pdf …
Like this Tweet

Better yet Dr. Raoult is a climate skeptic.
Via The Ingraham Angle:

thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/huge-second-french-study-by-dr-raoult-finds-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-helped-every-patient-in-study-group-of-80-minus-one-video/


For the naysayers, it has been tested, on it's second run. For the dumasses try chloroquinephosphate (aqyarium cleaner) instead, been tested also by 2 lib idiots.

This is sure to drive trump haters absolutely nuts

Doesn't change a damn thing when a climate denying "scientist" or Dotard J Drumpf tells me they have a miracle drug. We are months if not YEARS more testing away before we have real proof and an approval on this.

/——-/ How about this doctor ?WATCH: NY Doctor says his hospital already using Chloroquine for coronavirus patients and have had ZERO deaths

 

[DrLove]

Huge! Second French Study By Dr. Raoult Finds Hydroxychloroquine And Azithromycin Helped Every Patient In Study Group Of 80 Minus One (Video)

(Gateway Pundit) – On Friday night Laura Ingraham reported on the latest study by the French research team led by the renowned epidemiologist Dr. Didier Raoult was able to repeat his findings from a previous study.
This time Dr. Raoult administered hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to 80 patients and observed improvement in EVERY CASE except for a very sick 86-year-old with an advanced form of coronavirus infection.

This is very promising news once again from Dr. Didier Raoult.

This is wonderful news.
Unfortunately, this doctor’s work helps the the global community and Trump so the the liberal media has either igored, attacked or mocked his research.

What awful people.
Dr. Raoult tweeted his results. Translated: Our two articles published tonight help to demonstrate:1. The effectiveness of our protocol, on 80 patients.2. The relevance of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, thanks to research carried out in our P3 containment laboratory.

Didier Raoult
✔@raoult_didier


Nos deux articles publiés ce soir permettent de contiuer à démontrer :
1. L'efficacité de notre protocole, sur 80 patients.
2. La pertinence de l'association de l'hydroxychloroquine et de l'azithromycine, grâce à des recherches réalisées dans notre laboratoire de confinement P3. https://twitter.com/raoult_didier/status/1243619270581465089 …
Didier Raoult
✔@raoult_didier
Nouveaux résultats de l'IHU Méditerranée Infection : 80 patients traités par une association hydroxychloroquine/azithromycine.https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-IHU-2-1.pdf …
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Didier Raoult
✔@raoult_didier


Nouvel article publié on-line par mes équipes : démonstration in vitro de la synergie hydroxychloroquine/azithromycine pour contrer la réplication du SARS-COV2

In vitro testing of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin on SARS-CoV-2 shows synergistic effecthttps://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/La-Scola-et-al-V1.pdf …
Like this Tweet

Better yet Dr. Raoult is a climate skeptic.
Via The Ingraham Angle:

thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/huge-second-french-study-by-dr-raoult-finds-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-helped-every-patient-in-study-group-of-80-minus-one-video/


For the naysayers, it has been tested, on it's second run. For the dumasses try chloroquinephosphate (aqyarium cleaner) instead, been tested also by 2 lib idiots.

This is sure to drive trump haters absolutely nuts

Doesn't change a damn thing when a climate denying "scientist" or Dotard J Drumpf tells me they have a miracle drug. We are months if not YEARS more testing away before we have real proof and an approval on this.

/——-/ How about this doctor ?WATCH: NY Doctor says his hospital already using Chloroquine for coronavirus patients and have had ZERO deaths

How about this Cellie - Your story from The Right Scoop (LoL) is almost a month old.
Go to 42 seconds in to see the ginormous refrigeration truck they recently brought in to Lenox Hill to hold bodies.

New York City setting up makeshift morgues as coronavirus deaths surge

NBC's Anne Thompson reports from Lenox Hill hospital in New York City where makeshift morgues are being set up as the number of coronavirus cases and deaths continues to grow.

www.msnbc.com

 

[Cellblock2429]

Huge! Second French Study By Dr. Raoult Finds Hydroxychloroquine And Azithromycin Helped Every Patient In Study Group Of 80 Minus One (Video)

(Gateway Pundit) – On Friday night Laura Ingraham reported on the latest study by the French research team led by the renowned epidemiologist Dr. Didier Raoult was able to repeat his findings from a previous study.
This time Dr. Raoult administered hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to 80 patients and observed improvement in EVERY CASE except for a very sick 86-year-old with an advanced form of coronavirus infection.

This is very promising news once again from Dr. Didier Raoult.

This is wonderful news.
Unfortunately, this doctor’s work helps the the global community and Trump so the the liberal media has either igored, attacked or mocked his research.

What awful people.
Dr. Raoult tweeted his results. Translated: Our two articles published tonight help to demonstrate:1. The effectiveness of our protocol, on 80 patients.2. The relevance of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, thanks to research carried out in our P3 containment laboratory.

Didier Raoult
✔@raoult_didier


Nos deux articles publiés ce soir permettent de contiuer à démontrer :
1. L'efficacité de notre protocole, sur 80 patients.
2. La pertinence de l'association de l'hydroxychloroquine et de l'azithromycine, grâce à des recherches réalisées dans notre laboratoire de confinement P3. https://twitter.com/raoult_didier/status/1243619270581465089 …
Didier Raoult
✔@raoult_didier
Nouveaux résultats de l'IHU Méditerranée Infection : 80 patients traités par une association hydroxychloroquine/azithromycine.https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-IHU-2-1.pdf …
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Didier Raoult
✔@raoult_didier


Nouvel article publié on-line par mes équipes : démonstration in vitro de la synergie hydroxychloroquine/azithromycine pour contrer la réplication du SARS-COV2

In vitro testing of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin on SARS-CoV-2 shows synergistic effecthttps://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/La-Scola-et-al-V1.pdf …
Like this Tweet

Better yet Dr. Raoult is a climate skeptic.
Via The Ingraham Angle:

thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/huge-second-french-study-by-dr-raoult-finds-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-helped-every-patient-in-study-group-of-80-minus-one-video/


For the naysayers, it has been tested, on it's second run. For the dumasses try chloroquinephosphate (aqyarium cleaner) instead, been tested also by 2 lib idiots.

This is sure to drive trump haters absolutely nuts

Doesn't change a damn thing when a climate denying "scientist" or Dotard J Drumpf tells me they have a miracle drug. We are months if not YEARS more testing away before we have real proof and an approval on this.

/——-/ How about this doctor ?WATCH: NY Doctor says his hospital already using Chloroquine for coronavirus patients and have had ZERO deaths

How about this Cellie - Your story from The Right Scoop (LoL) is almost a month old.
Go to 42 seconds in to see the ginormous refrigeration truck they recently brought in to Lenox Hill to hold bodies.

New York City setting up makeshift morgues as coronavirus deaths surge

NBC's Anne Thompson reports from Lenox Hill hospital in New York City where makeshift morgues are being set up as the number of coronavirus cases and deaths continues to grow.

www.msnbc.com

/----/ We were told there was nothing to worry about. Watch How CNN/MSNBC Kept Saying Coronavirus Is No Problem, the Flu Is Worse | 710 WOR | Mark Simone

 

[DrLove]

Huge! Second French Study By Dr. Raoult Finds Hydroxychloroquine And Azithromycin Helped Every Patient In Study Group Of 80 Minus One (Video)

(Gateway Pundit) – On Friday night Laura Ingraham reported on the latest study by the French research team led by the renowned epidemiologist Dr. Didier Raoult was able to repeat his findings from a previous study.
This time Dr. Raoult administered hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to 80 patients and observed improvement in EVERY CASE except for a very sick 86-year-old with an advanced form of coronavirus infection.

This is very promising news once again from Dr. Didier Raoult.

This is wonderful news.
Unfortunately, this doctor’s work helps the the global community and Trump so the the liberal media has either igored, attacked or mocked his research.

What awful people.
Dr. Raoult tweeted his results. Translated: Our two articles published tonight help to demonstrate:1. The effectiveness of our protocol, on 80 patients.2. The relevance of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, thanks to research carried out in our P3 containment laboratory.

Didier Raoult
✔@raoult_didier


Nos deux articles publiés ce soir permettent de contiuer à démontrer :
1. L'efficacité de notre protocole, sur 80 patients.
2. La pertinence de l'association de l'hydroxychloroquine et de l'azithromycine, grâce à des recherches réalisées dans notre laboratoire de confinement P3. https://twitter.com/raoult_didier/status/1243619270581465089 …
Didier Raoult
✔@raoult_didier
Nouveaux résultats de l'IHU Méditerranée Infection : 80 patients traités par une association hydroxychloroquine/azithromycine.https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-IHU-2-1.pdf …
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Didier Raoult
✔@raoult_didier


Nouvel article publié on-line par mes équipes : démonstration in vitro de la synergie hydroxychloroquine/azithromycine pour contrer la réplication du SARS-COV2

In vitro testing of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin on SARS-CoV-2 shows synergistic effecthttps://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/La-Scola-et-al-V1.pdf …
Like this Tweet

Better yet Dr. Raoult is a climate skeptic.
Via The Ingraham Angle:

thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/huge-second-french-study-by-dr-raoult-finds-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-helped-every-patient-in-study-group-of-80-minus-one-video/


For the naysayers, it has been tested, on it's second run. For the dumasses try chloroquinephosphate (aqyarium cleaner) instead, been tested also by 2 lib idiots.

This is sure to drive trump haters absolutely nuts

Doesn't change a damn thing when a climate denying "scientist" or Dotard J Drumpf tells me they have a miracle drug. We are months if not YEARS more testing away before we have real proof and an approval on this.

/——-/ How about this doctor ?WATCH: NY Doctor says his hospital already using Chloroquine for coronavirus patients and have had ZERO deaths

How about this Cellie - Your story from The Right Scoop (LoL) is almost a month old.
Go to 42 seconds in to see the ginormous refrigeration truck they recently brought in to Lenox Hill to hold bodies.

New York City setting up makeshift morgues as coronavirus deaths surge

NBC's Anne Thompson reports from Lenox Hill hospital in New York City where makeshift morgues are being set up as the number of coronavirus cases and deaths continues to grow.

www.msnbc.com

/----/ We were told there was nothing to worry about. Watch How CNN/MSNBC Kept Saying Coronavirus Is No Problem, the Flu Is Worse | 710 WOR | Mark Simone

We were discussing Lenox Hill my friend -

 

[JoeMoma]

An interesting read by Walter E. Williams that fits right in to this discussion: Walter Williams: FDA Policies Kill

Among the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's responsibilities are approval and regulation of pharmaceutical drugs. In short, its responsibility is to ensure the safety and effectiveness of drugs. In the performance of this task, FDA officials can make two types of errors — statistically known as the type I error and type II error. With respect to the FDA, a type I error is the rejection or delayed approval of a drug that is safe and effective — erring on the side of over-caution — and a type II error is the approval of a drug that has unanticipated dangerous side effects, or erring on the side of under-caution.

Let's examine the incentives of FDA officials. If FDA officials err on the side of under-caution and approve a drug that has unanticipated dangerous side effects, the victims of their mistake will be highly visible. There may be congressional hearings, embarrassment to the agency and officials fired.



It's an entirely different story if FDA officials err on the side of over-caution and either disapprove or delay the approval of a drug that is both safe and effective. In that case, the victims will be invisible. They will have no idea that their suffering could have been eliminated, or in the case of death, their loved ones will have no idea why they died. Their suffering and/or death will be chalked up to the state of medicine rather than the status of an FDA drug application. Their doctor will simply tell them there's nothing more that can be done to help them. The FDA officials go scot-free.

Let's look at some of the history of the FDA's erring on the side of over-caution. Beta blockers reduce the risk of secondary heart attacks and were widely used in Europe during the mid-1970s. The FDA imposed a moratorium on approvals of beta blockers in the U.S. because of their carcinogenicity in animals. Finally, in 1981, the FDA approved the first such drug, boasting that it might save up to 17,000 lives per year. That means that as many as 100,000 people died from secondary heart attacks waiting for FDA approval. Those people are in the "invisible graveyard," a term to describe people who would have lived but died because the cure that could have saved them was bottled up in the FDA's regulatory process.
Today, the Phoenix-based Goldwater Institute is leading the battle to bring some sanity and compassion to the drug approval process. It recently published a paper by Mark Flatten, titled "Studied to Death: FDA Overcaution Brings Deadly Consequences." Flatten examined the FDA's approval process and made some important recommendations. Flatten criticized some FDA practices, saying, "Instead of having to prove a new treatment is safe for its intended use, the FDA now reviews drugs based on how they might be used by doctors to treat individual patients, effectively substituting the judgment of agency regulators for that of practicing medical professionals." He added: "Instead of proving a drug achieves the medically beneficial results that its makers claim, the FDA requires proof the new treatment will improve long-term outcomes. So it is no longer enough, for instance, to prove a new drug will reduce blood glucose levels for diabetics. Drugmakers must show, somehow, that this will make patients live longer."

One Goldwater Institute suggestion is to allow drugs approved in certain other countries, such as Canada and the European Union, to receive nearly automatic U.S. approval. After all, those countries have drug regulatory structures similar to that in the U.S. Why should treatments approved in those countries not be available here?
The Goldwater Institute is also calling for a bill to restore free speech in medicine. It thinks Congress should allow drug manufacturers to provide information about "off-label use." This is a common practice in which doctors prescribe FDA-approved drugs to treat conditions other than those the FDA originally approved them for after new beneficial uses arise.
Strong evidence of FDA over-caution bias comes in the 1974 words of then-FDA Commissioner Alexander M. Schmidt: "In all of FDA's history, I am unable to find a single instance where a congressional committee investigated the failure of FDA to approve a new drug."
Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University.

 

[Lesh]

I have a friend on a vent and he’s being given this drug. No effect yet

it only seems to have an effect on mild cases... and there’s no way to tell what effect it had since mild cases resolve themselves in most cases

 

[miketx]

On a related note, why do drugs always have two names? Ok like Advil(acetaminophen)?