How Will Sen. McCain Make You Wealthy?

[bigbroodmaster]

Support of the incapable is not the same as support/entitlement to the capable but unwilling...

As wards of the state, there are in essence dependents of society... also as persons in that state, they are not out in society as free persons.... I.E. those committed in mental institutions, persons in vegetative states without family, those severely retarded to the point where mental capacity makes them a danger to themselves and/or others, etc...

But why do you do those things? Just because it makes you feel good? Where does the nanny state end? First we take care of retarded people, next we have to take care of severely crippled people? Pregnant women most of the time can't fend for themselves, are you telling me that we have to feed, clothe and house them too?

Imagine if we actually had to support someone who got laid off with no unemployment insurance? Maybe we'd have to support them while they found a job. I mean, you start taking care of retarded people; propping up those who don't work, and you'll start seeing other people trying to ride the free money train too.

I can't believe you'd support this type of socialism. Are you a liberal?

 

[DiamondDave]

But why do you do those things? Just because it makes you feel good? Where does the nanny state end? First we take care of retarded people, next we have to take care of severely crippled people? Pregnant women most of the time can't fend for themselves, are you telling me that we have to feed, clothe and house them too?

Imagine if we actually had to support someone who got laid off with no unemployment insurance? Maybe we'd have to support them while they found a job. I mean, you start taking care of retarded people; propping up those who don't work, and you'll start seeing other people trying to ride the free money train too.

I can't believe you'd support this type of socialism. Are you a liberal?

But you fail to distinguish and make leaps from people who are incapable of taking care of themselves because of severe mental or physical handicap (people who are normally under care and/or committed and legally declared incompetent or incapable), and people who are in a hard situation that CAN and have the capability of doing labor of some sort to take care of themselves

nice try... but that dog don't hunt

 

[bigbroodmaster]

But you fail to distinguish and make leaps from people who are incapable of taking care of themselves because of severe mental or physical handicap (people who are normally under care and/or committed and legally declared incompetent or incapable), and people who are in a hard situation that CAN and have the capability of doing labor of some sort to take care of themselves

nice try... but that dog don't hunt

You still haven't answered why you support taking care of people who have severe handicaps. People who don't work, who are a huge drag on society, people who basically leech off the state and the taxpayer. Is it because of your bleeding heart or something?

 

[DiamondDave]

You still haven't answered why you support taking care of people who have severe handicaps. People who don't work, who are a huge drag on society, people who basically leech off the state and the taxpayer. Is it because of your bleeding heart or something?

Much like a person is protected by society by the police.... you don't leave the incapable to die.... but again, the incapable are not the capable but unwilling... a truly incapable person cannot, by definition, have personal responsibility... as that person who is committed or deemed legally incapable is made the responsibility of a guardian, and that guardian is sometimes the state when there is no surviving family... just as an orphan is a ward of the state until such time as they have someone who will be their guardian or they become an adult and responsible for themselves...

Standing for the elimination of entitlement to the capable is not being without heart or responsibility... though you would love it to be so...

 

[Jon]

As much as I can't stand the guy, I'm going to quote Mike Huckabee once again. "I'm not a Republican because I grew up rich. I'm a Republican because I didn't want to stay poor waiting on the government to save me."

Not exactly on key with the discussion here, but it has a parallel. If you're expecting the government to make you wealthy, you're wasting your time. You make yourself wealthy, or no one will. No matter who cuts/raises taxes, very little will change. If Obama raises taxes on the rich, the rich will raise the price of their goods and services. So you get more in your pocket on your paycheck, and you spend more on your costs of living.

 

[bigbroodmaster]

Much like a person is protected by society by the police.... you don't leave the incapable to die.... but again, the incapable are not the capable but unwilling... a truly incapable person cannot, by definition, have personal responsibility... as that person who is committed or deemed legally incapable is made the responsibility of a guardian, and that guardian is sometimes the state when there is no surviving family... just as an orphan is a ward of the state until such time as they have someone who will be their guardian or they become an adult and responsible for themselves...

Standing for the elimination of entitlement to the capable is not being without heart or responsibility... though you would love it to be so...

Firstly, I don't understand why you are pausing all of the time when you talk.

Secondly, why do you care why people don't work? I certainly don't. I don't care if it's because you're pregnant and single, or if you've been laid off and need money between your former job and your next one, or if you're retarded.

Why, as a person, on my own, a contributer to society, have to use the sweat off my brow to support anyone other than myself and my family?

And the police? Please. I protect myself.

 

[9 Volt]

I was actually a Thompson supporter... I liked McCain more in 2000 than I do now... I am more voting against Obama and his policies, than I am voting for McCain and his policies... but all in all, I agree with more of McCain's policies and stances, than I agree with Obama's... which is how I choose who to vote for in any election

FRED Thompson? Are you kidding me!? His own state laughed at the fact that he threw his name into the hat. Fred's reputation in the senate is one of laziness. His policies are ridulously outdated and he was an embarrasment to his own party...but he was good in Law and Order.

 

[Jon]

Why, as a person, on my own, a contributer to society, have to use the sweat off my brow to support anyone other than myself and my family?

Couldn't agree more, which is precisely why Obama will never, EVER receive my support.

 

[bigbroodmaster]

Couldn't agree more, which is precisely why Obama will never, EVER receive my support.

Exactly, please tell this to Diamond Dave, who seems to think that we have to support non-workers.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Secondly, why do you care why people don't work? I certainly don't. I don't care if it's because you're pregnant and single, or if you've been laid off and need money between your former job and your next one, or if you're retarded.

Why, as a person, on my own, a contributer to society, have to use the sweat off my brow to support anyone other than myself and my family?

And the police? Please. I protect myself.

I can't believe that a decent person would really believe this. Ignorance like this stems from living in a bubble of white bread small town/suburban selfish ease. If you'd ever really had to struggle, and I don't mean eating ramen in college (though I wouldn't believe you if you told me you did) then maybe you would understand the plight of the less fortunate than yourself.

I've never had help from the government but I can understand that people sometimes do and one day I hope you suffer the circumstances that would change your mind and bring you to a better understanding of what it means to be human, and alive: though I doubt you understand what I mean by that.

People like you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 

[DavidS]

I disagree with Obama's appeasement foreign policy..

I'm curious as to why you feel it's appeasment to sit down with our enemies and talk to them?

We did it with North Korea this year and they've dismantled their nuclear weapons.

According to General Petreus, we sat down with our enemies in Iraq, some of them with blood on their hands and we made agreements with them.

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Now are you telling me you disagree with a United States Four-Star General who is largely responsible for quelling the violence in Iraq?

I disagree with a timetable withdraw from any military action that is announced publicly...

We don't have a choice. The Iraqi people have made it very clear that they want us out of Iraq by 2011. By the end of this year, most american military servicemen have to withdraw to bases and begin withdrawing from Iraq. Do you think McCain is going to step in and somehow over-ride our agreement with them? Are we going to collapse a government we helped install because McCain thinks we should be there longer?

I disagree with government subsidized additional healthcare at the expense of other taxpayers...

So do I. Thankfully that's not what Obama's proposing. He is proposing the creation of a health insurance program that people buy premiums into just like a private health insurance company. In the beginning, the government has to pay to set it up, but with people paying for different plans and such, I'm sure down the line this will become profitable like every other health insurance company out there.

I disagree with Obama's voting record on educational matters in the past, including curriculum choices...

I must admit my ignorance on this. I don't know much about this. Can you provide me with the resources you used to learn about it?

I disagree with an even more graduated punishment tax table..

You mean you disagree with millionaires paying 3% additional in taxes?

I disagree that people paying no income taxes should receive tax payments back from the government at the expense of others..

Who pays no income tax? What do you think FICA is?

I disagree with Obama's support of late term abortions..

I do too. I think late-term abortions should be banned unless it's for the health of the mother. There is a difference between late term abortions and partial birth abortions which should should be banned no matter what. It's disgusting.

I disagree with the thought of more liberal justices that could be appointed to the supreme court...

How do you feel about the voting record of the Supreme Court since Bush took office?

I disagree with alternatives as the only solution to energy independence, and fully believe that it should be done in combination with using more of our oil and natural gas resources as well as the advancement of nuke plant use...

If you don't mind me asking, why should we drill for oil and spend billions of dollars of our resources to do so, when we could get natural gas which is a heck of a lot cheaper and much cleaner? I think we should be very agressive in getting our cars on natural gas and completely rid ourselves of Arab oil.

I do not believe Obama in relation to his associations with highly questionable persons that range from flat our racists to unrepentant terrorists....

Well, you have a right to question his assoication with Wright. But Bill Ayres wrote a letter to the families of the people he hurt after the 9/11 attacks and apologized to them. They forgave him. So he's not unrepetant. The government was never able to persecute Ayres.

I believe in McCain's wish to attack earmark spending..

Do you know that John Kyl asks for hundreds of billions in earmarks for Arizona? Much more so than many other senators. So while John McCain, specifically, does not ask for earmarks, the other Senator of Arizona basically asks for the earmarks that McCain doesn't. And he's granted them. Additionally, John McCain signed a bill that had $180 billion in earmarks in it just a few weeks ago. Don't you think this is a bit contradicatary?

I believe in McCain's approach to Iraq, as a vet I believe this to be the more correct approach...

Again see above.

I agree with McCain on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds...

I'm not sure I've seen either two candidates' positions on affirimative action, however; I too am against using federal money for it.

I agree with his vote on requiring photo ID for voting in elections... I agree with McCain that Gitmo terrorist detainees are not afforded the same honorable rights as US citizens or enemy military combatants...

They should be. What are we doing down there anyway? We have a prison for captured terrorists but we're not giving them any trials, but we're paying for them to be there. If we have evidence, we should use the evidence, try them and either lock them away or put them before a firing squad. But we can't just keep them there.

I agree with McCain on eliminating the "marriage penalty" and eliminating the "death tax"...

Why didn't Bush do this?

 

[bigbroodmaster]

I can't believe that a decent person would really believe this. Ignorance like this stems from living in a bubble of white bread small town/suburban selfish ease. If you'd ever really had to struggle, and I don't mean eating ramen in college (though I wouldn't believe you if you told me you did) then maybe you would understand the plight of the less fortunate than yourself.

I've never had help from the government but I can understand that people sometimes do and one day I hope you suffer the circumstances that would change your mind and bring you to a better understanding of what it means to be human, and alive: though I doubt you understand what I mean by that.

People like you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Pssst. I don't think you 'get' what I'm trying to do. Hint: read Diamond Dave's posts.

 

[Elyk88]

By lowering taxes for big corporations? How will that make you rich?

By lowering taxes for the wealthy 1%? How will that make you rich?

Someone please explain to me McCain's plans to make us all wealthy.

And someone show me how Sen. Obama's plans will keep us from acquiring wealth. It seems to me that providing better opportunities for health care, education, and cutting taxes for most people and small businesses not only allows for more opportunities to gain wealth, but allows the middle classes a chance to avoid poverty. Doesn't that provided financial security and stability, in the end, allow for more spending, which will grow the economy, which will raise profits, which will expand businesses, which will increase hiring, which will allow more people the opportunity to gain wealth as well as making the wealthy richer, and so on and so forth ad infinitum?

It's either...

Incentive to work hard so you can keep your money.

or

Be handed more money by the government thereby making people feel like they don't have to work as hard.

It's not the government's job to make you wealthy..if anything its to aid and inspire you to work hard and earn it yourself.

However...under McCain, I believe I would desire to work harder thereby earning myself more money - wealth.

The more the government makes things easier on me...the less incentive I will have to work hard later seeing as I can just rely on them to bail me out.

 

[Jon]

I've never had help from the government but I can understand that people sometimes do.

Needing help from the government because you were laid off is one thing. That's why employers pay unemployment insurance. If you don't qualify, it's because:

1. You weren't working full-time.
2. You don't want to work full-time.

Either way, tough shit, it's your fault.

But living off of government programs is disgusting. I have absolutely no pity for the people that do. If those programs were cut off and those people were forced to find jobs, you have no idea what that would do to our economy. One of two things would happen: they'd make more money, thus spending more money, thus expanding businesses; or they'd die, meaning we don't have to feed them. Darwinism at its best.

 

[Elyk88]

Needing help from the government because you were laid off is one thing. That's why employers pay unemployment insurance. If you don't qualify, it's because:

1. You weren't working full-time.
2. You don't want to work full-time.

Either way, tough shit, it's your fault.

But living off of government programs is disgusting. I have absolutely no pity for the people that do. If those programs were cut off and those people were forced to find jobs, you have no idea what that would do to our economy. One of two things would happen: they'd make more money, thus spending more money, thus expanding businesses; or they'd die, meaning we don't have to feed them. Darwinism at its best.

Exactly.

Help is spelt H-E-L-P

not H-A-N-D-O-U-T

 

[Redneck]

Seems to me some here don't know the diff between a "handup" and a "handout"







BTW...Anyone who votes for Obama and makes more than $40,000 a year...Invest in K-Y....Your gonna need it...

 

[9 Volt]

Needing help from the government because you were laid off is one thing. That's why employers pay unemployment insurance. If you don't qualify, it's because:

1. You weren't working full-time.
2. You don't want to work full-time.

Either way, tough shit, it's your fault.

But living off of government programs is disgusting. I have absolutely no pity for the people that do. If those programs were cut off and those people were forced to find jobs, you have no idea what that would do to our economy. One of two things would happen: they'd make more money, thus spending more money, thus expanding businesses; or they'd die, meaning we don't have to feed them. Darwinism at its best.

You forgot about resorting to crime, which would cause further decay in inner cities, which would require expanded police activity, which would result in taxpayers footing an even larger bill.

 

[DiamondDave]

I'm curious as to why you feel it's appeasment to sit down with our enemies and talk to them?

We did it with North Korea this year and they've dismantled their nuclear weapons.

According to General Petreus, we sat down with our enemies in Iraq, some of them with blood on their hands and we made agreements with them.

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Now are you telling me you disagree with a United States Four-Star General who is largely responsible for quelling the violence in Iraq?

Nice try.... nice attempt at misdirection... but that dog don't hunt...

It is not about 'not talking with our enemies'... but doing it with the proper pressure and proper preconditions... we had immense presure on the enemy in Iraq, and we have the presence in Iraq to sit down with many types of influential people and groups there... with NK, we have the absolute upper hand... but appeasing and meeting with Whack-madinejad without the pressure and without preconditions is flat out wrong

We don't have a choice. The Iraqi people have made it very clear that they want us out of Iraq by 2011. By the end of this year, most american military servicemen have to withdraw to bases and begin withdrawing from Iraq. Do you think McCain is going to step in and somehow over-ride our agreement with them? Are we going to collapse a government we helped install because McCain thinks we should be there longer?

We work with Oraq on the continuing support, drawbacks, etc... but you still do NOT announce the timetable on how you are going to do things.. you also do not leave until the job is done... Obama is flat out WRONG on Iraq

So do I. Thankfully that's not what Obama's proposing. He is proposing the creation of a health insurance program that people buy premiums into just like a private health insurance company. In the beginning, the government has to pay to set it up, but with people paying for different plans and such, I'm sure down the line this will become profitable like every other health insurance company out there.

Which is not the job of the government.... the government has to 'pay' to set it up thru the wealth redistribution policies of the far leftist Obama... quite against the concept of liberty and equality... and besides the Post Office, what other government program or agency is profitable?

I must admit my ignorance on this. I don't know much about this. Can you provide me with the resources you used to learn about it?

Look up his stances and support on sex ed for grades k-3

You mean you disagree with millionaires paying 3% additional in taxes?

I disagree with anyone being taxed at a higher % rate than anyone else... blind equality, just as justice is blind... take a wild stab at how much in taxes will be taken out of every dollar earned by those making over 250K... just on the fed level if you choose, but if you like look at the overall... do you actually think it is right that more than 1/2 of your earnings get taken away in taxation?

Who pays no income tax? What do you think FICA is?

FICA is not income tax... it is social security tax.. which is SUPPOSED to be like a retirement fund for all citizens.. there are huge numbers of people who do not pay any income tax whatsoever, and would receive 'rebate' checks from Obama even though they have no income tax... that is Robin Hood wealth redistribution... P-E-R-I-O-D

I do too. I think late-term abortions should be banned unless it's for the health of the mother. There is a difference between late term abortions and partial birth abortions which should should be banned no matter what. It's disgusting.

We have 1 point of agreement

How do you feel about the voting record of the Supreme Court since Bush took office?

Not bad but still very upset of the leanings toward legislation from the bench... I wish to see constitutionalist judges appointed... not liberal activist judges

If you don't mind me asking, why should we drill for oil and spend billions of dollars of our resources to do so, when we could get natural gas which is a heck of a lot cheaper and much cleaner? I think we should be very agressive in getting our cars on natural gas and completely rid ourselves of Arab oil.

To not limit ourselves.. not every vehicle is going to be built to run on natural gas and not every existing vehicle will be converted.. plus our infrastructure is built for gas currently and it will take a long time to convert away from that...

Well, you have a right to question his assoication with Wright. But Bill Ayres wrote a letter to the families of the people he hurt after the 9/11 attacks and apologized to them. They forgave him. So he's not unrepetant. The government was never able to persecute Ayres.

Yet Ayers still wishes he did more... the fucker should have been rotting in a jail cell for the rest of his life... the fucker is out on a pure technicality.. there's a special place in hell for that fuck, and Obama was starting his career on his shoulders

Do you know that John Kyl asks for hundreds of billions in earmarks for Arizona? Much more so than many other senators. So while John McCain, specifically, does not ask for earmarks, the other Senator of Arizona basically asks for the earmarks that McCain doesn't. And he's granted them. Additionally, John McCain signed a bill that had $180 billion in earmarks in it just a few weeks ago. Don't you think this is a bit contradicatary?

Kyle is not McCain.. please show the last time McCain asked for an earmark... I'll be waiting

I'm not sure I've seen either two candidates' positions on affirimative action, however; I too am against using federal money for it.

Affirmative action is racism.. .pure and simple... it is against equality and judging someone purely by their own merits... I want it out of the Fed, and I would also call for it to be completely repealed... but the libbies will not let that happen

They should be. What are we doing down there anyway? We have a prison for captured terrorists but we're not giving them any trials, but we're paying for them to be there. If we have evidence, we should use the evidence, try them and either lock them away or put them before a firing squad. But we can't just keep them there.

They are not soldiers under a military of a country.. they are not US citizens... they are not even legal guests of the US via visa who committed a crime... they do not deserve the same treatment of honor that we afford to captured enemy soldiers

Why didn't Bush do this?

Dunno... but this is not about Bush

 

[Care4all]

personally, i want more of our tax money back....$1080 from obama vs $180 from McCain.... no brainer to me!

 

[DiamondDave]

personally, i want more of our tax money back....$1080 from obama vs $180 from McCain.... no brainer to me!

Personally.. I want equality...