How to reduce violent crime, if that is the actual goal, and it doesn't involve banning guns for normal people.

alang1216 said:
Are there people out there that can't purchase a firearm? Seems like plenty manage to do it, even in DC the restrictions don't seem too onerous:

Under District and US law, an applicant must:
  • Not stand convicted of certain weapons offenses, or a felony in this or any other jurisdiction (which includes all crimes punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year).
  • Not be under indictment for a crime of violence or a weapons offense.
  • Not be a fugitive from justice.
  • Within the previous five years:
    • Not stand convicted: (1) of a narcotics or dangerous drug offense; (2) under D.C. Official Code § 22-404 (assaults and threats) or § 22-407 (threats to do bodily harm), or a violation of a similar statute in another jurisdiction; (3) of two or more violations of driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs; (4) of an intrafamily offense punishable as a misdemeanor; (5) of a misdemeanor involving certain firearms violations. (6) Stalking; or (7) violation of an Extreme Risk Protection Order.
    • Not have been acquitted of any criminal charge by reason of insanity or adjudicated a chronic alcoholic by any court.
    • Not have been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to any mental hospital or institution.
    • Not have a history of violent behavior.
    • Not have been the respondent in an intrafamily proceeding in which a civil protection order or a foreign protection order was issued against the applicant.
  • Not appear to suffer from a physical defect which would make it unsafe to possess and use a firearm safely and responsibly.
  • Not have been found negligent in any firearm mishap causing death or injury to another human being.
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With all those restrictions, seems only police should have guns.

and maybe not some of them
 
alang1216 said:
Are there people out there that can't purchase a firearm? Seems like plenty manage to do it, even in DC the restrictions don't seem too onerous:

Under District and US law, an applicant must:
  • Not stand convicted of certain weapons offenses, or a felony in this or any other jurisdiction (which includes all crimes punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year).
  • Not be under indictment for a crime of violence or a weapons offense.
  • Not be a fugitive from justice.
  • Within the previous five years:
    • Not stand convicted: (1) of a narcotics or dangerous drug offense; (2) under D.C. Official Code § 22-404 (assaults and threats) or § 22-407 (threats to do bodily harm), or a violation of a similar statute in another jurisdiction; (3) of two or more violations of driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs; (4) of an intrafamily offense punishable as a misdemeanor; (5) of a misdemeanor involving certain firearms violations. (6) Stalking; or (7) violation of an Extreme Risk Protection Order.
    • Not have been acquitted of any criminal charge by reason of insanity or adjudicated a chronic alcoholic by any court.
    • Not have been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to any mental hospital or institution.
    • Not have a history of violent behavior.
    • Not have been the respondent in an intrafamily proceeding in which a civil protection order or a foreign protection order was issued against the applicant.
  • Not appear to suffer from a physical defect which would make it unsafe to possess and use a firearm safely and responsibly.
  • Not have been found negligent in any firearm mishap causing death or injury to another human being.
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Of course there are people out there that can't legally-purchase a firearm. But it's not the gun's fault, nor is it law-abiding gun-owner's fault. We already have more than enough laws on the books needed to prevent ineligible people from possessing firearms. How about just enforcing those laws and passing the sentences that go along with the crimes, instead of liberal prosecutors letting them go free?

Being a decent, law-abiding gun-owner myself, I have no problem seeing gun-violators charges with stiff sentences. Hell, we even have at least several members on here who openly admit to being regular users of marijuana, a Schedule I controlled substance, while being in the possession of a firearm. Yet they scoff at the law.
 
JGalt said:
Of course there are people out there that can't legally-purchase a firearm. But it's not the gun's fault, nor is it law-abiding gun-owner's fault. We already have more than enough laws on the books needed to prevent ineligible people from possessing firearms. How about just enforcing those laws and passing the sentences that go along with the crimes, instead of liberal prosecutors letting them go free?

Being a decent, law-abiding gun-owner myself, I have no problem seeing gun-violators charges with stiff sentences. Hell, we even have at least several members on here who openly admit to being regular users of marijuana, a Schedule I controlled substance, while being in the possession of a firearm. Yet they scoff at the law.
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So you agree there some people that should not be able to own a firearm. People like the ones listed by DC. The rules seem reasonable to me but if they're not enforced that is quite another issue. They certainly should be enforced.
 
alang1216 said:
I have no issue being tough on violent criminals but it is hard to feel sorry for US gun owners. There are hundreds of millions of legal guns in this country so it seems they are easy to come by for anyone who wants one.
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You can't feel sorry for normal people who are the victims of crime....typical leftist asshole.
 
JoeB131 said:
How does that address the 50% of homicides and 100% of suicides that are domestic violence.

We already lock up 2 million people. We have another 7 million on probation or parole. If locking people up were the answer, we'd be there already.

The Europeans and Japanese ban guns or limit who can own them, they lock very few people up, and they have nowhere near our crime levels.

Imagine that.

Waiting for Dick Tiny to fill the thread with NRA Spooge.
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Domestic violence primarily by criminals harming their baby mommas.....criminals who should be in jail, but are out, living with their baby mommas.......

Japan is a police state...you hate our police, and yet you praise a country where the police can do almost anything to anyone........you are an idiot.

The Europeans are beginning to reap what they sowed with their immigration policies......violent, immigrant drug gangs prefer fully automatic military rifles and grenades when they attack each other, and their attacks are increasing...just ask Sweden.......you dope.
 
Moonglow said:
The right is focusing on drag queens yet drag queens are not the leading killer of children like firearms, why does the right ignore the real danger to children while having everyone chase after drag queens?
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Guns are not the leading cause of deaths with children, you lying asshole.......cars are.

First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
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Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
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In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
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We are also wary when a single change in the data set — from age 18 to 17 — reduces the number enough that the statistic is no longer correct.

Biden’s startling statistic on school-age gun deaths
 
alang1216 said:
Are there people out there that can't purchase a firearm? Seems like plenty manage to do it, even in DC the restrictions don't seem too onerous:

Under District and US law, an applicant must:
  • Not stand convicted of certain weapons offenses, or a felony in this or any other jurisdiction (which includes all crimes punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year).
  • Not be under indictment for a crime of violence or a weapons offense.
  • Not be a fugitive from justice.
  • Within the previous five years:
    • Not stand convicted: (1) of a narcotics or dangerous drug offense; (2) under D.C. Official Code § 22-404 (assaults and threats) or § 22-407 (threats to do bodily harm), or a violation of a similar statute in another jurisdiction; (3) of two or more violations of driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs; (4) of an intrafamily offense punishable as a misdemeanor; (5) of a misdemeanor involving certain firearms violations. (6) Stalking; or (7) violation of an Extreme Risk Protection Order.
    • Not have been acquitted of any criminal charge by reason of insanity or adjudicated a chronic alcoholic by any court.
    • Not have been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to any mental hospital or institution.
    • Not have a history of violent behavior.
    • Not have been the respondent in an intrafamily proceeding in which a civil protection order or a foreign protection order was issued against the applicant.
  • Not appear to suffer from a physical defect which would make it unsafe to possess and use a firearm safely and responsibly.
  • Not have been found negligent in any firearm mishap causing death or injury to another human being.
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You twit....good thing you brought up D.C....since the vast majority if those committing gun crime in the District are repeat offenders, released by democrat party judges and prosecutors...while you bitch about normal gun owners who don't use their guns for any crime.....

Do you think the following criminals met any of those standards? And yet they are out and free, walking the streets because of the democrats....

A study finds that suspects in violent crime in the District share a lot of characteristics.

The National Institute for Criminal Justice Reform looked at the numbers for homicides and nonfatal shooting in D.C. in 2019 and 2020, and found that “most gun violence is tightly concentrated on a small number of very high-risk young Black male adults that share a common set of risk factors.”

Those factors include involvements in street crews, a previous criminal justice history and connection to a recent shooting. Often, they’ve been the victims of crime themselves. While the motive for the shooting “may not be a traditional gang war,” the report says, “often shootings are precipitated by a petty conflict over a young woman, a simple argument, or the now-ubiquitous social media slight.”
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More than 90% of victims and suspects in 2019 and 2020 were male and about 96% were Black.

The study also found that another 86% of victims and suspects have been involved with the criminal justice system and the average age of victims is 31, while the average age of suspects is 27 years old.

They found that, in terms of prior arrests, “victims and suspects were remarkably similar.”

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alang1216 said:
Are there people out there that can't purchase a firearm? Seems like plenty manage to do it, even in DC the restrictions don't seem too onerous:

Under District and US law, an applicant must:
  • Not stand convicted of certain weapons offenses, or a felony in this or any other jurisdiction (which includes all crimes punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year).
  • Not be under indictment for a crime of violence or a weapons offense.
  • Not be a fugitive from justice.
  • Within the previous five years:
    • Not stand convicted: (1) of a narcotics or dangerous drug offense; (2) under D.C. Official Code § 22-404 (assaults and threats) or § 22-407 (threats to do bodily harm), or a violation of a similar statute in another jurisdiction; (3) of two or more violations of driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs; (4) of an intrafamily offense punishable as a misdemeanor; (5) of a misdemeanor involving certain firearms violations. (6) Stalking; or (7) violation of an Extreme Risk Protection Order.
    • Not have been acquitted of any criminal charge by reason of insanity or adjudicated a chronic alcoholic by any court.
    • Not have been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to any mental hospital or institution.
    • Not have a history of violent behavior.
    • Not have been the respondent in an intrafamily proceeding in which a civil protection order or a foreign protection order was issued against the applicant.
  • Not appear to suffer from a physical defect which would make it unsafe to possess and use a firearm safely and responsibly.
  • Not have been found negligent in any firearm mishap causing death or injury to another human being.
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And more...the actual D.C. study....

About 96 percent of victims and suspects in both homicides and nonfatal shootings were Black, despite Black residents comprising only 46 percent of the overall population in the District (Table 1).
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Approximately 86 percent of homicide victims and suspects were known to the criminal justice system prior to the incident. Among all victims and suspects, about 46 percent had been previously incarcerated (Figure 2).


At least 23.3 percent of all homicide victims and suspects were under active supervision (i.e., CSOSA, PSA, or DYRS)1. At least 64 percent of all victims and suspects had been under any prior or active supervision and at least 76% of homicide suspects had active or prior supervision.
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Overall, most victims and suspects with prior criminal offenses had been arrested about 11 times for about 13 different offenses by the time of the homicide. This count only refers to adult arrests and juvenile arrests were not included.
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In Washington, DC, most gun violence is tightly concentrated on a small number of very high risk young Black male adults that share a common set of risk factors, including: involvement in street crews/groups; significant criminal justice history including prior or active community supervision; often prior victimization; and a connection to a recent shooting (within the past 12 months).


While the majority of people involved in shootings, as victim or suspect, are members or associates of street groups/gangs, the motive for the shooting may not be a traditional gang war.

Often shootings are precipitated by a petty conflict over a young woman, a simple argument, or the now ubiquitous social media slight.
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This small number of very high risk individuals are identifiable, their violence is predictable, and therefore it is preventable. Based on the assessment of data and the series of interviews conducted, NICJR estimates that within a year, there are at least 500 identifiable people who rise to this level of very high risk, and likely no more than 200 at any one given time. These individuals comprise approximately 60-70% of all gun violence in the District. Nealy 250 specific individuals were identified through the GVPA process but more importantly, the risk factors that make someone at very high risk has been identified in order to develop an on-going process to focus intervention efforts on those at very high risk.

https://cjcc.dc.gov/sites/default/f... Violence Problem Analysis Summary Report.pdf
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JoeB131 said:
The Europeans and Japanese ban guns or limit who can own them, they lock very few people up, and they have nowhere near our crime levels.
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With all due respect (I am NOT being sarcastic), both Europe and (especially) Japan have population profiles far different from that of the United States.

To be frank (but still civil), if certain folks were to leave the United States for, say, one month, during that time the violent crime rates would drop to more normal levels.
 
JoeB131 said:
How does that address the 50% of homicides and 100% of suicides that are domestic violence.

We already lock up 2 million people. We have another 7 million on probation or parole. If locking people up were the answer, we'd be there already.

The Europeans and Japanese ban guns or limit who can own them, they lock very few people up, and they have nowhere near our crime levels.

Imagine that.

Waiting for Dick Tiny to fill the thread with NRA Spooge.
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Oh, hey, did you ever find that advertising you insisted the "gun industry" is doing? You remember, that stuff you went all Adam Schiff about.
 
2aguy said:
And more...the actual D.C. study....

About 96 percent of victims and suspects in both homicides and nonfatal shootings were Black, despite Black residents comprising only 46 percent of the overall population in the District (Table 1).
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Approximately 86 percent of homicide victims and suspects were known to the criminal justice system prior to the incident. Among all victims and suspects, about 46 percent had been previously incarcerated (Figure 2).


At least 23.3 percent of all homicide victims and suspects were under active supervision (i.e., CSOSA, PSA, or DYRS)1. At least 64 percent of all victims and suspects had been under any prior or active supervision and at least 76% of homicide suspects had active or prior supervision.
------
Overall, most victims and suspects with prior criminal offenses had been arrested about 11 times for about 13 different offenses by the time of the homicide. This count only refers to adult arrests and juvenile arrests were not included.
-------

In Washington, DC, most gun violence is tightly concentrated on a small number of very high risk young Black male adults that share a common set of risk factors, including: involvement in street crews/groups; significant criminal justice history including prior or active community supervision; often prior victimization; and a connection to a recent shooting (within the past 12 months).


While the majority of people involved in shootings, as victim or suspect, are members or associates of street groups/gangs, the motive for the shooting may not be a traditional gang war.

Often shootings are precipitated by a petty conflict over a young woman, a simple argument, or the now ubiquitous social media slight.
-----
This small number of very high risk individuals are identifiable, their violence is predictable, and therefore it is preventable. Based on the assessment of data and the series of interviews conducted, NICJR estimates that within a year, there are at least 500 identifiable people who rise to this level of very high risk, and likely no more than 200 at any one given time. These individuals comprise approximately 60-70% of all gun violence in the District. Nealy 250 specific individuals were identified through the GVPA process but more importantly, the risk factors that make someone at very high risk has been identified in order to develop an on-going process to focus intervention efforts on those at very high risk.

https://cjcc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/cjcc/release_content/attachments/DC Gun Violence Problem Analysis Summary Report.pdf
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Seems most of these kids can't legally own/carry a gun. I'd be with a mandatory prison sentence for such possession.
 
2aguy said:
You twit....good thing you brought up D.C....since the vast majority if those committing gun crime in the District are repeat offenders, released by democrat party judges and prosecutors...while you bitch about normal gun owners who don't use their guns for any crime.....

Do you think the following criminals met any of those standards? And yet they are out and free, walking the streets because of the democrats....
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I didn't bring up DC and I never voted for any DC politician. Ever.
 
2aguy said:
You can't feel sorry for normal people who are the victims of crime....typical leftist asshole.
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You mean the normal people that already own hundreds of millions of guns? Do you think a few more will make them safer?
 
M14 Shooter said:
We don't want you to feel sorry.
We want you to respect our rights and the protections afforded to them.
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Fair enough, assuming you are willing to respect my rights and the protections afforded to me and my family.
 
2aguy said:
The democrats don't care about gun crime...in fact, high levels of gun crime help their gun banning agenda. This is one of the benefits they get by releasing violent gun offenders over and over again......more gun crime, which allows them to push gun control.....that only affects law abiding gun owners.

Here are actual solutions to violent crime...if that is the goal.....reducing violent crime, rather than simply using violent crime as an excuse to ban guns......

Former federal prosecutor Tom Hogan sat down with PragerU to break down four policy changes that could rapidly reverse that trend.

  1. Target the “power few”
  2. Go after the drug dealers and gun toting felons
  3. Unite cops and prosecutors
  4. Keep the bad actors in jail


“None of these solutions are theoretical: they’re street tested and backed by rigorous studies,” Hogan said. “They’re constitutional, and cost effective. While each one will reduce crime on its own, taken together, they can transform a city, not in decades, but within a year or two.”

Hogan first notes that violence follows predictable patterns — it usually takes place in a handful of “crime hot spots,” disproportionately on nights and weekends and during the summer. Furthermore, a very small share of offenders commit the majority of violent crimes.

“In any given city, just 5% of criminals are responsible for 50% of all violent crimes,” Hogan said. “I want to make this abundantly clear: it’s not 5% of the total population of the city … it’s 5% of the criminals.”

By focusing on these “hot spots” and getting a relative handful of serial offenders off the streets, police can have an outsized impact on violent crime.

Similarly, drug dealers and felons with illegally acquired firearms are valuable targets — not only are they career criminals themselves, but they’re also intimately connected to criminal networks that smuggle illicit goods across the country and have witnessed far more crimes than they have perpetrated. When faced with harsh sentences, they will often flip and provide valuable information on other cases in exchange for leniency.

Hogan also stresses the need for police and prosecutors to collaborate throughout the process to avoid legal slip ups or sloppy presentation of evidence.
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Finally, Hogan stresses the need for longer sentencing, citing two studies by the U.S. Sentencing Commission, which found that sentences in excess of five years were correlated with lower rates of recidivism.

While the intuitive understanding that the threat of longer sentences disincentivize crime is applicable, Hogan also cites the age-crime curve, a widely observed statistical phenomenon that shows that criminal aggression in males peaks in late adolescence.

“Most violent criminals commit the majority of their crimes from their late teens into their 20s,” Hogan noted.

www.dailywire.com

WATCH: PragerU Explains ‘How To Make Our Cities Safer’

Crime rates across the U.S. have steadily risen since the start of the 2020s, in stark contrast to the steady decline seen since the 1990s. Former federal prosecutor Tom Hogan sat down with PragerU to break down four policy changes that could rapidly reverse that trend. Target the “power few” Go...
www.dailywire.com www.dailywire.com
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That's why "three strikes laws" were so effective at lowering crime rates. The career criminals were locked up and couldn't prey on society with impunity anymore.
 
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