Zone1 How to make baseball more intense...and more interesting....

[hjmick]

yep....the guy has no idea how hard it is to hit a ball...

It's even harder to hit a bird...

Remember this:




Still amazing...

 

[Harry Dresden]

I used to live out near the Bay Area and as crappy as the old Coliseum looked, the actual atmosphere at the park was pretty cool. I liked A's fans better than Giants fans, and I'm an NL guy. If MLB's gonna get people to build stadiums I'm sure Sacramento or somewhere near there wouldn't have been a hard sell. It's just an hour away (if that) on I-80. Maybe Vacaville or some place like that. They could have drawn from both Sac-town and the East Bay. And the fans would have had the team's back.

Las Vegas? Like where's the fanbase from? I honestly think the Raiders and A's will both fail miserably. The Knights will succeed. That's a good franchise, a good concept. They market well. And hockey games are easier to sell out than MLB or NFL.

the raiders avg 62 thousand a game....but you are right about a fan base.... they say that a hell of lot of the fans are from out of town....one guy said most games they estimate 40% are out of towners....when i lived in Anaheim the yankees,red sox and the dodgers had big fan bases at angel games...

 

[MarathonMike]

STL blacked out. I'll take Cleve to beat OAK or is it LV? Or is it SACRAMENTO?


Severing is still pitching. Hold on. No im not drinking or drugging as of now.

By some miracle I've seen both home games of the D-backs since the All-Star break. Watching right now. Suarez has 2 HRs and just passed Ohtani with 33 homers.

 

[leftwinger]

By some miracle I've seen both home games of the D-backs since the All-Star break. Watching right now. Suarez has 2 HRs and just passed Ohtani with 33 homers.

I just edited my post.

 

[multivita-man]

the raiders avg 62 thousand a game....but you are right about a fan base.... they say that a hell of lot of the fans are from out of town....one guy said most games they estimate 40% are out of towners....when i lived in Anaheim the yankees,red sox and the dodgers had big fan bases at angel games...

The Raiders might hang on because a lot of peeps in Las Vegas come from Los Angeles, which still has some Raiders fans from their time in LA.

This is getting off-topic but another reason I have concerns about Vegas is that I think there are limits to how much it can grow and we're going to see that soon. It's already over-consuming water. Vegas can't realistically get much bigger than it already is. To some degree, Southern California has the same problem, but they can at least set up some desalination near the coast at some point.

 

[leftwinger]

The Raiders might hang on because a lot of peeps in Las Vegas come from Los Angeles, which still has some Raiders fans from their time in LA.

This is getting off-topic but another reason I have concerns about Vegas is that I think there are limits to how much it can grow and we're going to see that soon. It's already over-consuming water. Vegas can't realistically get much bigger than it already is. To some degree, Southern California has the same problem, but they can at least set up some desalination near the coast at some point.

Ain't no spoiled LA orange county or Beverly hills going to shower or drink bad tasting ocean water with Mexico flushing crap up north. From Tijuana.

 

[multivita-man]

Ain't no spoiled LA orange county or Beverly hills going to shower or drink bad tasting ocean water with Mexico flushing crap up north. From Tijuana.

Well they treat it...supposedly.

In the end they're just gonna have to pay a shit load more than they do now for drinkable water. Fun times. Eventually, fun times for us all, but some places (like SoCal) will experience the fun sooner than the rest of us. I'm gonna retire on the Great Lakes lol.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The Raiders might hang on because a lot of peeps in Las Vegas come from Los Angeles, which still has some Raiders fans from their time in LA.

This is getting off-topic but another reason I have concerns about Vegas is that I think there are limits to how much it can grow and we're going to see that soon. It's already over-consuming water. Vegas can't realistically get much bigger than it already is. To some degree, Southern California has the same problem, but they can at least set up some desalination near the coast at some point.

i dont want more people here but you should see all the dam houses that have been built in the last 5 years.....and Vegas from what i read, is one of the best examples of water usage in the country......thats what i read from some national water resource company...

 

[multivita-man]

i dont want more people here but you should see all the dam houses that have been built in the last 5 years.....

I don't doubt that for a bit, but finance has a way of ignoring ecological reality. Those are...what do we call them...externalities?

Look, I get it: people who go full-on street preacher these days are a dime a dozen. But that part of the country has seen mega-droughts before and with a much smaller and less complex civilization. That civilization disappeared. I don't think Vegas disappears but it's going to run into limits, as will much of the SW USA.

and Vegas from what i read, is one of the best examples of water usage in the country......thats what i read from some national water resource company...

It has to be.

 

[Harry Dresden]

they

I don't doubt that for a bit, but finance has a way of ignoring ecological reality. Those are...what do we call them...externalities?

Look, I get it: people who go full-on street preacher these days are a dime a dozen. But that part of the country has seen mega-droughts before and with a much smaller and less complex civilization. That civilization disappeared. I don't think Vegas disappears but it's going to run into limits, as will much of the SW USA.



It has to be.

they send out things about watering and we can do this and that....and then i see all these houses being built with trees and shrubbery lining the streets....they tell us conserve water and here they are bringing in more people and vegetation that is going to need more water....

 

[multivita-man]

they

they send out things about watering and we can do this and that....and then i see all these houses being built with trees and shrubbery lining the streets....they tell us conserve water and here they are bringing in more people and vegetation that is going to need more water....

Bingo.

Banks/investors aren't looking at water restrictions and aren't telling new home buyers/investors about them - that's for them to figure out. But it's a problem that local governments and citizens are living.

I'll shut up now - I've turned a baseball thread into something else. My bad.

 

[rightwinger]

I think baseball's biggest problem is MLBs greed. They've made the sport unaffordable for families to go watch a game and they've taken it off of mainstream TV in a lot of ways.

What gets me is those front row seats behind home plate. The luxury seats that go for $1000. That is the view you get when the batter is up and most of them are empty.

Do like an airplane does with first class and move up a season ticket holder

 

[multivita-man]

What gets me is those front row seats behind home plate. The luxury seats that go for $1000. That is the view you get when the batter is up and most of them are empty.

Do like an airplane does with first class and move up a season ticket holder

MLB's financial model is unsustainable IMO.

 

[rightwinger]

MLB's financial model is unsustainable IMO.

Lot of $30-$50 million players and many teams over $300 million payroll

Rays just sold for $1.5 billion probably the least expensive franchise

 

[multivita-man]

Lot of $30-$50 million players and many teams over $300 million payroll

Rays just sold for $1.5 billion probably the least expensive franchise

TB has major attendance problems, as do maybe a dozen others. The bottom 10 in attendance are drawing barely a million (maybe 1.5 million) over the course of a season.

The Cardinals, who have been above .500 most of the season, used to be in the top 5 in attendance but have started to decline and are now about at the league median. Even when they were ho-hum in the past, they'd still draw in the top 10 easily, but fans are having a harder time just showing up to games because it's a way to kill a few hours with the family. I think this is playing in multiple cities.

 

[rightwinger]

TB has major attendance problems, as do maybe a dozen others. The bottom 10 in attendance are drawing barely a million (maybe 1.5 million) over the course of a season.

The Cardinals, who have been above .500 most of the season, used to be in the top 5 in attendance but have started to decline and are now about at the league median. Even when they were ho-hum in the past, they'd still draw in the top 10 easily, but fans are having a harder time just showing up to games because it's a way to kill a few hours with the family. I think this is playing in multiple cities.

Taking the kids to a ball game is no longer a family friendly expense.
Minor League games are still affordable

 

[Sparker]

Ignore the MLB. It went out of business or moved to Brazil. Watch high school and college games, at the schools. And minor league if that's convenient. Assume baseball is not broadcast anymore on TV, or it's on some premium service and you can't be bothered to remember which service.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ignore the MLB. It went out of business or moved to Brazil. Watch high school and college games, at the schools. And minor league if that's convenient. Assume baseball is not broadcast anymore on TV, or it's on some premium service and you can't be bothered to remember which service.

why dont you do that....ill keep watching the bigs....

 

[rightwinger]

Ignore the MLB. It went out of business or moved to Brazil. Watch high school and college games, at the schools. And minor league if that's convenient. Assume baseball is not broadcast anymore on TV, or it's on some premium service and you can't be bothered to remember which service.

The quality of the players has improved significantly. Pitching skills are unbelievable
Unfortunately the shift to metrics has made the game unwatchable

 

[blackhawk]

Savanna Bananas.