.304 and a Batting Champion?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Got it. A strikeout has a better chance of helping the situation faced.

Of course not what i argued. And any average ML hitter gets as many or more hits than strikeouts. So you're off base.

Also, a shit bunt can make two outs, while a K just makes one out. And the expectation of that double play happening when bunting with a man on 1st or bases loaded is almost as high as that of a strikeout, if swinging away.

The managers go where the facts take them.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Your capacity for selective reading is astounding. If he doesn't know how to bunt, OF COURSE it won't work.

He does know how to bunt. He is a good bunter, and one of the fastest players in the league. You are just not following.

Even the best bunters just should not bunt, except for when in one of a very narrow set of circumstances.

Because every single one of them is a better hitter than they are a bunter. That's how they got to MLB in the first place. The slappy little guys who reliably lay down bunts are riding the bench in AA.

The expectations are better if you just let MLB hitters swing.

And no, bunt drills every day are not going to change that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Statisticians?! LOL. WAR is not a statistic.

In what the rest of us call "reality", WAR is indeed a statistic.

And the statisticians employed by MLB owners use this statistic to create expectations and to find market inefficiencies, both to help guide their GMs' spending.

 

[rightwinger]

They used to show runs, hits, errors on the crawler. They now show runs only? Why? Such few hits its eembarrassing?

Pitchers are better than 1980 I suppose. No shame striking out 230 times per year. I get it. It's hard now.

I have seen Pitchers get amazingly better in my lifetime

Used to be rare to see a pitch over 100mph
Now, every team has several pitchers who consistently reach that speed

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I can promise all of you that Pat Murphy (Brewers) regrets giving away an out in the 5th inning of a 3 run game.

I can also promise all of you that Craig Counsell had a talk with PCA about not trying to bunt for hits, going forward.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I have seen Pitchers get amazingly better in my lifetime

Used to be rare to see a pitch over 100mph
Now, every team has several pitchers who consistently reach that speed

Yep.

Now try bunting one of those pitches.

PCA -- a very good bunter -- just about saw his season end last night, because of his ill-advised bunt attempt. 98+ mph running in on him, and, while adjusting to meet the ball, his fingers became exposed. As did his face, from a foul tip. He was about 1/4" or less from breaking one of those fingers.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How many bases reflects on your total offensive output

Okay, but again, "total offensive output" doesnt win games. Runs win games.

If you want runs produced look at RBIs and runs scored

No. Those are too dependent on the other hitters in the lineup to create well founded expectations or to measure past performance, when it comes to a hitter's ability to produce runs.

Surround Mike Trout with garbage, and Trout's run production will be garbage. That doesnt make Mike Trout garbage, right?

His OPS will better reflect his true potential to produce runs. wRC+? Even better.

 

[rightwinger]

Okay, but again, "total offensive output" doesnt win games. Runs win games.

Then look at RBIs
ACTUAL runs you drove in

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Then look at RBIs
ACTUAL runs you drove in

No, as that is too dependent on the other hitters in the lineup.

If you are a GM looking at a player, and you choose Player A over Player B because of RBIs without looking at OPS or wRC+, then you will not be a GM for very long.

 

[rightwinger]

No, as that is too dependent on the other hitters in the lineup.

If you are a GM looking at a player, and you choose Player A over Player B because of RBIs without looking at OPS or wRC+, then you will not be a GM for very long.

it is a team game
Over 162 games it will even out

 

[boilermaker55]

Bob Gibson's average number of pitches per game is estimated to be around 125-130, though the exact number is not readily available. This estimate is based on his high average of 7.36 innings pitched per game and his high pitch counts in individual games, especially his dominant 1968 season.

Everybody throws 100 now. Used to be a rarity.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Bob Gibson's average number of pitches per game is estimated to be around 125-130, though the exact number is not readily available. This estimate is based on his high average of 7.36 innings pitched per game and his high pitch counts in individual games, especially his dominant 1968 season.

he was talking about speed not pitches....

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

it is a team game
Over 162 games it will even out

Over 162 games it is actually magnified and made clear. If the guy hitting in front of Player A has an OPS of .850, and the guy hitting in front of Player B has an OPS of .700, 162 games would magnify the difference in RBIs by the players, vs. just 50 games, for example.

 

[todd down under]

Statisticians?! LOL. WAR is not a statistic.

Statistics are quantifiable and objective. WAR is a factors combination of one's choosing. Basically, a judgment of stats we've always looked at.

This. Wins Above Replacement is like building a bridge with specs from dozens of different people.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

This. Wins Above Replacement is like building a bridge with specs from dozens of different people.

Yes, you guys just both outsmarted every executive and statistician in professional baseball with your gut feelings.

Come on.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Of course not what i argued. And any average ML hitter gets as many or more hits than strikeouts. So you're off base.

Horseshit. Now you're just making shit up.

Also, a shit bunt can make two outs, while a K just makes one out. And the expectation of that double play happening when bunting with a man on 1st or bases loaded is almost as high as that of a strikeout, if swinging away.

Horse. Shit.

He does know how to bunt. He is a good bunter, and one of the fastest players in the league. You are just not following.

I am. You are, of course, selectively chopping quotes to change the meaning.

Even the best bunters just should not bunt, except for when in one of a very narrow set of circumstances.

Because every single one of them is a better hitter than they are a bunter. That's how they got to MLB in the first place. The slappy little guys who reliably lay down bunts are riding the bench in AA.

The expectations are better if you just let MLB hitters swing.

And no, bunt drills every day are not going to change that.

No matter how many times you regurgitate that, it's still bullshit.

Then look at RBIs
ACTUAL runs you drove in

No, that's stupid.

it is a team game
Over 162 games it will even out

No, that's even more stupid. Offhand, a leadoff hitter rarely has a lot of RBIs.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Horseshit. Now you're just making shit up.

Nope. It's a fact.

The average MLB in 2025 hitter hits .245 and has an OBP of .315 and strikes out 22% (.220) of the time.

Wanna start over?

I am.

You clearly are not. You said it's because they dont know how to bunt. That was incorrect and not germane to the point anyway, which I pointed out in detail.

That means you are not only not following, but your opinions are based on things that are false. Double whammy.

Horse. Shit.

The expectation of a bunt leading to a double play with bases loaded or a man on first is indeed close to the K expectation (22%). Last time I saw a stat on it, it was like 15%. If I can find a contemporary stat, I will post it.

No matter how many times you regurgitate that, it's still bullshit.

Which part, specifically? Use your words. Nobody will know what you are saying, if you dont use your words. Least of all, you.

Also keep in mind how wrong you have been so far, when it comes to the facts of the matter.

 

[john u]

Yes, you guys just both outsmarted every executive and statistician in professional baseball with your gut feelings.

Come on.

You mean like 2 of the 4 highest payrolls teams already out of the playoffs? And the highest payroll team that never even made the playoffs?

 

[john u]

Then look at RBIs
ACTUAL runs you drove in

These guys think that yards gained in football should take precedence over TDs and FGs.

 

[Jarlaxle]

(bullshit removed)

Stop chopping quotes. It is dishonest.