How the Founders weighed in on the importance to democracy of virtue.

[MisterBeale]

Gee, I wonder why your post ended up in the "flame zone?"

No idea what you are talking about.

 

[Mac1958]

George Washington said: “Virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government,”[6] and “Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people.”[7]

Benjamin Franklin said: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” [8]

James Madison stated: “To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical [imaginary] idea.”[9]

Thomas Jefferson wrote, “No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and … their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice … These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.”[10]

Samuel Adams said: “Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue.”[11]

Patrick Henry stated that: “A vitiated [impure] state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom.”[12]
Without Virtue There Can Be No Liberty - Mount Liberty College

It doesn't take much imagination to understand how they would view Stormy Daniels' paramour with the mushroom shaped unit. Or a soon to be sentenced felon. Or someone who famously admitted to grabbing women by the vagina whether they liked it or not. E. Jean Carroll didn't like it.

I could continue for some time but you get the gist. The Founders believed the health of our democracy relied on the participation of virtuous people. Not moral degenerates like Cheeto.

I never included such obvious traits as a fundamental degree of character, temperament, maturity and decency when thinking about what I absolutely require in an American President. Those are absolute minimum requirements. I just assumed it, so I never even thought about it.

I do now. But it sure looks to me like at least half the country doesn't hold those requirements.

And that's what I've learned about America since Escalator Day.

 

[hadit]

Can you name one from either party? If you give a name it's laughable.

IOW, you agree that there are very few politicians from either major party that exhibit virtue and character.

 

[The Duke]

Only children do not understand the context of history.

Ignorant Democrats and Commies don't either. Often dishonestly.

 

[Curried Goats]

I never included such obvious traits as a fundamental degree of character, temperament, maturity and decency when thinking about what I absolutely require in an American President. Those are absolute minimum requirements. I just assumed it, so I never thought about it.

I do now. But it sure looks to me like at least half the country doesn't hold those requirements.

And that's what I've learned about America since Escalator Day.

When you liken slavers to decency it really becomes apparent how you could remain clueless about who these MAGAts are for so long.....

 

[The Duke]

I do now. But it sure looks to me like at least half the country doesn't hold those requirements.

And that's what I've learned about America since Escalator Day.

Worst day of you life, Mac?
Or best payday you ever had?

 

[Curried Goats]

Only children do not understand the context of history.

What context will change the fact that they didn't see entire groups of people as people? That's just called ignorance my guy.

 

[MisterBeale]

Ignorant Democrats and Commies don't either. Often dishonestly.

So let me get this straight. . . you don't think Dems and Commies are children?

 

[MisterBeale]

What context will change the fact that they didn't see entire groups of people as people? That's just called ignorance my guy.

The context? The entire planet viewed entire groups and the poor as just capital to be controlled.

 

[Curried Goats]

The context? The entire planet viewed entire groups and the poor as just capital to be controlled.

That doesn't change the fact you moron, it only generalizes the ignorance.

 

[MisterBeale]

That doesn't change the fact you moron, it only generalizes the ignorance.

Here is the irony in your position.

If we reversed the context, and put you on to the planet in 1777, and told you, that you can choose any place on the planet to live, and thus, your descendants through time. . . I would bet, given this, (if you are as smart as I believe you to be. . . and if you were honest, which all here know you are not,) you would unquestionably choose the new United States to live.

Top 10 Black Billionaires: Richest Black People in the World (2025) - TalkAfricana

Aliko Dangote is a Nigerian businessman and philanthropist who according to Forbes, tops the list of richest black people in the world.

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https://www.fastcompany.com/90845845/the-untold-history-of-black-wealth-in-america

How Many Black Millionaires Are There in America? The Surging Growth of Black Wealth - Marketing Scoop

Uncover the answer to the question “how many black millionaires in America?” and discover a promising sign of financial empowerment and social advancement in the country.

www.marketingscoop.com

 

[Curried Goats]

Here is the irony in your position.

If we reversed the context, and put you on to the planet in 1777, and told you, that you can choose any place on the planet to live, and thus, your descendants through time. . . I would bet, given this, (if you are as smart as I believe you to be. . . and if you were honest, which all here know you are not,) you would unquestionably choose the new United States to live.

Top 10 Black Billionaires: Richest Black People in the World (2025) - TalkAfricana

Aliko Dangote is a Nigerian businessman and philanthropist who according to Forbes, tops the list of richest black people in the world.

talkafricana.com

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Uncover the answer to the question “how many black millionaires in America?” and discover a promising sign of financial empowerment and social advancement in the country.

www.marketingscoop.com

I love how your argument is based on fantasy, rather than rationality and still you're not self aware enough to keep it to yourself.

 

[berg80]

There was no virtuosity in the stench that the reprobate O brought to the office. Just a stain on this country. Abominable.

That gratuitous attack was a little too vague. Who is "O?"

 

[berg80]

No idea what you are talking about.

Not my problem.

 

[berg80]

And that's what I've learned about America since Escalator Day.

Right. Cuz the Founder's quotes have as much or more to do with we the people than the country's leaders.

Here's a headline that will never appear after Dotard mercifully passes.

Jimmy Carter Is Remembered for His Integrity and Humanitarian Accomplishments​

Jimmy Carter Funeral Live Updates and Video: Nation Mourns and Honors 39th President

President Biden, one of the five living presidents attending the State Funeral, remembered Mr. Carter for his “character, character, character.” Mr. Carter’s grandson, Jason, said his grandfather “led this nation with love and respect.”

www.nytimes.com

 

[whitehall]

WTF is this? A lecture about morality from the left? You gotta be kidding.

 

[MisterBeale]

Not my problem.

Agreed. We both have a sense that no one gives a crap what the hell you are ever going on about when you post.

 

[MisterBeale]

I love how your argument is based on fantasy, rather than rationality and still you're not self aware enough to keep it to yourself.

I guess you win!

 

[Curried Goats]

I guess you win!

I do win. You let me win by coming at me with these emotionally frail fantasies as arguments. None of my ancestors were even enslaved in America. My family is from Jamaica, moron.

 

[theHawk]

Only Dems are gay?

RINOs are.

Real conservatives do not promote homosexuality. It’s an abomination in the eyes of God.